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03/04/2009 04:05:07 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
... So we are still proceeding with 8 consecutive weeks of the same format. ... |
Messed up your code, eh? :-) |
Not at all.. just being consistent. :) |
Well, last weeks opens that just finished were Advanced instead of Basic, and allowed 720 instead of 640. Got thru that one ok didn't we? |
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03/04/2009 04:07:06 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
... So we are still proceeding with 8 consecutive weeks of the same format. ... |
Messed up your code, eh? :-) |
Not at all.. just being consistent. :) |
Well, last weeks opens that just finished were Advanced instead of Basic, and allowed 720 instead of 640. Got thru that one ok didn't we? |
Yep, but not relevant. |
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03/04/2009 04:09:12 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Judi:
So that is what this is boiling down to. If a challenge isn't seen as fair because you are put at a disadvantage, then it shouldn't count. But what if you were one of those 'experienced' photographers with 1000's of images to choose from? Would you be annoyed if someone tried to exclude the challenge from counting simply because they didn't want to go up against someone that has taken more images?
It only takes one image to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
So are you saying that if a person has 1000s of images to choose from then that person looses the ability to determine what is and is not fair?
Personally I would be happy to make things fair regardless of how many images I have to choose from.
We could draw from the game of golf here in which the handycap system is in place to make games more enjoyable and fair and not give a distinct advantage to the more experienced players |
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03/04/2009 04:12:40 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
... I was just giving my opinion and that opinion is still that I would prefer not to have a FS count ... |
Hmmm. Missed that part. So that's the issue for you - you're afraid of some stiff competition? :-D |
Whilst I have had some success in the open challenges, a 2nd and a top 10 finish, I have found the free studies to be considerably more dificult to do well in, therefore introducing a free study into the DPCO gives, IMO, an advantage to those very experienced photographers.
You can argue that they have an advantage anyway but I can get reasonable sucess in open challenges where the topic is specific but I can't even get close in the FS |
So that is what this is boiling down to. If a challenge isn't seen as fair because you are put at a disadvantage, then it shouldn't count. But what if you were one of those 'experienced' photographers with 1000's of images to choose from? Would you be annoyed if someone tried to exclude the challenge from counting simply because they didn't want to go up against someone that has taken more images?
It only takes one image to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Not sure if this is just an argument for arugment's sake between you two, but for the record it has nothing to do with why this week is a bye. |
Well according to your reasons.....they are unjustified. There is one challenge....I mean how are you going to put a Free Study into two challenges...they would be identical...so it is simpler to give everyone a go at doing Free Studies....non members have been wanting that for some time...and Langdon has granted that...! So that is your first point ruled out.
Your second point is useless as you state...they MIGHT extend the voting time....but they haven't yet. So you have no ground for withdrawing this challenge from the DPC scoring based on this reason.
And this challenge is no different to any other challenge...people have a choice what they will enter....they still have one week voting and it is still within the DPC rules....so according to this....my reasoning for why it is unfair to withdraw this challenge still stands.
But then again...I don't see the point in trying to explain anything to you....you won't listen to anyone elses views.
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
This challenge is different from the rest for two reasons:
1. There is only one challenge instead of two -- and just because it's a free study doesn't negate that fact.
2. It has been put forth that the voting period might be extended to allow for more votes. This too would be a major difference from the DPCO format.
So we are still proceeding with 8 consecutive weeks of the same format. Since this week's challenge is not of that format, then it only makes sense to skip it. |
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03/04/2009 04:14:06 PM · #30 |
Look...all I can say to all the ridiculous....'he got a red lolly....but I got a blue lolly...no fair' style arguments is....if you don't like the rules...don't play the game. Go elsewhere and play with your toys!
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03/04/2009 04:16:22 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Look...all I can say to all the ridiculous....'[i]he got a red lolly....but I got a blue lolly...no fair' style arguments is....if you don't like the rules...don't play the game. Go elsewhere and play with your toys! |
So tempted to enter a pic of a lolly now lol...
Lets just agree to disagree yeah.
I will be entering a pic and if it counts or not it won't actually affect my life so hey.
Can we be friends now?
Message edited by author 2009-03-04 16:16:41. |
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03/04/2009 04:19:08 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by Judi:
Look...all I can say to all the ridiculous....'[i]he got a red lolly....but I got a blue lolly...no fair' style arguments is....if you don't like the rules...don't play the game. Go elsewhere and play with your toys! |
So tempted to enter a pic of a lolly now lol...
Lets just agree to disagree yeah.
I will be entering a pic and if it counts or not it won't actually affect my life so hey.
Can we be friends now? |
Sure....I have no worries with arguing over subjects. And agreeing to disagreeing is a mature way to handle it...rather than some people who just don't see anyone elses reasonings and just argue for the sake of either their own pride...or just arguing.
So cheers mate....(shakes hand)!
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03/04/2009 04:19:42 PM · #33 |
I̢۪m not in a DPCO team so I suppose my opinion counts for squat!! but from the outside it appears that some of you are taking this a wee bit serious, isn̢۪t the whole idea of DPCO to encourage more participation? I thought more participation is what  Langdon is trying to achieve with the 1000th challenge?
It amazes me how competition can bring out the worst in people. Lighten up and enter the challenge!!! Who cares if it counts to your little side challenge, it really doesn̢۪t matter in the whole scope of things.
Message edited by author 2009-03-04 16:20:48. |
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03/04/2009 04:20:09 PM · #34 |
[i]Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by Judi:
Look...all I can say to all the ridiculous....'[i]he got a red lolly....but I got a blue lolly...no fair' style arguments is....if you don't like the rules...don't play the game. Go elsewhere and play with your toys! |
So tempted to enter a pic of a lolly now lol...
Lets just agree to disagree yeah.
I will be entering a pic and if it counts or not it won't actually affect my life so hey.
Can we be friends now? |
Sure....I have no worries with arguing over subjects. And agreeing to disagreeing is a mature way to handle it...rather than some people who just don't see anyone elses reasonings and just argue for the sake of either their own pride...or just arguing.
So cheers mate....(shakes hand)! |
Shake right back at you and the bst of luck with the challenge
Will...
Message edited by author 2009-03-04 16:22:55. |
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03/04/2009 04:21:59 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
... I was just giving my opinion and that opinion is still that I would prefer not to have a FS count ... |
Hmmm. Missed that part. So that's the issue for you - you're afraid of some stiff competition? :-D |
Whilst I have had some success in the open challenges, a 2nd and a top 10 finish, I have found the free studies to be considerably more dificult to do well in, therefore introducing a free study into the DPCO gives, IMO, an advantage to those very experienced photographers.
You can argue that they have an advantage anyway but I can get reasonable sucess in open challenges where the topic is specific but I can't even get close in the FS |
So that is what this is boiling down to. If a challenge isn't seen as fair because you are put at a disadvantage, then it shouldn't count. But what if you were one of those 'experienced' photographers with 1000's of images to choose from? Would you be annoyed if someone tried to exclude the challenge from counting simply because they didn't want to go up against someone that has taken more images?
It only takes one image to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Not sure if this is just an argument for arugment's sake between you two, but for the record it has nothing to do with why this week is a bye. |
Well according to your reasons.....they are unjustified. There is one challenge....I mean how are you going to put a Free Study into two challenges...they would be identical...so it is simpler to give everyone a go at doing Free Studies....non members have been wanting that for some time...and Langdon has granted that...! So that is your first point ruled out.
Your second point is useless as you state...they MIGHT extend the voting time....but they haven't yet. So you have no ground for withdrawing this challenge from the DPC scoring based on this reason.
And this challenge is no different to any other challenge...people have a choice what they will enter....they still have one week voting and it is still within the DPC rules....so according to this....my reasoning for why it is unfair to withdraw this challenge still stands.
But then again...I don't see the point in trying to explain anything to you....you won't listen to anyone elses views.
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
This challenge is different from the rest for two reasons:
1. There is only one challenge instead of two -- and just because it's a free study doesn't negate that fact.
2. It has been put forth that the voting period might be extended to allow for more votes. This too would be a major difference from the DPCO format.
So we are still proceeding with 8 consecutive weeks of the same format. Since this week's challenge is not of that format, then it only makes sense to skip it. |
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You've not ruled out a single reason at all.
You don't like the decision I made, fine. You don't understand the reasons, fine. But don't throw a tantrum over it.
Joe already said the regular DPCO would count, so that's cool -- you'll still get your score counted there. Have fun! |
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03/04/2009 04:22:16 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
I̢۪m not in a DPCO team so I suppose my opinion counts for squat!! but from the outside it appears that some of you are taking this a wee bit serious, isn̢۪t the whole idea of DPCO to encourage more participation? I thought more participation is what Langdon is trying to achieve with the 1000th challenge?
It amazes me how competition can bring out the worst in people. Lighten up and enter the challenge!!! Who cares if it counts to your little side challenge, it really doesn̢۪t matter in the whole scope of things. |
Very well said! |
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03/04/2009 04:24:07 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Judi:
...rather than some people who just don't see anyone elses reasonings and just argue for the sake of either their own pride...or just arguing. |
Wow... you are immature, aren't you?
Or perhaps just looking in the mirror as you typed that.
Perhaps a little self-esteem should be coming you way. |
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03/04/2009 04:25:11 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
You've not ruled out a single reason at all.
You don't like the decision I made, fine. You don't understand the reasons, fine. But don't throw a tantrum over it.
Joe already said the regular DPCO would count, so that's cool -- you'll still get your score counted there. Have fun! |
I am certainly not throwing a tantrum MATE! Now take your blue lolly and go suck on it!
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03/04/2009 04:30:09 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
In honor of the special 1000th challenge and to encourage everyone to freely participate with their best shot from years past The DPC Olympics IV - Alternate Scoring will NOT include this challenge in the competition.
Effectively, there will be a week hiatus.
I'm not sure if the regular DPCO (or other competitive side-challenges) will also take this week off and encourage them do so, but if they do not, then we will be a week out of synch.
Scores from week#2 will be posted shortly in the regular thread.
Thanks! |
I have not read all of the other posts yet as I really dont like arguments and I am sure there are some but I totally like this idea. I think it is very wise.
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03/04/2009 04:31:03 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
You've not ruled out a single reason at all.
You don't like the decision I made, fine. You don't understand the reasons, fine. But don't throw a tantrum over it.
Joe already said the regular DPCO would count, so that's cool -- you'll still get your score counted there. Have fun! |
I am certainly not throwing a tantrum MATE! Now take your blue lolly and go suck on it! |
Sure appears that way.
And did you ever, once consider, that I DID think on the things you suggested and STILL disagreed? You didn't change your mind to agree with my point of view either, did you? Why not? Are you as pigheaded as you're claiming I am? |
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03/04/2009 04:33:39 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
You've not ruled out a single reason at all.
You don't like the decision I made, fine. You don't understand the reasons, fine. But don't throw a tantrum over it.
Joe already said the regular DPCO would count, so that's cool -- you'll still get your score counted there. Have fun! |
I am certainly not throwing a tantrum MATE! Now take your blue lolly and go suck on it! |
Sure appears that way.
And did you ever, once consider, that I DID think on the things you suggested and STILL disagreed? You didn't change your mind to agree with my point of view either, did you? Why not? Are you as pigheaded as you're claiming I am? |
YUP!
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03/04/2009 04:38:07 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
You've not ruled out a single reason at all.
You don't like the decision I made, fine. You don't understand the reasons, fine. But don't throw a tantrum over it.
Joe already said the regular DPCO would count, so that's cool -- you'll still get your score counted there. Have fun! |
I am certainly not throwing a tantrum MATE! Now take your blue lolly and go suck on it! |
Sure appears that way.
And did you ever, once consider, that I DID think on the things you suggested and STILL disagreed? You didn't change your mind to agree with my point of view either, did you? Why not? Are you as pigheaded as you're claiming I am? |
YUP! |
Then I will agree you're pigheaded and you can agree that I'm pigheaded, fair enough? :)
Message edited by author 2009-03-04 16:38:20. |
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03/04/2009 04:38:44 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
You've not ruled out a single reason at all.
You don't like the decision I made, fine. You don't understand the reasons, fine. But don't throw a tantrum over it.
Joe already said the regular DPCO would count, so that's cool -- you'll still get your score counted there. Have fun! |
I am certainly not throwing a tantrum MATE! Now take your blue lolly and go suck on it! |
Sure appears that way.
And did you ever, once consider, that I DID think on the things you suggested and STILL disagreed? You didn't change your mind to agree with my point of view either, did you? Why not? Are you as pigheaded as you're claiming I am? |
YUP! |
Then I will agree you're pigheaded and you can agree that I'm pigheaded, fair enough? :) |
YUP!
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03/04/2009 07:31:00 PM · #44 |
So,just to summarize...
Hawkeye is NOT counting the Gem challenge but the regular DPCO scoring will? Even though this is supposed to be the "alternate" scoring of the tournament, it is simply going to ignore one week of results? OK...sure.
The reason for that is because the participants cannot chose from two different challenges this week? Because they can only enter one challenge where they can enter any photo they have ever taken, which is limiting their choices? Ok...sure.
And finally, it is because the "experienced" photographers will have an unfair advantage because they could pick one of many more photos from way back when before they were any good and use one of those in this challenge? Even though this alternative scoring is based on being vs your most recent 10 week average...which negates any advantage for experienced photographers over newbies? (and in my case personally if handicaps me even more because I had a fluky good run coming into this challenge so my avg for this scoring is like 6.2 even though my real DPC avg is only 5.8) Ok...sure.
Makes total sense....(yes, that is sarcasm dripping off the words....) |
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03/04/2009 07:36:52 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
So,just to summarize...
Hawkeye is NOT counting the Gem challenge but the regular DPCO scoring will? Even though this is supposed to be the "alternate" scoring of the tournament, it is simply going to ignore one week of results? OK...sure.
The reason for that is because the participants cannot chose from two different challenges this week? Because they can only enter one challenge where they can enter any photo they have ever taken, which is limiting their choices? Ok...sure.
And finally, it is because the "experienced" photographers will have an unfair advantage because they could pick one of many more photos from way back when before they were any good and use one of those in this challenge? Even though this alternative scoring is based on being vs your most recent 10 week average...which negates any advantage for experienced photographers over newbies? (and in my case personally if handicaps me even more because I had a fluky good run coming into this challenge so my avg for this scoring is like 6.2 even though my real DPC avg is only 5.8) Ok...sure.
Makes total sense....(yes, that is sarcasm dripping off the words....) |
He He He |
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03/04/2009 07:40:25 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
So,just to summarize...
Hawkeye is NOT counting the Gem challenge but the regular DPCO scoring will? Even though this is supposed to be the "alternate" scoring of the tournament, it is simply going to ignore one week of results? OK...sure.
The reason for that is because the participants cannot chose from two different challenges this week? Because they can only enter one challenge where they can enter any photo they have ever taken, which is limiting their choices? Ok...sure.
And finally, it is because the "experienced" photographers will have an unfair advantage because they could pick one of many more photos from way back when before they were any good and use one of those in this challenge? Even though this alternative scoring is based on being vs your most recent 10 week average...which negates any advantage for experienced photographers over newbies? (and in my case personally if handicaps me even more because I had a fluky good run coming into this challenge so my avg for this scoring is like 6.2 even though my real DPC avg is only 5.8) Ok...sure.
Makes total sense....(yes, that is sarcasm dripping off the words....) |
So,just to summarize...from my point of view:
You are all getting your knickers in knots over nothing!!! Either enter the challenge and support Langdon in trying to have this a record breaking challenge or you can get caught up in your own little side challenge competition with all its controversy.
Does it really matter who scores what and how they score it? isn't this side challenge about participation and having fun? â€Â¦ like I said earlier, competition can bring out the worst in people.
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03/04/2009 07:53:12 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
You are all getting your knickers in knots over nothing!!! Either enter the challenge and support Langdon in trying to have this a record breaking challenge or you can get caught up in your own little side challenge competition with all its controversy.
Does it really matter who scores what and how they score it? isn't this side challenge about participation and having fun? â€Â¦ like I said earlier, competition can bring out the worst in people. |
So then let the side challenge run it's natural course of 8 consecutive weeks by including this challenge, participate in the momentous occasion of the 1000th challenge and get on with life. Why get all upset and throw a hissy fit and say "this one shouldn't count because of....."?
I am sick and tired of Hawkeye trying to run DPC the way his particular views and values lead him to believe. The bottom line is that if you just allow people like that to run all over you and just ignore it, they only get bolder and more overbearing. That is the reason I am standing up and making my voice heard. |
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03/04/2009 07:56:39 PM · #48 |
Hawk, with all due respect it is a ridicules idea to ignore it.
YOU decided to run this side alternative to the DPCO, so you should RUN it like it is supposed to be.
This week counts towards our scores in the DPCO , so should yours.
It is the logical thing to do, or just pull it and don't do it. It is a simple choice.
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03/04/2009 07:57:16 PM · #49 |
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03/04/2009 08:10:46 PM · #50 |
i have a few things to say.
1) Originally posted by basssman7:
umm...why?
When we signd up for the DPCO we signed up for 8 consecutive weeks. No one expected to be able to pick and chose which weeks will count based on whether they like the challenges or not.
What would ever make you think that excluding the 1000th competition would be "honouring" the occasion? If you ask me it is a major insult! |
2) why is there some sort of alternative scoring method that essentially has nothing to do with anything ?
3) why does anyone care that the one in charge of the alternative scoring method decides not to use the upcoming challenge in his data ?
4) if anyone that complained in this thread has read the admin post about this challenge they should shut up !
Message edited by author 2009-03-04 20:13:48.
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