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01/23/2009 11:13:16 PM · #426
Originally posted by dahkota:

Atheism is not a system of beliefs just like theism is not. You cannot define anything about a person when calling them a theist except when stating they believe in a god - all else is up for speculation. Same with atheism - you can state they don't believe in a god but all else is up for speculation.

Well put. Mormons, Presbyterians, Amish, radical Muslims, Satanists, Greeks and Aztecs are all theists, but that general term only means that they believe in god(s). It tells you zilch about their motivations or values. Same with atheism. It simply means you don't believe in god(s). Anything else is a separate issue.
01/23/2009 11:21:55 PM · #427
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

But certainly it's a worldview. Has it ever spurred people to good?

You're barking up the wrong tree as if Atheism is a "thing" to aspire to or please or an ideal to work towards. It's a nothing- literally no different than you NOT believing in Zeus... you simply discard the idea as a myth and move on. There is nothing that you do, good or bad, for the sake of NOT believing in Zeus. You don't even think of it, and live life for other reasons- in your case perhaps trying to be "good" to please an invisible and intangible master, and in mine because I think it's good to be good.


This bares repeating. Doc, for someone who is 99% atheist you sure have trouble understanding atheism. :P
01/23/2009 11:50:08 PM · #428
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

-ism suffix forming nouns of...condition...

30-15

Botulism. Noun. A serious illness/condition resulting from botulin toxins....

30-30. Your serve.
01/24/2009 02:39:06 AM · #429
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

-ism suffix forming nouns of...condition...

30-15

Botulism. Noun. A serious illness/condition resulting from botulin toxins....

30-30. Your serve.


So Atheism is a disease? ;)

40-30.
01/24/2009 03:20:39 AM · #430
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

-ism suffix forming nouns of...condition...

30-15

Botulism. Noun. A serious illness/condition resulting from botulin toxins....

30-30. Your serve.


So Atheism is a disease? ;)

40-30.


The line judge calls. That was out of bounds. :P
01/24/2009 03:24:46 AM · #431
ok, even as much as i love to argue about religion and those who depend on it, doesnt anyone think that this discussion should be happening elsewhere? this is a phootgrsphy website, and id much prefere a canon vs nikon rant session.
01/24/2009 10:49:40 AM · #432
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

My simple point is to say, ok fine, if it's a lack of belief then you can't utilize it as inspiration for anything, good or bad. You can't point to a lack of belief as inspiration.

Precisely.
01/24/2009 12:33:43 PM · #433
Originally posted by yanko:

The line judge calls. That was out of bounds. :P


Don't make me go all McEnroe on you!
01/24/2009 12:44:37 PM · #434
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by yanko:

The line judge calls. That was out of bounds. :P


Don't make me go all McEnroe on you!


I did see chalk dust on that one.
01/24/2009 02:32:31 PM · #435
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

-ism suffix forming nouns of...condition...

30-15

Botulism. Noun. A serious illness/condition resulting from botulin toxins....

30-30. Your serve.


So Atheism is a disease? ;)

40-30.

Tsk, tsk... a medical background and you're forgetting the prefix. Atheism would be the lack of said disease...

Deuce. ;-)
01/24/2009 02:50:50 PM · #436
Haha. That one was pretty good.
01/24/2009 02:53:31 PM · #437
;-) All in good fun.
01/26/2009 07:43:58 AM · #438
Originally posted by briantammy:

what do baptists have against catholics? serious question.


It's not just baptists, but Christians in general.

Catholics believe things that are not only non-Scriptural, they are against the teachings of Christ.

Prayers to saints (we only have One Intercessor before God, Christ Jesus), works-based salvation, the Pope being infallible and anything more than a regular sinful man, Maryology (co-Redeemer with Christ, sinless nature, etc..)

All of these things are counter to Christian teaching.
01/26/2009 09:46:14 AM · #439
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by briantammy:

what do baptists have against catholics? serious question.


It's not just baptists, but Christians in general.

Catholics believe things that are not only non-Scriptural, they are against the teachings of Christ.

Prayers to saints (we only have One Intercessor before God, Christ Jesus), works-based salvation, the Pope being infallible and anything more than a regular sinful man, Maryology (co-Redeemer with Christ, sinless nature, etc..)

All of these things are counter to Christian teaching.


Man are you misinformed. I'll leave it at that.
01/26/2009 09:59:11 AM · #440
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by briantammy:

what do baptists have against catholics? serious question.


It's not just baptists, but Christians in general.

Catholics believe things that are not only non-Scriptural, they are against the teachings of Christ.

Prayers to saints (we only have One Intercessor before God, Christ Jesus), works-based salvation, the Pope being infallible and anything more than a regular sinful man, Maryology (co-Redeemer with Christ, sinless nature, etc..)

All of these things are counter to Christian teaching.


Man are you misinformed. I'll leave it at that.


Which point did I make that was incorrect?
01/26/2009 10:24:07 AM · #441
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by briantammy:

what do baptists have against catholics? serious question.


It's not just baptists, but Christians in general.

Catholics believe things that are not only non-Scriptural, they are against the teachings of Christ.

Prayers to saints (we only have One Intercessor before God, Christ Jesus), works-based salvation, the Pope being infallible and anything more than a regular sinful man, Maryology (co-Redeemer with Christ, sinless nature, etc..)

All of these things are counter to Christian teaching.


Man are you misinformed. I'll leave it at that.


Which point did I make that was incorrect?


One of my pet peeves in religion debate is sects within a particular faith claiming they are the only ones that "get it". So I won't take the bait on this and get into a Catholic vs Protestant debate with you.

Celebrate your faith as you see fit, but if you have to degrade, marginalize, insult or demonize people of another faith to make you feel good about yours, well, I hope that works out for you.
01/26/2009 12:04:52 PM · #442
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by briantammy:

what do baptists have against catholics? serious question.


It's not just baptists, but Christians in general.

Catholics believe things that are not only non-Scriptural, they are against the teachings of Christ.

Prayers to saints (we only have One Intercessor before God, Christ Jesus), works-based salvation, the Pope being infallible and anything more than a regular sinful man, Maryology (co-Redeemer with Christ, sinless nature, etc..)

All of these things are counter to Christian teaching.


Man are you misinformed. I'll leave it at that.


Which point did I make that was incorrect?


One of my pet peeves in religion debate is sects within a particular faith claiming they are the only ones that "get it". So I won't take the bait on this and get into a Catholic vs Protestant debate with you.

Celebrate your faith as you see fit, but if you have to degrade, marginalize, insult or demonize people of another faith to make you feel good about yours, well, I hope that works out for you.


Did nothing of the sort. There is the Catholic faith and they are free to believe whatever they like, as are Buddhists, Muslims, Mormons, etc...

But when they try to claim to be a "sect" as you call it of Christianity, when God's Word is clear and plain, then of course I have every right to defend my faith and they have to defend theirs.
01/26/2009 12:13:52 PM · #443
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by briantammy:

what do baptists have against catholics? serious question.


It's not just baptists, but Christians in general.

Catholics believe things that are not only non-Scriptural, they are against the teachings of Christ.

Prayers to saints (we only have One Intercessor before God, Christ Jesus), works-based salvation, the Pope being infallible and anything more than a regular sinful man, Maryology (co-Redeemer with Christ, sinless nature, etc..)

All of these things are counter to Christian teaching.


Man are you misinformed. I'll leave it at that.


Which point did I make that was incorrect?


One of my pet peeves in religion debate is sects within a particular faith claiming they are the only ones that "get it". So I won't take the bait on this and get into a Catholic vs Protestant debate with you.

Celebrate your faith as you see fit, but if you have to degrade, marginalize, insult or demonize people of another faith to make you feel good about yours, well, I hope that works out for you.


Did nothing of the sort. There is the Catholic faith and they are free to believe whatever they like, as are Buddhists, Muslims, Mormons, etc...

But when they try to claim to be a "sect" as you call it of Christianity, when God's Word is clear and plain, then of course I have every right to defend my faith and they have to defend theirs.


It was everything of the sort.

I was waiting for you to come in this thread and start spewing your B.S. about your "way" as the only "way".

It's exactly the kind of attitudes you have that engender the disgust with religion among so many.

01/26/2009 02:05:37 PM · #444
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by briantammy:

what do baptists have against catholics? serious question.


It's not just baptists, but Christians in general.

Catholics believe things that are not only non-Scriptural, they are against the teachings of Christ.

Prayers to saints (we only have One Intercessor before God, Christ Jesus), works-based salvation, the Pope being infallible and anything more than a regular sinful man, Maryology (co-Redeemer with Christ, sinless nature, etc..)

All of these things are counter to Christian teaching.


Man are you misinformed. I'll leave it at that.


Which point did I make that was incorrect?


One of my pet peeves in religion debate is sects within a particular faith claiming they are the only ones that "get it". So I won't take the bait on this and get into a Catholic vs Protestant debate with you.

Celebrate your faith as you see fit, but if you have to degrade, marginalize, insult or demonize people of another faith to make you feel good about yours, well, I hope that works out for you.


Did nothing of the sort. There is the Catholic faith and they are free to believe whatever they like, as are Buddhists, Muslims, Mormons, etc...

But when they try to claim to be a "sect" as you call it of Christianity, when God's Word is clear and plain, then of course I have every right to defend my faith and they have to defend theirs.


It was everything of the sort.

I was waiting for you to come in this thread and start spewing your B.S. about your "way" as the only "way".

It's exactly the kind of attitudes you have that engender the disgust with religion among so many.


Only to the closed minded that is.

The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the only path to God. So you have to believe it or not believe in Jesus. Period, end of discussion. Either it is true or it is not true, that is ultimately the choice people must make.

Likewise, the Bible is either the inspired Word of God, or it is not. You choose. Catholics do not accept it as such and have added to it (Church teachings, Papal decrees, etc). Christians do accept it as such and have not added to it. You CANNOT have it both ways.

So be whatever you want to be. As a Christian, I can accept your choice to believe what you want. But don't be so intolerant as to force me to accept your faith as valid.

That's just ignorant on your part.

Message edited by author 2009-01-26 14:06:22.
01/26/2009 02:25:35 PM · #445
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Likewise, the Bible is either the inspired Word of God, or it is not. You choose. Catholics do not accept it as such and have added to it

lol. You might want to double-check that one, Hawkeye. I'm pretty sure Catholics consider the bible to be the word of god. What, exactly, has the RCC "added" to it?
01/26/2009 02:30:17 PM · #446
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the only path to God. So you have to believe it or not believe in Jesus. Period, end of discussion. Either it is true or it is not true, that is ultimately the choice people must make.

The Bible also clearly states that Abel, Moses and others who never even heard of Jesus had a path to God, so you're caught in your own paradox. Either these people (and all others predating Jesus as well as those in distant lands who never heard these stories) had no path to God or you're calling Jesus a liar... or, just possibly, you're interpretation is off.

Also, to call those who recognize the single largest group of Christians on the planet "ignorant" or "intolerant" is the pinnacle of irony. Only a very tiny minority of evangelicals refuse to accept other denominations as Christians. It's a complete contradiction of Jesus' message of God's love for all.
01/26/2009 02:55:58 PM · #447
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:



The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the only path to God. So you have to believe it or not believe in Jesus. Period, end of discussion. Either it is true or it is not true, that is ultimately the choice people must make.

Likewise, the Bible is either the inspired Word of God, or it is not. You choose. Catholics do not accept it as such and have added to it (Church teachings, Papal decrees, etc). Christians do accept it as such and have not added to it. You CANNOT have it both ways.


Umm, you have a lot to learn about Catholicism. You might rethink being an authority on it and start reading more.
01/26/2009 03:56:05 PM · #448
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


That's just ignorant on your part.


I know where the ignorance is and it has nothing to do with my part.

Again, your attitude reflects why people turn away from religion.

I thought one of your duties as a Christian was to help bring others into the fold, not alienate them and turn them away. Maybe that's the "other Christians"...
01/26/2009 04:17:51 PM · #449
Originally posted by david_c:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Likewise, the Bible is either the inspired Word of God, or it is not. You choose. Catholics do not accept it as such and have added to it

lol. You might want to double-check that one, Hawkeye. I'm pretty sure Catholics consider the bible to be the word of god. What, exactly, has the RCC "added" to it?


Church tradition, the Apocrypha, and other sources are all on the same "authority" level as Scripture (per Roman Catholicism)

Message edited by author 2009-01-26 16:36:05.
01/26/2009 04:35:53 PM · #450
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the only path to God. So you have to believe it or not believe in Jesus. Period, end of discussion. Either it is true or it is not true, that is ultimately the choice people must make.

The Bible also clearly states that Abel, Moses and others who never even heard of Jesus had a path to God, so you're caught in your own paradox. Either these people (and all others predating Jesus as well as those in distant lands who never heard these stories) had no path to God or you're calling Jesus a liar... or, just possibly, you're interpretation is off.

Also, to call those who recognize the single largest group of Christians on the planet "ignorant" or "intolerant" is the pinnacle of irony. Only a very tiny minority of evangelicals refuse to accept other denominations as Christians. It's a complete contradiction of Jesus' message of God's love for all.


You really need to learn to read before you reply.

Abel and Moses did have a path to God, the Law and Sacrifice. Jesus came and fulfilled the Law and the Sacrifice and so accepting this is now the only path to God. No paradox or difficulty at all, except to the blind.

I heartily accept other "denominations" of Christianity as Christian and have never once said anything contrary to this. This is far different than accepting religions as being equal to Christianity, which I as a Christian rightly refuse to do.

Christian denominations differ from one another in minor points that do not affect their overall acceptance and adherence to the major points of Christianity.
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