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03/01/2009 07:04:20 PM · #101 |
Hey Wendy that sucks. I am no computer geek. However, I always use the save as, plus name change or file type change. I have had several images checked recently with no problems. Are you sure this is the reason as I too have a good score running and used the save as function after messing with the original? Arrrgh!
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Views: 334
Avg Vote: 6.6224
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Updated: 03/01/09 06:55 pm
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03/01/2009 07:12:30 PM · #102 |
Yup, I'm sure. I played around with it for about 3 hours when I got the message that it wasn't the original. If you are using photoshop elements, and add an adjustment layer, or something that turns it from a jpg to a photoshop file type, even if you do a Save As, it adds photoshops metadata file information into the header of the original. The bizarre thing is it keeps the modified date the same as the original download time, but it changes the creation date and has the photoshop header in the code. My husband brought the file into LINUX and looked at the code to see this. Sometimes Elements did this on a Save As on strictly jpg changes as well, but most of the time it didn't. It is not something that I will ever trust again. From now on, the files are dragged directly from the card reader to my extra drive, and then taken off the card reader again and brought into photoshop.
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03/01/2009 10:01:20 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Okay, that was my last update on my shot--It's been disqualified. It's been pending for the last 3 days, and I was completely floored. I've been trying desperately hard to understand the editing rules, but I thought keeping the original was a no-brainer! Obviously, you go into the program and make sure you never save over the original--do a Save As.
NOPE!
I had no idea that the Save As actually changes the original as well. It's crushing to find this out the hard way on a picture that I believe would have made the top 10.
good luck everyone. |
Wendy, that sucks. Unfortunately even if you use "save as" you are copying over the original unless you change the name of the file.
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03/01/2009 10:08:49 PM · #104 |
Oh Wendy, I'm so disappointed for you. It would have been a PB for you for a long way - you must be crushed!
Don't let it discourage you though - you got a high six once, you can do it again! |
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03/01/2009 10:24:58 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Okay, that was my last update on my shot--It's been disqualified. It's been pending for the last 3 days, and I was completely floored. I've been trying desperately hard to understand the editing rules, but I thought keeping the original was a no-brainer! Obviously, you go into the program and make sure you never save over the original--do a Save As.
NOPE!
I had no idea that the Save As actually changes the original as well. It's crushing to find this out the hard way on a picture that I believe would have made the top 10.
good luck everyone. |
Wendy, that sucks. Unfortunately even if you use "save as" you are copying over the original unless you change the name of the file. |
That's the stupid thing about it--I did a Save As, I gave the file a new name, but it appends the photoshop header to the original file. I'm using Elements 6, and my husband figured I did something stupid, and accidentally saved without remembering. Wasn't the case. We worked for 3 hours that night trying to figure out what happened. Because I have photoshop automatically save it with a new name (name + edited 1, name + edited 2, etc.) We proved that elements will in fact change the original, even if you do a Save As with a new name. It doesn't change the modified date--as far as it is concerned, the file hasn't been modified. But it does change the creation date, and it does add the photoshop metadata header into the code. So now you have a creation date after the modification date, and it says that it has been modified by photoshop elements.
I wanted to put comments on the picture to explain what happened and to explain the white background (which is why I assume it was challenged), but the photo is gone. Is it put back up after the challenge? In other challenges, it shows which photos have been dq'd...
edited to add: Thanks for the encouragement, Lonni, I was crushed, because I thought I had done everything right, and I really loved the shot. I'm getting over it, but I'm scared to death of the picture I entered tonight (in light on white). Did the copying the file directly work the way it was supposed to? Did I do the editing right? and so on--which is funny, because this one won't do nearly as well. I don't even know if this one will hit my usual average.
Ah well, live and learn!
Message edited by author 2009-03-01 22:27:14. |
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03/01/2009 10:26:25 PM · #106 |
Bad luck VA
I am sure you will have an amazing shot coming along and beating that score very soon! |
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03/01/2009 10:34:54 PM · #107 |
| I'm scared to death of validations in general. I know that the rules need to be strict to protect the process, but I'm always terrified that I've accidently done something wrong! |
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03/01/2009 11:25:59 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Okay, that was my last update on my shot--It's been disqualified. It's been pending for the last 3 days, and I was completely floored. I've been trying desperately hard to understand the editing rules, but I thought keeping the original was a no-brainer! Obviously, you go into the program and make sure you never save over the original--do a Save As.
NOPE!
I had no idea that the Save As actually changes the original as well. It's crushing to find this out the hard way on a picture that I believe would have made the top 10.
good luck everyone. |
Wendy, that sucks. Unfortunately even if you use "save as" you are copying over the original unless you change the name of the file. |
That's the stupid thing about it--I did a Save As, I gave the file a new name, but it appends the photoshop header to the original file. I'm using Elements 6, and my husband figured I did something stupid, and accidentally saved without remembering. Wasn't the case. We worked for 3 hours that night trying to figure out what happened. Because I have photoshop automatically save it with a new name (name + edited 1, name + edited 2, etc.) We proved that elements will in fact change the original, even if you do a Save As with a new name. It doesn't change the modified date--as far as it is concerned, the file hasn't been modified. But it does change the creation date, and it does add the photoshop metadata header into the code. So now you have a creation date after the modification date, and it says that it has been modified by photoshop elements.
I wanted to put comments on the picture to explain what happened and to explain the white background (which is why I assume it was challenged), but the photo is gone. Is it put back up after the challenge? In other challenges, it shows which photos have been dq'd...
Ah well, live and learn! |
I have been using PS and also PS elements for many years and have never seen that happen. What is your process for getting the photo from the camera onto your computer? I suspect that might be where your problem lies. If you use any batch import commands it will write to your file.(some programs have a command available to take the photos off the camera and put them in a folder of your choice..but since it is done through a program it adds exif to the file) The only safe way to do it is to actually open the folder on your card and copy the contents, and then paste them into a new folder on the computer.
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03/01/2009 11:28:16 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wanted to put comments on the picture to explain what happened and to explain the white background (which is why I assume it was challenged), but the photo is gone. Is it put back up after the challenge? In other challenges, it shows which photos have been dq'd...
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It has disappeared because it is no longer available for voting. I think you will find that it will pop back up again after voting is over, then you can add your explanation. :)
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03/02/2009 02:58:06 AM · #110 |
At 200 votes
Votes: 201
Views: 329
Avg Vote: 5.9900
Comments: 4
Finally slipped below 6
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03/02/2009 08:21:32 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Okay, that was my last update on my shot--It's been disqualified. It's been pending for the last 3 days, and I was completely floored. I've been trying desperately hard to understand the editing rules, but I thought keeping the original was a no-brainer! Obviously, you go into the program and make sure you never save over the original--do a Save As.
NOPE!
I had no idea that the Save As actually changes the original as well. It's crushing to find this out the hard way on a picture that I believe would have made the top 10.
good luck everyone. |
Wendy, that sucks. Unfortunately even if you use "save as" you are copying over the original unless you change the name of the file. |
That's the stupid thing about it--I did a Save As, I gave the file a new name, but it appends the photoshop header to the original file. I'm using Elements 6, and my husband figured I did something stupid, and accidentally saved without remembering. Wasn't the case. We worked for 3 hours that night trying to figure out what happened. Because I have photoshop automatically save it with a new name (name + edited 1, name + edited 2, etc.) We proved that elements will in fact change the original, even if you do a Save As with a new name. It doesn't change the modified date--as far as it is concerned, the file hasn't been modified. But it does change the creation date, and it does add the photoshop metadata header into the code. So now you have a creation date after the modification date, and it says that it has been modified by photoshop elements.
I wanted to put comments on the picture to explain what happened and to explain the white background (which is why I assume it was challenged), but the photo is gone. Is it put back up after the challenge? In other challenges, it shows which photos have been dq'd...
Ah well, live and learn! |
I have been using PS and also PS elements for many years and have never seen that happen. What is your process for getting the photo from the camera onto your computer? I suspect that might be where your problem lies. If you use any batch import commands it will write to your file.(some programs have a command available to take the photos off the camera and put them in a folder of your choice..but since it is done through a program it adds exif to the file) The only safe way to do it is to actually open the folder on your card and copy the contents, and then paste them into a new folder on the computer. |
that's the strange thing--I figured that many people are using elements, yet I hadn't heard of this. I use organizer to get the photos directly from the card. We did many trials after the fact to see what changed and what didn't. The organizer didn't change anything. My other theory is that I'm telling it to save in a version set, so that it automatically renames the file each time. When I thought about it, it seemed to make sense that when you told it to save a version set that it would tag the original as well. But when we were doing trials to see what happened, even removing that didn't make a difference. I was able to reproduce the problem with new files though. I just wanted to let people know to not trust Photoshops save as, and that, as you mentioned, just move the files over and make a copy.
thanks for your input on things. Good luck with your score! (and congrats on your calendar entry) |
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03/02/2009 11:48:56 AM · #112 |
Lots of votes on this one. Lost my 6 but gained a fave:
Votes: 203
Views: 323
Avg Vote: 5.9655
Comments: 5
Favorites: 1
 vawendy, sorry about your DQ. Do you shoot RAW? Except for Minimal Editing challenges (which must be shot in JPG) I always shoot RAW for challenges, if only to be sure I can't possible alter my original! |
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03/03/2009 03:06:21 AM · #113 |
Score has very much stagnated and is not very impressive but I have 7 lovely comments which is very encouraging considering I went for an 'alternative' shot on this one. Thanks, P.
Votes: 227
Views: 392
Avg Vote: 5.3524
Comments: 7
PS - Also really sorry to read about your DQ, I could almost sense your excitement about how well your pic was doing. It must be a real blow but console yourself with the fact you've done it once you can do it again! All the best.
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03/03/2009 04:36:20 AM · #114 |
Votes: 231
Views: 640
Avg Vote: 6.1169
Comments: 9
This is only my 2nd submission but is it normal to have big difference between views and votes? Anyway i seem to be in ok shape so far!
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03/03/2009 05:06:04 AM · #115 |
Votes: 225
Views: 346
Avg Vote: 6.1022
Comments: 7
Favorites: 2
Hi Tim,
If you have a tempting thumbnail (e.g. hot girl, something spectacular etc.) - then lot's of people will take a look. Take it as a compliment!
D. |
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03/03/2009 05:17:33 AM · #116 |
| That explains alot, heheh. |
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03/03/2009 09:56:32 PM · #117 |
careful.....some asshat just gave me a 1! Dropped me from a 7.284 to
Votes: 255
Views: 569
Avg Vote: 7.2588
Comments: 14
Favorites: 3
The scrubber had better get that. pisses me off...my PB is 7.290 and I was getting close...now I am not. :(
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03/03/2009 10:03:32 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
careful.....some asshat just gave me a 1! Dropped me from a 7.284 to
Votes: 255
Views: 569
Avg Vote: 7.2588
Comments: 14
Favorites: 3
The scrubber had better get that. pisses me off...my PB is 7.290 and I was getting close...now I am not. :( |
Wasn't me. I just voted but did not give lower than a 3...
You have rated 192 of 192 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 6 images (3%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.4219.
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03/03/2009 10:25:40 PM · #119 |
You get a little sick of this after a while
I was at 6.3986 then in the last 2 hours have dropped to 6.1
f(*&^&%^%$$^ trolls, you just want to push your score higher. You suck
edited to add. I am really tired and pissed off right now, so if my tone was not good, I would apologize if I meant it
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03/03/2009 10:40:59 PM · #120 |
They may have shifted your points over to mine, Juliet. LOL!
I've been down around the 6.2 range most of the day, and this afternoon and evening it has climbed to 6.3480..
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03/03/2009 10:44:36 PM · #121 |
| ugh, how come everyone else seems to have awesome scores except me. meh:`( |
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03/03/2009 11:10:45 PM · #122 |
| *sniff* I miss being here! I wish mine wasn't dq'd... |
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03/03/2009 11:55:25 PM · #123 |
Stats: You have rated 192 of 192 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 25 images (13%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.1354.
Basically, I commented all the bads and some goods. I believe it is important to tell why you don't like a photo and give some advice as to how you score it better. |
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03/04/2009 03:28:27 AM · #124 |
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
They may have shifted your points over to mine, Juliet. LOL!
I've been down around the 6.2 range most of the day, and this afternoon and evening it has climbed to 6.3480.. |
Sorry folks. I was mistaken. That score is for my Free Study entry. I had two entries displayed on the home page and I confused one with the other.
My Action submission ended up at 5.817.
Message edited by author 2009-03-04 03:29:43.
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03/04/2009 10:11:30 AM · #125 |
| I'm a little upset by the sudden last minute drop in my score. Went from 6.11 to 5.97. Ah well. At least its a better average than my previous one. |
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