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01/20/2009 03:00:54 PM · #51 |
Related to the original topic, didja know all federal employees take the following oath? One of the proudest days of my life.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
So we talk about all enemies, but the presidential oath doesn't. |
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01/20/2009 03:10:18 PM · #52 |
I was watching NBC and the talking heads on there were actually saying they "couldn't understand why the the stock market was going down" !
Seems they believe the crap they've been feeding the public for a year....Bush...Bush....once Bush is out and Obama in...everything will turn around....
Down 3.1%
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Why didn't Obama swear to defend the constitution againts all enemys foreign and domestic ? Ten minutes prior...Biden DID swear to do it. |
Everything seems the same as it did one hour ago. Where's the hope? Where's the change? |
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01/20/2009 03:11:45 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Down 3.1% |
Well, Obama did speak against greed, and he included the need for rules and oversight in his address. No wonder Wall St. is nervous. |
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01/20/2009 03:18:17 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Related to the original topic, didja know all federal employees take the following oath? One of the proudest days of my life.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
So we talk about all enemies, but the presidential oath doesn't. |
Really? Is this for a military position, or even lets say a clerk at the patent office takes this?
Im not being sarcastic, just curious, I had to take an oath for my job too |
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01/20/2009 03:23:16 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by kolasi:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Related to the original topic, didja know all federal employees take the following oath? One of the proudest days of my life.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
So we talk about all enemies, but the presidential oath doesn't. |
Really? Is this for a military position, or even lets say a clerk at the patent office takes this?
Im not being sarcastic, just curious, I had to take an oath for my job too |
That's the civilian oath for all federal employees. Don't know what the military swears.
Here's more from the Office of Personnel Management. |
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01/20/2009 03:27:42 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Down 3.1% |
Well, Obama did speak against greed, and he included the need for rules and oversight in his address. No wonder Wall St. is nervous. |
Captialism != Greed. Egads. |
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01/20/2009 03:30:10 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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Does it need the enemies part?
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States;
Do you not defend the constitution when it is opposed by friends? |
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01/20/2009 03:33:10 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Captialism != Greed. |
You said it, not your President. |
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01/20/2009 04:18:51 PM · #59 |
yeah - i was kinda kidding around...
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
No no no, Quayle was Daddy's VP.
Cheney is much more dangerous, especially if you turn your back on him while hunting. |
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01/20/2009 05:17:58 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Related to the original topic, didja know all federal employees take the following oath? One of the proudest days of my life.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
So we talk about all enemies, but the presidential oath doesn't. |
Not all federal employees take that oath.
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01/20/2009 05:24:18 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Why didn't Obama swear to defend the constitution againts all enemys foreign and domestic ? Ten minutes prior...Biden DID swear to do it. |
Everything seems the same as it did one hour ago. Where's the hope? Where's the change? |
Perhaps you do not know what hope or change actually is. However good it is to have a new president promising change and hope, those things do not happen in a top down fashion. In order for there to be change people must continue to challenge and pressure the failing ideas and press the issues we would like to see change in. Calling for change is one thing but it is the American people who need to change, who need to act for those things they'd like to see changed. In a nation for the people and by the people... if you don't see any change, it is because you're still the same. If you have not seen hope it is because there is none inside of you.
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01/20/2009 05:29:12 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by fireserpent:
Perhaps you do not know what hope or change actually is. However good it is to have a new president promising change and hope, those things do not happen in a top down fashion. In order for there to be change people must continue to challenge and pressure the failing ideas and press the issues we would like to see change in. Calling for change is one thing but it is the American people who need to change, who need to act for those things they'd like to see changed. In a nation for the people and by the people... if you don't see any change, it is because you're still the same. If you have not seen hope it is because there is none inside of you. |
Very well said. :) |
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01/20/2009 05:31:54 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by tiffanyleski:
Originally posted by fireserpent:
Perhaps you do not know what hope or change actually is. However good it is to have a new president promising change and hope, those things do not happen in a top down fashion. In order for there to be change people must continue to challenge and pressure the failing ideas and press the issues we would like to see change in. Calling for change is one thing but it is the American people who need to change, who need to act for those things they'd like to see changed. In a nation for the people and by the people... if you don't see any change, it is because you're still the same. If you have not seen hope it is because there is none inside of you. |
Very well said. :) |
Dammit, I was going to quote him and say the exact same thing. Right down to the smiley. You beat me to it. |
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01/20/2009 05:52:05 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by fireserpent:
Perhaps you do not know what hope or change actually is. However good it is to have a new president promising change and hope, those things do not happen in a top down fashion. In order for there to be change people must continue to challenge and pressure the failing ideas and press the issues we would like to see change in. Calling for change is one thing but it is the American people who need to change, who need to act for those things they'd like to see changed. In a nation for the people and by the people... if you don't see any change, it is because you're still the same. If you have not seen hope it is because there is none inside of you. |
Originally posted by tiffanyleski AND zackdezon:
Very well said. :) |
Ta da! Now we BOTH said it. ;P
Originally posted by zackdezon:
Dammit, I was going to quote him and say the exact same thing. Right down to the smiley. You beat me to it. |
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01/20/2009 06:04:30 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by kolasi:
Does it need the enemies part?
Do you not defend the constitution when it is opposed by friends? |
I think you're missing something. The oath simply defines anyone who violates or threatens the Constitution as an "enemy." As far as it's concerned, there's no such thing as a friend who threatens the Constitution. This isn't a statement about "otherwise" allies or friends or acquaintances, or a discussion about any issue other than what's in that one document. It's also hardly the only thing worth discussing in a broader context, of course.
Originally posted by fireserpent:
Not all federal employees take that oath. |
Hmm? I was quoting from the OPM page. Who doesn't take that oath?
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01/20/2009 07:15:22 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Except it was a downgrade in ideology. |
Typo corrected. ;-) |
Stupidity corrected.
Look, it's considered bad form to edit someone's post in a quote... but then when they reply and humourously correct your correction AND YOU DELETE IT, then you've really crossed the line.
what a goob. |
The difference between the two was that Scalvert's post was general, and aimed at the ideology of the previous administration. Your "humorous" reply was to call Scalvert an idiot directly, then to call him a goob. I submit that you have crossed the line and violated the terms of service here.
Message edited by author 2009-01-20 19:15:49. |
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01/20/2009 08:04:10 PM · #67 |
To state the obvious: Millions of people came together today in Washington to witness a historic event.
Many hours and much care went into the planning and execution of this event. People honed their words, practiced their singing, learned new musical pieces. There was excitement and pride. People of all walks of life and all political persuasions laughed and cried together in person and through witnessing the event on television, radio and other electronic devices.
On the west coast of the United States, I was entranced by this awesome ceremony from early morning until just now. By the spoken words, the singing and, yes, even the praying. By the parades and by the little slips in protocol.
Finally, tears dried and day complete, I turn to this group of photographers with whom I spend so much time.
After reading this thread, I know I will never look at some of those in this group of people in the same way again.
And for that, I am very, very sorry.
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01/21/2009 02:24:13 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
To state the obvious: Millions of people came together today in Washington to witness a historic event.
Many hours and much care went into the planning and execution of this event. People honed their words, practiced their singing, learned new musical pieces. There was excitement and pride. People of all walks of life and all political persuasions laughed and cried together in person and through witnessing the event on television, radio and other electronic devices.
On the west coast of the United States, I was entranced by this awesome ceremony from early morning until just now. By the spoken words, the singing and, yes, even the praying. By the parades and by the little slips in protocol.
Finally, tears dried and day complete, I turn to this group of photographers with whom I spend so much time.
After reading this thread, I know I will never look at some of those in this group of people in the same way again.
And for that, I am very, very sorry. |
I agree Alice. There are definitely a few here on this website (who shall remain nameless) who have caused me quite a bit of frustration and even anger in the past week especially. I cannot understand why the bitter want to spread their distain by dampening out the lights of the hopeful and elated. Shame on them. |
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01/21/2009 05:05:54 AM · #69 |
"What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them" - President Obama, 20th Jan 2009
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01/21/2009 05:10:31 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
That is our national anthem which was sang after the Presidents speech. My Country Tis of Thee was sang by Aretha Franklin at the beginning, Which one were you refering to?
fwiw, The Anthem sounded pretty routine to me.
Originally posted by Simms:
I awlays thought it was the other one, you know "oh say can you see" etc. I thought that was your national anthem. |
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It's OK, they just mentioned on the radio that the BBC presenter got it wrong and announced "..and now Aretha Franklin will sing the National Anthem"... which is why I got so confused.. |
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01/21/2009 07:49:22 AM · #71 |
For those who don't think this is a milestone in American history, look again. Think again.
The race wars, the civil rights movement amongst others have paved the way for this to happen. Sure it's just another Presidential inauguration, but the person being sworn in shows that the American people can rise above and choose well. Only time will tell how well. To forget this is to forget history and forgetting history raises the chance of repeating it.
I wish him (Obama) well.
Message edited by author 2009-01-21 07:50:28. |
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01/21/2009 08:39:12 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
For those who don't think this is a milestone in American history, look again. Think again.
The race wars, the civil rights movement amongst others have paved the way for this to happen. Sure it's just another Presidential inauguration, but the person being sworn in shows that the American people can rise above and choose well. Only time will tell how well. To forget this is to forget history and forgetting history raises the chance of repeating it.
I wish him (Obama) well. |
Playing Devils advocate here - it seems from the majority of news reports that most black voters voted for Obama. Surely this should be considered racist in itself, the fact they didnt want to vote "for the white guy" and cast their vote on the basis of Obamas colour alone. surely now is the time for those black people with a chip on their shoulder to realise that most white people really dont care if someone is black, white, yellow or whatever - the ones who seem to have the biggest issue with the colour of someones skin are black people themselves. |
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01/21/2009 09:34:20 AM · #73 |
Slight correction people... the song is Mrs Franklin sung was "America (My Country, Tis of Thee)". People here have made statements concerning why she of all performers had to be the singer of that song... a black woman. And, for those who don't know, yes, it had to be a black woman singing that song at that particular place. The event holds significance in African American history.
Do a google or wiki search for "Marian Anderson at Lincoln Memorial" and you'll understand.
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01/21/2009 09:42:01 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
For those who don't think this is a milestone in American history, look again. Think again.
The race wars, the civil rights movement amongst others have paved the way for this to happen. Sure it's just another Presidential inauguration, but the person being sworn in shows that the American people can rise above and choose well. Only time will tell how well. To forget this is to forget history and forgetting history raises the chance of repeating it.
I wish him (Obama) well. |
Playing Devils advocate here - it seems from the majority of news reports that most black voters voted for Obama. Surely this should be considered racist in itself, the fact they didnt want to vote "for the white guy" and cast their vote on the basis of Obamas colour alone. surely now is the time for those black people with a chip on their shoulder to realise that most white people really dont care if someone is black, white, yellow or whatever - the ones who seem to have the biggest issue with the colour of someones skin are black people themselves. |
Sadly, I think there are still plenty of white Americans who didn't vote for Obama, at least in part, because he's black. They'll never admit it freely, but in moments of ranting, here in the office, I've heard Obama called "That f'ing n-word!" and "Sand n-word".
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01/21/2009 09:44:53 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
For those who don't think this is a milestone in American history, look again. Think again.
The race wars, the civil rights movement amongst others have paved the way for this to happen. Sure it's just another Presidential inauguration, but the person being sworn in shows that the American people can rise above and choose well. Only time will tell how well. To forget this is to forget history and forgetting history raises the chance of repeating it.
I wish him (Obama) well. |
Playing Devils advocate here - it seems from the majority of news reports that most black voters voted for Obama. Surely this should be considered racist in itself, the fact they didnt want to vote "for the white guy" and cast their vote on the basis of Obamas colour alone. surely now is the time for those black people with a chip on their shoulder to realise that most white people really dont care if someone is black, white, yellow or whatever - the ones who seem to have the biggest issue with the colour of someones skin are black people themselves. |
Simms, even though you're only playing devil's advocate here... one can not possibly know the motivation for someone to vote for a person unless they tell you. And just because a statistical majority of african american people voted for him does not mean they did so soley on the fact that he's black... of which he is also white as well. Is it not racist to believet that only black people voted for him simply because he is black? It couldn't be that he was voted for resoundingly by black people for the same reasons that the majority of white people who voted for him?
The thing is that even if every single black person in America voted for him, he wouldn't be president today if everyone else didn't vote for him as well. Look again at the polls and demographics of those who voted for Obama. I think you'll be surprised how little weight your words hold when you realize just how many latinos, whites, young, old, asian, educated, uneducated, rich and poor people voted for him. I'm certain they didn't do it just because he was black... and neither did the black people in the country.
As a side note... it is equally racist to vote for someone because they're white or because they are not black Simms. Think about it.
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