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01/12/2009 02:57:15 PM · #1 |
The Windows 7 public beta is available for download from here;
//www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx
For anyone brave enough to install a Microsoft beta operating system :) |
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01/12/2009 02:59:03 PM · #2 |
| i am rigid with anticipation |
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01/12/2009 03:01:25 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
i am rigid with anticipation |
Let's just pretend Vista never happened, mm'kay? |
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01/12/2009 03:17:41 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by smardaz:
i am rigid with anticipation |
Let's just pretend Vista never happened, mm'kay? |
haha yeah, someone asked me the other day what i thought of vista (i work in IT and get asked my opinion alot from family and friends, little do they know my opinion is worthless) but i told them that in my opinion its the next "millennium edition" look at the facts: the majority of people think it sucks, they extended the shelf life of XP and in the meantime say "wait til you see our NEXT os!" yep.... Just call it Vista ME
Message edited by author 2009-01-12 15:17:58. |
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01/12/2009 03:25:06 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
i am rigid with anticipation |
I am blissful with Mac OS :-) |
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01/12/2009 03:44:30 PM · #6 |
Win7 is not going to be the huge overhaul of Vista that you may think. The major changes are to the user interface and they are refining that in a big way. The taskbar in particular, will have the Mac crowd crying "see they copied from Apple again!".
The under the hood nuts and bolts however, are remaining the same core OS as Vista. This is a good thing in most ways, because makers of software and hardware won't have to rewrite everything all over again. It also means the hefty system requirements of Vista are still there, however it is now 2+ years since Vista's launch and fast enough computers are cheaper and more capable.
Here's a guided tour whats new for Windows 7 from ARS Technica. |
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01/12/2009 04:00:44 PM · #7 |
That is my biggest problem with Microsoft, every version of their OS is Beta. Even when it officially ships it's still a "Beta" version, hence the enormous number of security updates and patches required to download within days of it's launch. This post should be read Windows 7 Alpha available for download. I am as happy as a clam to be running on a Mac. At least when Apple ships a new OS it is ready as is. I will be the first to admit that Leopard had a couple of issues when it first shipped, but at least people were not returning hardware to the store, reformatting their HD's and reverting back to the old OS in mass hysteria.. So I say good luck with anything Microsoft...
Message edited by author 2009-01-12 16:02:15.
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01/12/2009 04:05:50 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jtlee321:
At least when Apple ships a new OS it is ready as is. |
Nope. The first version of OSX should have been Beta. It was released to meet a deadline and it showed. For one thing, printing did not work well until they started using CUPS in Jaguar. I'm afraid I don't have a list of everything for you, but Apple is made from the same cloth as MS. |
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01/12/2009 05:51:03 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by jtlee321:
At least when Apple ships a new OS it is ready as is. |
Nope. The first version of OSX should have been Beta. It was released to meet a deadline and it showed. For one thing, printing did not work well until they started using CUPS in Jaguar. I'm afraid I don't have a list of everything for you, but Apple is made from the same cloth as MS. |
On an unrelated, but slightly boastful note, today I upgraded my iMac to 4Gb ram and fiddled with the virtualbox settings.
The result? - WinXP now boots in 20 seconds from within Virtualbox running on OS X - faster than my Thinkpad R60. And that includes a .NET dev environment and SQL Server 2005 (which is the only reason I have to run XP on my iMac, sacrilege I know)
Apart from all that, and not wanting to turn this into yet *another* 'Windows versus OSX' thread, I've found OS X to be extremely stable, fast and easy-to-use (I love how cleanly applications install and uninstall)
After 20+ years of using MS Windows, my only problem now is that I have no excuse to go messing about with the OS anymore. I kind of miss the old days of DLL hell, reformatting, reinstalling.... |
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01/12/2009 06:45:52 PM · #10 |
Had little problems with Vista here.
I had issues with the updates...they stopped downloading. |
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01/12/2009 06:52:08 PM · #11 |
My biggest problem with Vista is a very underpowered laptop. The evening has cemented that as soon as I get a proper job and some money I will physically throw this piece of sh1t out the window. A high window.
I'm having a bad evening... |
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01/12/2009 07:00:53 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Had little problems with Vista here. |
I never had a problem with Vista either. It took a little bit of getting used to after so many years on XP. But after about a week it was easy. Although I have to admit I use my XP based laptop for work even though I have a fancy work supplied Vista laptop sitting in my cabinet. That one won't let me play Travian while I work without shutting off my work DB for "security reasons."- that has nothing to do with Vista, its an 'in house' program.
Message edited by author 2009-01-12 19:01:15. |
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01/12/2009 07:02:58 PM · #13 |
Apart from all that, and not wanting to turn this into yet *another* 'Windows versus OSX' thread, I've found OS X to be extremely stable, fast and easy-to-use (I love how cleanly applications install and uninstall)
Install, yes. Uninstall... Well, you're just not looking hard enough. It's so bad there's like 5,000 pieces of software for OSX that go through and make sure applications ACTUALLY get uninstalled.
The reason OSX is so stable as well is because it handles operations in the order they're received, which is horribly inefficient. It is great, however, when you're running only a couple things at once. Once you start multitasking with some serious applications, though, speeds goes down the drain. My Macbook Pro barely runs if I've got Adium, iTunes, CS3, and Firefox all open at the same time, and it's worse if I'm actively switching between the two.
Oh well. At least it's not technically Linux. I guess I've got my gaming box with Vista Black if I want speed.
EDIT: On topic, I'll probably be installing Windows 7 onto my desktop later tonight to give it a whirl. My friend has had the beta on his laptop for a while and loves it.
Message edited by author 2009-01-12 19:04:43. |
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01/12/2009 07:16:29 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
Apart from all that, and not wanting to turn this into yet *another* 'Windows versus OSX' thread, I've found OS X to be extremely stable, fast and easy-to-use (I love how cleanly applications install and uninstall)
Install, yes. Uninstall... Well, you're just not looking hard enough. It's so bad there's like 5,000 pieces of software for OSX that go through and make sure applications ACTUALLY get uninstalled. |
You mean libraries and preferences? Fairly dormant, hardly a big deal. Compared to all the rubbish an average Windows application installer scatters around the hard disk. DLLs, OCXs, type libraries, entries in the registry - you name it. Which leads to problems with DLL incompatibility, and the ultimate windows slow-down; the corrupt or over-sized registry. (Speaking of versions up to WinXP, I'm not experienced enough with Vista to comment)
Now, OSX isn't all roses, I'm sure. I'm simply stating my personal experience from 20 years as a Windows developer, and 6 months as an OSX user.
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
My Macbook Pro barely runs if I've got Adium, iTunes, CS3, and Firefox all open at the same time, and it's worse if I'm actively switching between the two. |
On my 4Gb ram iMac I've got iMovie, iPhoto, Firefox, Quicktime and Textwrangler open on multiple desktops in OSX, I've also got Virtualbox running WinXP running Photoshop CS (until I upgrade to the OS X version of PS) and SQL Server at the same time - I've even had all the OSX apps running at the same time as Second Life; While the screen switching jitters a bit I haven't experienced any application slowdown. YMMV.
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
EDIT: On topic, I'll probably be installing Windows 7 onto my desktop later tonight to give it a whirl. My friend has had the beta on his laptop for a while and loves it. |
Let us know how you get on.
Message edited by author 2009-01-12 19:16:56. |
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01/12/2009 07:20:38 PM · #15 |
I have to agree on the OSX file system. It gets it right and being able to simply install an an app by copying some files is the way it should be. It hides the complexity of the file system without insulating the user from having to deal with it. Now if I could have OSX's unix core and file system with some of the bells and whistles of Windows....
Don't you just hate people like me that jump in on both sides of the debate?
Message edited by author 2009-01-12 19:39:50. |
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01/12/2009 08:09:30 PM · #16 |
Yeah... Let's rush in.... NOT!! I would like to say it should be better then Vista but then.... that is a pretty low bar isn't it :-/
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01/12/2009 11:52:13 PM · #17 |
OK, I haven't got my usual software set up yet, but so far, it's very slick.
The UI isn't just an XP tweak like Vista. It's very smooth and efficient. The "Superbar" works excellently and is INCREDIBLY handy. When you hover your mouse over an open application, it shows you a small preview of all the running instances of said application. When you mouse over one of the previews, it enlarges it to full size with transparency so you can get a better idea of what it is (if the preview is limiting). A simple click brings up the previewed application. I love this feature, because I usually run a lot at the same time, and it makes sorting through open applications much simpler than XP, Vista, and OSX.
Lots of other cool stuff to talk about, but I've got a pizza in the oven and if that pizza burns, I WILL murder someone. It's been a night.
Message edited by author 2009-01-12 23:53:34. |
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