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12/24/2003 02:56:40 PM · #1 |
I noticed 2 of the top 5 photos on the recent challenge disappeared. That is 40%!!! Is there any warning or punishment that goes along with a DQ? If 2 of the top 5 deserved DQ, how many other pictures in the challenge do? How many pictures in previous challenges deserved DQ? I think if someone did something to deserve a DQ they should get some sort of warning followed by punishment if it's repeated.
2 of the top 5 being DQ'd is very alarming to me. Either people choose to not follow the rules, or they did not even read the rules. Either way, there should be disincentive to break the rules. More then just having you photo removed if you get caught. That is like making the bank robber give the money back and then set them free. |
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12/24/2003 03:02:14 PM · #2 |
They are flogged at sunrise.
In it's self being DQed is embarrassing and painful.
Most of the time it's an innocent mistake.
They submitted the wrong shot, didn't read the instructions correctly, they are new.
Of course there are times folks want to see if they can sneak an illegal shot in.
It's happens.
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12/24/2003 03:02:19 PM · #3 |
It would be difficult to punish DQers. Sometimes people make a genuine honest mistake - it happens. On the other hand some people try it on and no doubt there are some highly rated photos that maybe should not be there. Dont forget there is a little box you have to tick when you submit your photo to a challenge but you bascially have to rely on people being honest. I dont know if the admin people check on the ribbon winners as a matter of course.
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12/24/2003 03:10:36 PM · #4 |
A warning for the first and second offense with a link to the rules and a suggestion to read them should accomidate the people that make honest mistakes. On a 3rd or more offense, the person should know better by then.
Being new here, I'm just really skeptical when I see 40% of the best pictures DQ'd on the first challenge I voted on. |
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12/24/2003 03:11:01 PM · #5 |
I agree with your "disincentive" thoughts. IMO, chalk a person's 1st DQ up to honest mistake; if they incur a 2nd one then suspend submitting privileges for a certain period of time; If a 3rd, then suspend indefinitely or boot out altogether.
Yeah, I'm hard, but I hate cheating.
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12/24/2003 03:16:29 PM · #6 |
They are flogged at sunrise.
Can I apply for this without cheating? |
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12/24/2003 03:23:49 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by lhall:
I agree with your "disincentive" thoughts. IMO, chalk a person's 1st DQ up to honest mistake; if they incur a 2nd one then suspend submitting privileges for a certain period of time; If a 3rd, then suspend indefinitely or boot out altogether.
Yeah, I'm hard, but I hate cheating. |
Sounds like a good plan to me. |
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12/24/2003 03:41:14 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by deafwolf:
They are flogged at sunrise.
Can I apply for this without cheating? |
LOL! |
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12/24/2003 04:18:47 PM · #9 |
| I don't think that there are very many, if any, instances where a photographer repeatedly cheated or even cheated on purpose. Generally, it's a first-timer who didn't read the rules. If if was actually the same person repeatedly, I'd be in favor of some sort of "punishment," but I don't think that flogging a first-timer is really the welcome message we want the site to have. |
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12/24/2003 04:29:20 PM · #10 |
| uh oh.. the DPC man is comin to get us down! |
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12/24/2003 04:57:37 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by louddog:
A warning for the first and second offense with a link to the rules and a suggestion to read them should accomidate the people that make honest mistakes. On a 3rd or more offense, the person should know better by then.
Being new here, I'm just really skeptical when I see 40% of the best pictures DQ'd on the first challenge I voted on. |
It's so easy to make a mistake. All the more reason the proof should be required for the top photos all the time. There were several times I went out to shoot for a challenge thinking it was the one I can edit, only to find after having done all the edits, they were not allowed in that challenge. I had it in my mind it was ok. I did catch myself as I was filling out the information on the upload. But I can see where it would be easy to make a mistake. I would have been mortified if everyone had it in the back of his or her mind that I tried to cheat.
Punishment is not necessary for an honest mistake. |
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12/24/2003 05:16:51 PM · #12 |
When I am not sure about a technique, I keep asking some friends. Not directly, just how about desaturating by colour channels and stuff. This may help for those who are not 100% sure about the legality of some techniques. :-)
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12/24/2003 05:29:51 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by vadvirag:
When I am not sure about a technique, I keep asking some friends. Not directly, just how about desaturating by colour channels and stuff. This may help for those who are not 100% sure about the legality of some techniques. :-) |
I agree. I have asked several times in the forums about getting an official ruling on using some of the tools and I never did get an answer on some of them. I decided NOT to enter the shot where the tool in question was used, but if I had done all I could to get a ruling, and I did enter the shot, I wouldn't want to be punished. |
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12/24/2003 05:31:53 PM · #14 |
personally, i find it funny that some picture editing is ok and some is not. on many black/white/sepia pics people highly modify contrast and levels which makes it look really good.
so who decided where to draw the lines? other than spot editing, they are very thin. |
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12/24/2003 05:39:46 PM · #15 |
It is not very much fun to win your first ribbon because of a controversial DQ. I know, I did.
Whenever that happens everyone feels bad.
It should be standard policy to request originals for top images in every challenge BEFORE the challenge closes to minimize the probablity of DQs of ribbon winners. If they are DQed before results are posted it would be better for all concerned.
I believe the vast majority of DQ's result from honest mistakes and that we should NOT institutionalize punishments for violations. We are here to have fun, learn and make friends. We are not here to bicker over results.
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12/24/2003 06:10:29 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
It is not very much fun to win your first ribbon because of a controversial DQ. I know, I did.
Whenever that happens everyone feels bad.
It should be standard policy to request originals for top images in every challenge BEFORE the challenge closes to minimize the probablity of DQs of ribbon winners. If they are DQed before results are posted it would be better for all concerned.
I believe the vast majority of DQ's result from honest mistakes and that we should NOT institutionalize punishments for violations. We are here to have fun, learn and make friends. We are not here to bicker over results. |
I agree! well said. |
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12/25/2003 10:46:18 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
It's so easy to make a mistake. All the more reason the proof should be required for the top photos all the time. There were several times I went out to shoot for a challenge thinking it was the one I can edit, only to find after having done all the edits, they were not allowed in that challenge. I had it in my mind it was ok. I did catch myself as I was filling out the information on the upload. But I can see where it would be easy to make a mistake. I would have been mortified if everyone had it in the back of his or her mind that I tried to cheat.
Punishment is not necessary for an honest mistake. |
Certain things are easy to make mistakes, post processing for example. But if what I've gathered from the various forums is correct, these 2 from vehicles were DQ'ed because they were taken outside the challenge date. The submission form requests the date you took the photo. If you put in the honest, correct date and it was outside the timeframe, the system stops you. You can then choose to do 1 of 2 things:
Not submit the photo
Submit it with an incorrect date - knowingly.
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12/25/2003 10:56:14 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by tfaust:
...The submission form requests the date you took the photo. If you put in the honest, correct date and it was outside the timeframe, the system stops you. You can then choose to do 1 of 2 things:
Not submit the photo
Submit it with an incorrect date - knowingly. |
Actually you bring up a good point, the date is requested, but "today's date" is entered for you as a default. I think that eliminating the default, MAKING the user select the date (not allowing submission without making the selection) would eliminate ANY claim of "honest error" in this regard. As it stands now, a user could submit a shot and claim that they honestly did not even read that field. Not that that would change the result if there was a review, but that would only happen in the case of DQ request or a top 10 finish.
If in fact the majority of the DQs for date violations are really honest mistakes, this change should eliminate nearly all of them.
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12/25/2003 11:12:58 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Actually you bring up a good point, the date is requested, but "today's date" is entered for you as a default. I think that eliminating the default, MAKING the user select the date (not allowing submission without making the selection) would eliminate ANY claim of "honest error" in this regard. |
Better yet, if exif data is present, parse it and make that the default (for all fields in the form), then strip the exif data (as is already done). If no exif data is present, do what you suggest (don't make the default the current date). |
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