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12/16/2008 09:13:52 PM · #1 |
I work as an art director in an international advertising agency. Almost exactly 3 months ago decided I would aim to become a photographer in my own right and execute my creativity from start to finish and I̢۪ve found it very refreshing being the artist rather than the director of art.
I̢۪m 20 meters away from one of the world̢۪s finest photography book collections that you could ever wish for. I have been exposed to or have had first hand recollection to some of the best photographers in the world and how they work, and a huge percent of the work which they produce would not be within the current challenge rules set.
Photography is such a multifaceted industry. It varies heavily from reportage, macro, high speed, beauty etc I mean the list literally goes on and on but in my world we use anyone style of photography and we aim to create the perfect picture. This may mean big budget to accommodate for all the needs in order to do so i.e. best location, best model, equipment, stylist etc but it also means a lot of the money does get spent on retouching and grading (post processing) to give the shot the needed wow or in fact to just achieve the concept realistically, i.e. an elephant hurdling in the Olympics in a pair of Nike trainers would have to be a number of shots combined with some heavy retouching.
I recently got disqualified for adding motion blur and sparks etc in an image which I just wouldn̢۪t of been happy with showing without the visual aid of illustrating motion and effect.
I̢۪m new here and misunderstood the rules but you can image my frustration when my pic after 3 days was comfortably floating between 8.1 and 8.4 to get disqualified. I mean rightly so as it was not in the rules (sorry wasn̢۪t cheating, just new here) but if there was a category which covered the super editing side of things that I̢۪m so accustomed to then I think those that enjoy creating this type of work could do so. Wouldn̢۪t it have been great to have had this editing rule in the recent Super Powers challenge?! Imaging how great some of the entries would have been.
So my point which I’m finally getting to is a suggestion of adding a category for ‘Expert’ to be a weekly occurrence. I’m not suggesting taking any thing away but to merely add a category for ‘Expert’ to the weekly challenges, so we have basic, advance and ‘Expert’ weekly challenges, enabling all aspects of photography to be covered.
This thread isn̢۪t to debate photoshop vs photography. It̢۪s aimed to bring to light the multifaceted styles of photography, and I̢۪m not sure that DPC covers them explicitly.
Thoughts?
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12/16/2008 09:21:51 PM · #2 |
another great photo got disqualified. it's a shame, and a waste.
i agree that the expert editing should be added as an extra each week for those who would like to try their hands on it. for those who dislike near-digital graphic stuff, can skip that entirely. no harm done. |
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12/16/2008 09:23:24 PM · #3 |
I thought your picture was awesome and I would support regularly scheduled expert(and minimal) challenges. 6 per year of each???
Message edited by author 2008-12-16 21:23:39. |
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12/16/2008 09:52:22 PM · #4 |
| yeh, expert challenges would be cool. of course id suck at them, but it would be a great oppertunity for those editing experts out there to show off there stuff |
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12/16/2008 09:53:52 PM · #5 |
| how about a straight up digital art challenge anything goes |
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12/16/2008 09:54:59 PM · #6 |
| hat would have some scary awesome photos in it. id love to see what dpc is capable of |
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12/16/2008 10:02:34 PM · #7 |
| I love your portfolio and agree with you whole-heartedly. I would love to see way more expert editing. |
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12/16/2008 10:19:50 PM · #8 |
| Woop - joining the expert editing bandwagon! Please! |
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12/16/2008 10:23:52 PM · #9 |
| The subject has come up before and I think it would be a great idea for an occasional change of pace. I would not want to see this become a straight up photoshopping site, however. |
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12/16/2008 10:33:55 PM · #10 |
| i used to think that expert editing is silly as it turns a photograph into something else, but after seeing how it could really make a good photo great (check out shetland's photos) i think expert editing does have a place on DPC. when used properly, it can create amazing photos. |
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12/16/2008 10:41:17 PM · #11 |
| anyone want to have a expert editing side challenge ? |
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12/16/2008 10:45:22 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by electrolost:
anyone want to have a expert editing side challenge ? |
i will vote in it:) thats it though |
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12/16/2008 10:53:49 PM · #13 |
I would sign up for sure! Taking photoshop to the max every once in a while is a good thing for me, and it's been too long since I've done that.
It forces you to really sit back and study your photo to take it a step farther. |
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12/16/2008 10:56:37 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by cynthiann:
I would sign up for sure! Taking photoshop to the max every once in a while is a good thing for me, and it's been too long since I've done that.
It forces you to really sit back and study your photo to take it a step farther. |
yes, and allow total freedom of alterations possible to create that photo you had in mind.
but i'll probably just be voting on this one, coz i lack the skills |
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12/16/2008 11:33:45 PM · #15 |
| Maybe there could be two mamber challenges each week when the rollover comes in on Mondays. One would be the usual advanced editing, the other would be under expert editing as proposed here. They would also be exclusive, as is the case with the open challenges (i.e. enter one, but not both). ;^) |
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12/16/2008 11:37:35 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Pug-H:
Maybe there could be two mamber challenges each week when the rollover comes in on Mondays. One would be the usual advanced editing, the other would be under expert editing as proposed here. They would also be exclusive, as is the case with the open challenges (i.e. enter one, but not both). ;^) |
Yeah, or maybe take turns between advanced and expert?... so as not to 'spread out' the voters (as sometimes happens when more than 3 challenges are being voted on). |
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12/27/2008 09:12:51 AM · #17 |
| If any moderators read this thread would really like to get your thoughts on this? |
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12/27/2008 10:00:11 AM · #18 |
Why not have it as a side challenge then, if a few of you want to post 'expert editing' shots, run a side challenge to gauge the popularity. If there's a lot of entries there then who knows, DPC might take it up as a more organised thing.
I personally wouldn't enter as my PS skills are nowhere near good enough, but I would love to see some of the stuff the expert folk could come up with! |
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12/27/2008 12:35:28 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:
Why not have it as a side challenge then, if a few of you want to post 'expert editing' shots, run a side challenge to gauge the popularity. If there's a lot of entries there then who knows, DPC might take it up as a more organised thing.
I personally wouldn't enter as my PS skills are nowhere near good enough, but I would love to see some of the stuff the expert folk could come up with! |
Sounds great, I'm newish here how do we set up a side challenge? |
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12/27/2008 12:46:58 PM · #20 |
| I certainly see how this is art, don't get me wrong, I love PS worked photos (Bryan Nevin=CRAZY), but I think one of the main focuses of the challenges is to really flex your skills in the natural side of things. The image above would be possible to get without Photoshop work (ND filter, zoom during the exposure for motion blur. Sparklers/small firecrackers for the sparks would be one way to do it). I'm not going to say that it's easier one way or the other, both are equally challenging (for me, PS is harder, I SUCK at composites), but the idea is to get it in camera though various set ups. That said, I'm all for having some "advanced" editing challenges. I think it has it's place here for sure and I would love to see what you guys come up with. |
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12/27/2008 06:42:49 PM · #21 |
Considering that the Internet is virtual space.... as long as the hard drives hold out, DPC should be big enough for everyone.
While I tend towards more natural photography, as opposed to extreme digitally enhanced photography, I'd like to think that there is room enough for both.
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, if you are strongly attracted to one you can always ignore the other. Some may want to do it all...
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12/27/2008 07:45:08 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by shetland:
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:
Why not have it as a side challenge then, if a few of you want to post 'expert editing' shots, run a side challenge to gauge the popularity. If there's a lot of entries there then who knows, DPC might take it up as a more organised thing.
I personally wouldn't enter as my PS skills are nowhere near good enough, but I would love to see some of the stuff the expert folk could come up with! |
Sounds great, I'm newish here how do we set up a side challenge? |
It's simple insofar as there are no 'site rules' to stop you from doing it - you don't have to apply for permission or anything.
I would suggest that what you need to do is to start a thread - not unlike this one - asking who is interested in taking part and perhaps discussing the format of the challenge (e.g. strictures/limitations - are imported images allowed or should it be 'all my own wurk'? - no holds barred? etc etc). You could use the expert editing rules that already exist, or whatever rocks your mode of water transport, as it were. You won't have the voting system the site has for pukkah challenges, so it would pretty much be a show and discuss thing. If there's feedback on such a thread then you could call it a ball and set it rolling.
As I understand it, the saga of said rolling ball might be enough for mr and mrs dpc to have such challenges in the formal framework. I think that's what  Covert_Oddity meant... |
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12/27/2008 07:45:51 PM · #23 |
| My PS skills are not very good but I would love to see what everyone comes up with. Would be great if 'how to' details were added. Would love to learn more. |
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12/27/2008 08:03:50 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by shetland:
.... add a category for ‘Expert’ to the weekly challenges... |
How about monthly, like expert free study? |
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12/27/2008 08:12:34 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
Originally posted by shetland:
.... add a category for ‘Expert’ to the weekly challenges... |
How about monthly, like expert free study? |
Monthly expert is reasonable - I'd be happy with that - but would prefer a topical monthly expert challenge. |
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