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01/08/2009 09:04:05 AM · #1 |
I've just been looking through the stats for 8 recent challenges, 4 Members only and 4 Exclusive Open. I think the results are quite interesting:
...................Average Score......Median.........Highest........Lowest
ExOp..................5.5238..........5.5411.............7.1886..........3.4997
Members...........5.319............5.3401.............7.2184..........3.51
All 8....................5.4214..........5.4406.............7.2035..........3.5049
Mean refers to all scores added together and divided by the number in the challenge. Median refers to the midway score (half of entries scored above and half below this figure).
Therefore, subtracting the highest from the lowest the average range of scores for the 8 challenges above is only around 3.7 points. Assuming approx 150 entries per challenge, the average difference between one picture and the next is only 0.025 points. However, the scores are relatively well balanced in that the mean and median should be 5.5 and are actually quite close to that.
If I get time I'd like to do an analysis of 30 challenges for each year to see if there are any changes to scoring patterns across the years. It would also be nice to re-enter some old photos into new challenges to compare how they score now to, say, 3 years ago. I get the feeling they'd score lower and that standards have improved.
Before anybody else says it, yes I am sad and have too much time on my hands. However, I do feel better about my 5.62 score now in the Unlucky challenge, I predict finishing 31st. Right, now back to work.
Message edited by author 2009-01-08 09:18:23. |
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01/08/2009 09:41:55 AM · #2 |
Fits with my own judgement of things. Due to the nature of "everyone has their own opinion", the average range of ending scores get compressed down to about 1/3 of what is available.
My own judgement of my ending scores:
under 5: My entry is seriously lacking or has a very high "I don't get it" factor.
5-5 1/2: A good shot, and a non embarrassing score, but might still be lacking something.
5 1/2-6: I did a really good one and the breakdown will usually show me that more like it than disliked it.
6+: I really nailed this one. A good shot with broad appeal.
My belief is that once an entry gets over a 5.5, the battle to get higher rests more with broad appeal and wow-factor than the quality of the image.
I come away pleased if my entry ends up at over a 5 1/2.
Message edited by author 2009-01-08 09:44:07. |
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02/27/2009 01:15:02 PM · #3 |
So what is a good score?
For a Starter?
For a new member?
For a member thats been here a year , two, five?
For DPC Junkie (Pro)? |
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02/27/2009 01:22:48 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by rodfulk:
So what is a good score?
For a Starter?
For a new member?
For a member thats been here a year , two, five?
For DPC Junkie (Pro)? |
Well there's no weight placed on time spent in the institution, so a good score is the same all around and is generally considered anything 6 or higher. |
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02/27/2009 01:28:19 PM · #5 |
It's all a matter of opinion of course, but my feel is:
For a Starter?
For someone totally new to photography, that has never taken anything but a snapshot before, a high 4 seems normal and a 5+ is doing well
For a new member?
I had *some* knowledge when I started here, and a good score early on for me was a low to mid 5.
For a member thats been here a year , two, five?
That really depends on the individual and what direction they go in, as well as effort and time invested. For me, a high 5 is good, and a 6+ is a great score.
For DPC Junkie (Pro)?
Anything under a 6 is bombing for such folks. I see regular complaints in the score threads from people who wonder why their entry is doing poorly with a 6.1 average. I aspire to someday being as bad as these folks.
Message edited by author 2009-02-27 13:32:10. |
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02/27/2009 01:29:49 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Fits with my own judgement of things. Due to the nature of "everyone has their own opinion", the average range of ending scores get compressed down to about 1/3 of what is available.
My own judgement of my ending scores:
under 5: My entry is seriously lacking or has a very high "I don't get it" factor.
5-5 1/2: A good shot, and a non embarrassing score, but might still be lacking something.
5 1/2-6: I did a really good one and the breakdown will usually show me that more like it than disliked it.
6+: I really nailed this one. A good shot with broad appeal.
My belief is that once an entry gets over a 5.5, the battle to get higher rests more with broad appeal and wow-factor than the quality of the image.
I come away pleased if my entry ends up at over a 5 1/2. |
That's makes me feel a little better considering the first challenge I participated in was the gas station challenge and I scored a 5.2. I guess it also means that I need to work my ass off to get better than that. If the puzzle challenge is any indication then of that than I am correct because it's already at a point lower. |
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02/27/2009 01:30:19 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Well there's no weight placed on time spent in the institution, so a good score is the same all around and is generally considered anything 6 or higher. |
Overall by site standards, I agree. However, I interpreted his question as more of a relative thing. |
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02/27/2009 01:30:36 PM · #8 |
I have quite away to go then.
But showing some gain, I guess its to early to tell for sure.
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02/27/2009 01:50:54 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by rodfulk:
I have quite away to go then.
But showing some gain, I guess its to early to tell for sure. |
Lot of people set a goal of just beating their average score in each successive challenge. Not a bad approach. |
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02/27/2009 01:53:26 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by rodfulk:
I have quite away to go then.
But showing some gain, I guess its to early to tell for sure. |
Lot of people set a goal of just beating their average score in each successive challenge. Not a bad approach. |
This is what I've been trying to do, makes my goals more realistic, and then after time I can see how my plateau has risen. |
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02/27/2009 02:00:48 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by mikeee:
I've just been looking through the stats for 8 recent challenges, 4 Members only and 4 Exclusive Open. I think the results are quite interesting:
...................Average Score......Median.........Highest........Lowest
ExOp..................5.5238..........5.5411.............7.1886..........3.4997
Members...........5.319............5.3401.............7.2184..........3.51
All 8....................5.4214..........5.4406.............7.2035..........3.5049
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For the "groups" did you just average each group as a whole (total / 4) or weight them by # of entries?
Also how is it that the highest and lowest for all 8 are not equal to one of the categories above? or is that meant to be the average of the four lowest, average of the four highest, etc...? |
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02/27/2009 02:16:25 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Fits with my own judgement of things. Due to the nature of "everyone has their own opinion", the average range of ending scores get compressed down to about 1/3 of what is available.
My own judgement of my ending scores:
under 5: My entry is seriously lacking or has a very high "I don't get it" factor.
5-5 1/2: A good shot, and a non embarrassing score, but might still be lacking something.
5 1/2-6: I did a really good one and the breakdown will usually show me that more like it than disliked it.
6+: I really nailed this one. A good shot with broad appeal.
My belief is that once an entry gets over a 5.5, the battle to get higher rests more with broad appeal and wow-factor than the quality of the image.
I come away pleased if my entry ends up at over a 5 1/2. |
My exact philosophy.
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02/27/2009 02:47:50 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Fits with my own judgement of things. Due to the nature of "everyone has their own opinion", the average range of ending scores get compressed down to about 1/3 of what is available.
My own judgement of my ending scores:
under 5: My entry is seriously lacking or has a very high "I don't get it" factor.
5-5 1/2: A good shot, and a non embarrassing score, but might still be lacking something.
5 1/2-6: I did a really good one and the breakdown will usually show me that more like it than disliked it.
6+: I really nailed this one. A good shot with broad appeal.
My belief is that once an entry gets over a 5.5, the battle to get higher rests more with broad appeal and wow-factor than the quality of the image.
I come away pleased if my entry ends up at over a 5 1/2. |
Unless it spends the first several days in the fours... then 5 makes me happy.
Had one in the 3s and was happy it ended 4.15 or so. :)
The initial letdown after rollover passes and you take small consolation in little victories. :) |
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02/27/2009 03:17:20 PM · #14 |
Oooh, it was a while ago now, but I remember breaking out the individual votes rather than summing the averages and averaging again. The highest and lowest were the average (not weighted). I was trying to find out what an average lowest and highest score was and how average ExOp and Members challenges varied. I think it's worth further analysis of scores (hi/low/median/mean) vs type of challenge, number of entries, number of voters etc.
Of interest I also enter DPReview challenges. In the last one I only had 23 votes, compared to around 170-200 for a DPC challenge. I think it's because there are so many entrants (usually 500) that people don't make the effort to vote. The scores are much much lower too.
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by mikeee:
I've just been looking through the stats for 8 recent challenges, 4 Members only and 4 Exclusive Open. I think the results are quite interesting:
...................Average Score......Median.........Highest........Lowest
ExOp..................5.5238..........5.5411.............7.1886..........3.4997
Members...........5.319............5.3401.............7.2184..........3.51
All 8....................5.4214..........5.4406.............7.2035..........3.5049
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For the "groups" did you just average each group as a whole (total / 4) or weight them by # of entries?
Also how is it that the highest and lowest for all 8 are not equal to one of the categories above? or is that meant to be the average of the four lowest, average of the four highest, etc...? |
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02/27/2009 04:37:18 PM · #15 |
I took My five top scores found the avg. 4.5
I will use my current avg for a benchmark to show improvement.
My current Puzzled score is.
Votes: 122
Views: 195
Avg Vote: 4.3689
Comments: 1
Which is below my avg.
But it is still higher than my low end score of the best five.
Hopefully I will get more comments. |
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