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02/23/2009 12:40:23 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
Originally posted by cytoxan:
I took the title to mean "puzzling in nature" as in mother nature. Like if you took a picture of a 2 headed calf. DO you think that's stretching it a little. Another thing I noticed is that you can go up to 720 pixels under the advanced editing rules but I did mine to 640. Are people ussually strict when voting about these things. This will be my 2nd challenge and first in advanced editing so I am still learning. I'd hate to have to change my image tonight because I really liked the way it came out. |
I would imagine there will be a small number of people that don't think your entry fits the challenge because of this interpretation, but you can't please those guys no matter what you do so don't sweat it.
On the size issue, some people are very strict about it (well, just me as far as I can tell). If you enter an advanced challenge with the longest side at 640px you won't get anything higher than a 3 from me. You're just shooting yourself in the foot by not using all of those extra pixels, and it's a big step backward in the quest for even larger submission sizes being allowed. But hey, don't sweat that either (much to my chagrin). The current blue ribbon in Post-It Note is only 640 too. |
WOW, the challenge does say at least 160, but no more than 720. So it is within the rules and you would give a great photo a 3 only becuase it's at 640. Seems harsh. |
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02/23/2009 12:41:48 PM · #27 |
| What seems fair to some seems harsh to others. Welcome to DPC voting. :) |
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02/23/2009 12:53:01 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
... On the size issue, some people are very strict about it (well, just me as far as I can tell). If you enter an advanced challenge with the longest side at 640px you won't get anything higher than a 3 from me. You're just shooting yourself in the foot by not using all of those extra pixels, and it's a big step backward in the quest for even larger submission sizes being allowed. But hey, don't sweat that either (much to my chagrin). The current blue ribbon in Post-It Note is only 640 too. |
EXACTLY one of the reasons I hope DPC never goes larger than 720 for challenge entries (penalizing those that don't want to post images at > 720 pixels).
Message edited by author 2009-02-23 12:54:35. |
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02/23/2009 12:59:44 PM · #29 |
| Hey, I'm just one guy. I can't hurt your score that much. :) |
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02/23/2009 01:01:49 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
Hey, I'm just one guy. I can't hurt your score that much. :) |
If there is one I'm sure there are more. I might resize mine now. Hopefully I'm worthy of more than a 3 at 720 px's? LOL Who knows. |
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02/23/2009 01:11:07 PM · #31 |
| If you do end up entering a 720 version, let me thank you in advance. If you don't mind my asking, why did you make it 640 in the first place? I'm baffled by why anyone would choose to enter an image that much smaller than the max. Before anyone jumps on me, I do understand the motivation to make a minor decrease in size to help out with massive compression issues at 200k (but I've yet to see an example where I like the smaller image better). Sorry to hijack the thread. I already have a size related rant that generated very little interest (here), so I'll stop now. |
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02/23/2009 01:13:00 PM · #32 |
| He probably chose 640 because that's the size Open Challenges normally are under the basic editing rule set. |
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02/23/2009 01:21:50 PM · #33 |
Seems likely. I'm proud of  cytoxan for jumping in here and asking questions. That's the way to learn and grow. Honestly, a lot of junk ends up in the challenges due to 1st or 2nd time submitters that forgot to do some learning before submitting. |
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02/23/2009 01:24:11 PM · #34 |
I chose the 640 for the post it because I am used to it from before I became a member and did only basic editing rules. I dont say now "Oooo advanced editing? Let me enter a 720 this time". I just dont really think about it. I will try to make it bigger in the future if its a big issue tho.
Message edited by author 2009-02-23 13:24:49.
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02/23/2009 01:33:39 PM · #35 |
Thanks for jumping in, Agnes. I find it so interesting to see different people's takes on the same thing. For me, I enter an advanced editing challenge and say to myself "Thank jebus I can use 720 for this one." It just seems counter intuitive to me to not do everything in my power to make my image as view-worthy as possible.
Obviously it wasn't a big enough issue for you this time to not get the blue, so I would suspect that not many people vote the way I do. |
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02/23/2009 01:52:38 PM · #36 |
| I'm new what does the flag mean? |
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02/23/2009 01:53:58 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by rodfulk:
I'm new what does the flag mean? |
The flag indicates that there is an exception to the rules this week. Normally Open Challenges are run under the Basic Editing rule set. This week, both Open Challenges are being under the Advanced Editing rule set. |
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02/23/2009 01:55:38 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
If you do end up entering a 720 version, let me thank you in advance. If you don't mind my asking, why did you make it 640 in the first place? I'm baffled by why anyone would choose to enter an image that much smaller than the max. Before anyone jumps on me, I do understand the motivation to make a minor decrease in size to help out with massive compression issues at 200k (but I've yet to see an example where I like the smaller image better). Sorry to hijack the thread. I already have a size related rant that generated very little interest (here), so I'll stop now. |
I submitted it that way only because of lack of knowlegde and that's why I decided to ask. I'm not to proud to ask questions no matter how silly they might sound. As for why I submitted one that was 640 and 150kb? As I said before this is only my second challenge entering and my first under advanced rules. I didn't read well enough and assumed that 640 and 150 kb was what the site would always prefered. Making it that size was a result of me not fully soaking in all the rules before I edited my entry. |
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02/23/2009 01:56:38 PM · #39 |
| Okay! Thank you. I may have goofed,Iwent with puzzle instead of puzzling. |
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02/23/2009 01:58:43 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by rodfulk:
Okay! Thank you. I may have goofed,Iwent with puzzle instead of puzzling. |
Either Puzzle or Puzzling is fine, as it states in the challenge description:
Create a photo of something that is a puzzle or is puzzling in nature.
Message edited by author 2009-02-23 13:59:03. |
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02/23/2009 03:26:23 PM · #41 |
| Thanks for the explanation, cytoxan. Keep asking those questions! |
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02/23/2009 03:36:01 PM · #42 |
| This challenge will be all over the place with resultant low scores because very few pictures will satisfy every subgroup's interpretation of what the challenge is about. Just my prediction. |
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02/23/2009 06:00:22 PM · #43 |
that's a puzzling comment. i'll have to think deeply about what you mean :)
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
This challenge will be all over the place with resultant low scores because very few pictures will satisfy every subgroup's interpretation of what the challenge is about. Just my prediction. |
Message edited by author 2009-02-23 18:00:39. |
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02/23/2009 06:06:40 PM · #44 |
I'm entering a graph of my scores for Tilted. Now that IS puzzling.
My general agreement with DrAchoo means again my entry is just for me rather than the voting masses and the score will bomb accordingly. |
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02/24/2009 07:52:01 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by cytoxan:
I took the title to mean "puzzling in nature" as in mother nature. Like if you took a picture of a 2 headed calf. DO you think that's stretching it a little. Another thing I noticed is that you can go up to 720 pixels under the advanced editing rules but I did mine to 640. Are people ussually strict when voting about these things. This will be my 2nd challenge and first in advanced editing so I am still learning. I'd hate to have to change my image tonight because I really liked the way it came out. |
Yes it can mean that too. Something in nature that is puzzling like a strange tree or something. But it can also mean that by it's very nature it is puzzling. Puzzling in it's nature meaning puzzling by the way it is. |
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02/24/2009 08:17:42 AM · #46 |
To be honest I think that there is a huge potential for people to miss the point. I understand 'Puzzling in nature' to refer to something that is in itself puzzling rather than something puzzling from the natural world. I think the 'nature' element is a red herring, albeit a puzzled one!
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I took the title to mean "puzzling in nature" as in mother nature. Like if you took a picture of a 2 headed calf. DO you think that's stretching it a little? |
Originally posted by cytoxan:
Yes it can mean that too. Something in nature that is puzzling like a strange tree or something. But it can also mean that by it's very nature it is puzzling. Puzzling in it's nature meaning puzzling by the way it is. |
Message edited by author 2009-02-24 08:18:36. |
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02/24/2009 08:20:45 AM · #47 |
I think there are two meanings. One of the puzzle is like maybe tangled tree branches or something that is shaped like a puzzle that if it were in pieces could be put together in a puzzle way. The puzzling in nature could mean the two headed calf?
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02/24/2009 08:29:18 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
Hey, I'm just one guy. I can't hurt your score that much. :) |
Without measuring, I would be hard pressed to note the loss (or gain) of 80 pixels.
But you're forgetting the file size limitations as well. If my photo at 720 doesn't fit the 200kb limitation, then I have a choice: Reduce quality and keep the size, or reduce size and keep the quality. Based on the complexity of an image, this is not always a clear choice.
That said, really small images I penalize, yes, even within the rules. Some put in 200-300 pixel images and that's just too small.
But 600+ and you're ok in my book -- so long as it's a good quality image... that's paramount.
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02/24/2009 09:05:32 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by mikeee:
"I am puzzled, now that IS puzzling"
"Puzzling in nature" means that you have to create an image of a person
who is doing a puzzle somewhere in a forest or other nature setting.   
Something like this: //farm4.static.flickr.com/3039/3099056367_aef78519c3_b.jpg
Message edited by author 2009-02-24 09:20:06. |
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02/24/2009 09:24:19 AM · #50 |
Oh I see it now, like 'Twister played in a field' or 'Sudoku on a glacier'. Puzzling IN Nature. Obvious now!
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