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12/02/2008 05:44:17 AM · #1 |
I'm not a great photographer, in fact i'm rather plain at the moment, but looking at the pictures in the challenge posts(they are fantastic), most people are taking 3 + shots merging them and messing with them in photoshop, I do a small amount of that myself in aperture, but my question is,
Has photography become photoshop & aperture and the actually setting the camera up secondary now, or is this the way forward
your thoughts please
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12/02/2008 08:24:34 AM · #2 |
| Who has one of those little popcorn animations? |
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12/02/2008 08:55:32 AM · #3 |
Here you go... 
To answer the question that was asked, there is often a fine line between photography and digital art, which is why we have such restrictive challenge rules here. It is often easy to cross over the line. The other side of the coin is that artistic manipulation of images is nothing new. It has become easier by using computers, but many of the techniques originated in darkrooms.
In the real world, however, anything goes and the end result is all that matters. If you are a photographer for an advertising agency, for instance, the end result of your work can be as much computer generated as original image. That being said, the better your camera work, the less one has to do afterwards.
I put extra butter on the popcorn. Hope that is to everyone's preference. I can pop some more if the thread goes on a while.
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 09:03:12. |
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12/02/2008 08:59:56 AM · #4 |
Well here is the popcorn :)...
To the OP, this debate has been fairly raging on DPC recently, and I have yet to sound off on the issue. Well here goes nothing.
In this digital age, I think it is impossible to completely separate ANY image from processing, regardless of whether it is RAW or JPEG. If the former, you have raw date from the camera, and your're going to have to run some kind of algorithm in a piece of software (Aperture, Photoshop etc.) to turn those numbers into a viewable image. If you shoot JPEG then the camera does some this for you.
I have never shot film, but I seems to me that as long as photography has been around processing had been around too. In every one of these types of threads you will here someone say that Ansel Adams spent countless hours in a dark room messing around with his negatives.
Ultimately photography is form of expression - you express your emotions, preferences, and vision through your images. I think processing is a tool available to the photographer to "massage" their images to communiucate their vision more effectively, at least in their eyes.
With respect to HDR and similar techniques, I thing it can be effective when it is applied to certain images, but in general, as with many popular trends, it is over used. Because it is designed to give images more "pop", it has been used on many mediocre images (I'm not saying that all HDR shots are mediocre though). As a result, I think people on this site get fustrated when they take a "very out of the box" artistic image, adn it gets beaten by a more conventional shot that has been HDRed. To this I say who cares, if you like your image you, you like your image, and no one can take that away from you. It is more a function of the layout of DPC (and the fact that there is almost no way spend 5 minutes or more looking at each image before you vote).
Do what you want to. Like what you want to like, and don't put too much stock in the votes you recieve here. Great images are timeless, regarless of how much/how little processings there is.
Sorry, I guess I got A little carried away. This is just my $.02.
I hope I have offended many of you, let the fur fly! :).
ETA: someone added popcorn animation.
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 09:00:58. |
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12/02/2008 09:04:51 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by jarjar:
... but my question is,
Has photography become photoshop & aperture and the actually setting the camera up secondary now, or is this the way forward
your thoughts please |
I've often seen the opinion expressed that the traditional darkroom has become computerized. The camera is still primary. In years (now, decades) past there were relatively fewer photographers who had the opportunity to use a darkrooms; now almost anyone interested in becoming a more serious photographer has easy access to all of the post-processing power they could hope to utilize.
Just one guy's opinion. |
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12/02/2008 09:05:22 AM · #6 |
I think that about sums it up...
PP is now available to everyone so we see more of it. Sometimes I find it touches on graphic art. But if I like it, I like it.
Different people/sites have different preferences.
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 09:11:54. |
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12/02/2008 09:08:37 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by sjl2116:
don't put too much stock in the votes you recieve here. |
Excellent advice. One must try to not get insulted, but instead to interpret the feedback to determine if your entry was truly lacking or if it was just not to the taste of the majority. Even getting a 5 with no comments is a form of feedback. You just need to figure out what it is telling you. (and if you care)
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 09:09:44. |
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12/02/2008 09:11:50 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by jarjar:
I'm not a great photographer, in fact i'm rather plain at the moment, but looking at the pictures in the challenge posts(they are fantastic), most people are taking 3 + shots merging them and messing with them in photoshop, I do a small amount of that myself in aperture, but my question is,
Has photography become photoshop & aperture and the actually setting the camera up secondary now, or is this the way forward
your thoughts please |
You should supply the mentioned images because that isn't allowed except for HDR or DOF images that require more than one exposure. Personally, I shoot with hopes that when I do open the image in ps that I won't have anything to do to it except maybe a frame or slight crop. But usually my style is, crop or frame, expose properly and get the colours right through exposure, all in camera, that's how I was taught. PS is a bonus for me. I sharpen and adjust colours only because everyone else does it on this site and it gives you an edge in voting. My personal stuff I never sharpen because I'm satisfied with them when viewing them alone in their environment (wall). |
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