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12/09/2003 11:40:18 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by hmpix:
But do you really think that sending an e-mail and requesting an answer within 2-3 days is enough? |
Yes.
Originally posted by jonpink:
OK OK OK, 2 days 4 days whatever is enough time I agree. BUT...what if after 7 days the person in question returns from holiday or gives a good explanation as to why they didn't reply, will he/her have their image reinstated IF the submit their image and it is deemed to fall within the rules of DPC? That's more what I am asking rather than how long the have to respond. |
I don't think the rules provide for any appeal of the Site Council's decision. SC may decide to reconsider if they think it is in the best interests of DPC as a whole, but must keep in mind that to do so may set a precedent that could be a burden in the future, and may not be viewed as "fair" if applied to past situations.
Having the results finalized within a reasonable time period is in the interests of DPC as a whole. |
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12/09/2003 12:44:17 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by amazoneea:
What if he never received the request? For some strange reason, all the e.mails I receive from DPC (but not the PM from users) I find on my bulk mail. I have it set to delete after 30 days but I could choose to delete right after receiving. What if the same thing happened to him? |
I think it is part of the registration requirement that you supply a valid email address, that is, one from which you can be reached from DPC. If your ISP or email program are set to filter out messages from DPC as "bulk mail" or "spam" you will have to modify your settings -- DPC cannot change its email domain. Most filters have an option to specifically allow mail from certain accounts or domains. |
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12/09/2003 12:51:15 PM · #53 |
I agree 2 days is enough, but since it actually says the 2 day time limit within the e-mail, and not on the site rules, it's understandable for a person not to think twice about it.. how could i guess that i only had 2 days to respond, HAD i received a disqualification notice but not checked? like someone said, you'd basically have to check your e-mails every day just to make sure, but you wouldn't do that if you didnt know about the 2 day rule :) vicious circle, that needs to be broken..
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12/09/2003 12:52:07 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by bormic:
Just a suggestion.
Indicate under the picture that an examination for DQ has been asked and that the ranking is not official till examination is completed. This way everybody would know. |
Fine, and let's post a poll on the front page, too, so everyone can vote in actuality as well as comment about how they'd vote in various forum threads.
Then the SC can loot the profits from DPC Prints and take that well-deserved vacation in Fiji. |
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12/09/2003 01:14:58 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by hmpix:
But do you really think that sending an e-mail and requesting an answer within 2-3 days is enough? |
Yes.
Originally posted by jonpink:
OK OK OK, 2 days 4 days whatever is enough time I agree. BUT...what if after 7 days the person in question returns from holiday or gives a good explanation as to why they didn't reply, will he/her have their image reinstated IF the submit their image and it is deemed to fall within the rules of DPC? That's more what I am asking rather than how long the have to respond. |
I don't think the rules provide for any appeal of the Site Council's decision. SC may decide to reconsider if they think it is in the best interests of DPC as a whole, but must keep in mind that to do so may set a precedent that could be a burden in the future, and may not be viewed as "fair" if applied to past situations.
Having the results finalized within a reasonable time period is in the interests of DPC as a whole. |
Is it specified somewhere that the response by the photographer has to be done within 2-3 days? I have not seen it!!! If it is not specified how come they have decided this??? What is reasonable delay??? If it's a rule, make it clear.
So what if it creates a precedent, if it is to prove that the photo was indeed meeting the requirements and rules of DPC.
Message edited by author 2003-12-09 13:17:55. |
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12/09/2003 01:36:37 PM · #56 |
The time limit is stated in the emails that are sent to the user. This has been mentioned a few times in this thread. It does state in the rules though, that if we don't get a response, the photo in question is disqualified.
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12/09/2003 03:04:16 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by hmpix:
I can go on internet easily from anywhere, but I can't access my home E-mail adress...
If I have to check my home address on a DAILY BASIS for a month after the submission, I just can't and I will leave!
I'm very disappointed!!!!!!! |
FWIW, there are several ways you can check your home e-mail over the web. The first place to look would be your ISP. Most have some sort of web interface to their e-mail system. The second is to sign up for a free account at Yahoo. Once you have the account set up, you can configure it to check one or more POP e-mail accounts and download any messages to your Yahoo account. (You can move them, or just copy them and leave the original on the server to download when you get home. There are probably lots of other web interfaces for checking e-mail.
Or... once you have the Yahoo account, just use that as your registered e-mail address here. That's what I do. I usually check it once or twice a day, usually when I'm checking in here. Not only to check for DQ e-mails, but members often respond to comments and forum posts personally.
As far as checking your email on a daily basis for a month: If you take the time to check in here (as some of the SC members have indicated you did), it doesn't take much extra time to check your e-mail at the same time. And DQs can be requested (at least according to the rules) for 1 week following the end of the challenge, so no need to follow up for a month. And, for that matter, no you don't have to check your e-mail, ever. But you do have to live with the consequences if you don't.
Everyone's being reasonable here, though it may not feel that way to you at the moment. Hopefully you'll find that it's not all that big a burden to check your e-mail regularly. |
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12/09/2003 03:27:51 PM · #58 |
| Good that I was not in the top 3 as after submission I was sent on an urgent trip for a week without a computer not speaking about an internet access... Though I would have accepted the consequences in case of the DQ as this was my personal problem (internet access). |
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12/09/2003 05:01:57 PM · #59 |
There has to be a degree of realism here and somewhere where the line gets drawn. I think the SC are more than reasonable here.
What is the point in giving someone, say, a week to respond and when they don't DQ them but oops, too late to even show the new third place as the pics have been taken off the front page.
To me the only adjustment here, is any, is maybe state there is a 48 hour (or whatever) time frame to respond to a DQ request in the rules.
Yes, some people will be on vacation and miss it, tough, life it not always fair. To expect the rest of the world to wait just in case they return in a week is ridiculous.
I imagine a lot of DQ requests never get responded too as the person has been caught out. How long in general should the SC wait for to hear back, a week, a month?
In this case the guy logged into the account, the SC could see he was online. They waited a more than reasonable time and then DQ'd. It was not unreasonable to think that as he was logging in but not supplying the photo that he maybe had no intention of doing so.
Yes, there are a million reasons why it should happen any given way .... but give the SC some credit for trying to do the right thing bu the majority of users, and not have to pander for every single "what if ...." scenario there is.
Suggestions of asking for the DQ on a forum are even less valid than any way. Apart from the fact that I do not believe this is the place to discuss a potential DQ, many people never even read the forums. Request them here and you'll have even more people saying it was unfair.
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12/09/2003 06:11:12 PM · #60 |
No where in my e-mail from DPC it was written that I had a so short delay to answer. NO where in the disqualification rules it is written that we can be disqualified because a delay longer then "expacted" (expacted where and by who I still don't know).
I'm disapointed because I was proud of my 2nd place, I was proud of my photo and now it has been removed for a reason that is not clear to me AT ALL. All this, seems to be based on what is called "under reasonable delay!!". They had 1 full week and 3days to ask for the proof and I would have 3-4 days (not specified) to send it unless i will be disqualified!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will ask to remove my account from DP Challenge. I'm still not familiar with this contest, the Expresso Aroma photo was my first submission, but what came after didn't give the will to continue here.
Thanks for everyone that send me good remarks about my submission and took my part in this forum, it was very appreciated.
Goodbye. |
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12/09/2003 08:12:58 PM · #61 |
I hate to see someone go especially when they have demonstrated some photographic skills. That being said, if their first submission engenders this kind of confusion and breakdown in communication perhaps other venues exist that are more suited for their artwork and internet habits. Hopefully hmpix will cool off and consider that he's the unfortunate one-in-a-million (as this doesn't seem to have caused a problem before) who's experience is a cautionary tale for others and he'll continue to post impressive artwork. If not, then I still stand behind the SC and their attempts in good faith to work within the rules of the site.
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12/09/2003 08:16:35 PM · #62 |
If I was Hmpix, I would still submit my file, just to vindicate himself , he would have nothing to lose. Then truth would be known, I couldnt walk away, letting people think I tried to pull a fast one.
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12/09/2003 08:34:07 PM · #63 |
You know,,,if I had a photo that made one of the top three spots, I'd be online checking for more comments on a daily basis. Seems a little bit fishy that hmpix had been online so many times after the DQ and didn't notice that it was gone from the DPC Home page. If I had been online(and it has been indicated that hmpix was), and I saw that my photo was no longer a ribbon holder, I'd be contacting someone. Or am I the only one who would become that narcissistic! I'd be curious to see the required file.
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12/09/2003 08:37:49 PM · #64 |
| When it disappeared from the home page is AFTER the DQ had been ruled on ... too late then. But as someone else said, if I had a ribbon-winner I'd be checking my email for PM/comments. |
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12/09/2003 09:22:17 PM · #65 |
I believe that several requests for proof had been made for this shot, and they all went unanswered. I'm confident that the Site Council as a whole did everything in its power to ask for a reasonable response, and acted appropriately so that the new 3rd place winner could enjoy a spot on the front page for a brief period of time before the challenge was archived.
I've been a part of this group for a short time, but I have seen first hand that the "DQ Button" isn't pressed without good reason, nor is it done without a great deal of discussion if there is any doubt. DQ'ing an image is not something that's done on a hair-trigger response, unless there's a blantantly obvious violation of the rules involved. |
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12/09/2003 09:55:28 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
If I was Hmpix, I would still submit my file, just to vindicate himself , he would have nothing to lose. Then truth would be known, I couldnt walk away, letting people think I tried to pull a fast one. |
I think that would have been the first thing I did, after posting in this forum. Let the original speak for itself. The decision may not get reversed, but at least you can have the "final word" (although I don't think this should be a reason to leave) with your proof. |
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12/09/2003 09:59:43 PM · #67 |
| That's indeed the 1st thing I did. |
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12/09/2003 10:42:00 PM · #68 |
I have a question: I got a good finish in a recent challenge and as I usually read my E-Mails at home once or twice a week. Starting tonight, I will look at my E-Mails once a day to verify any DQ request coming about that one. How long should I perform this?
Message edited by author 2003-12-09 22:44:13. |
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12/09/2003 10:44:41 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by darix:
I have a question: I got a good finish in a recent challenge and as I usually read my E-Mail at home once or twice a week. Starting tonight, I will look at my E-Mails once a day to verify any DQ request coming about that one. How long should I perform this? |
Forever!
hehe
Just Kidding. I would imagine until the week is up & the challenge is no longer displayed on the front page.
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12/09/2003 10:45:24 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by darix:
I have a question: I got a good finish in a recent challenge and as I usually read my E-Mail at home once or twice a week. Starting tonight, I will look at my E-Mails once a day to verify any DQ request coming about that one. How long should I perform this? |
You should use an e-mail for your DPChallenge account where you can be contacted within 48 hours for validating a challenge entry. This is regardless of winning or not.
Drew |
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12/09/2003 10:52:15 PM · #71 |
I contacted your email provider and got some useful information for you if you do travel a lot. You will be happy to know that you actually CAN check your email while you are away from home. Here is the response I got from your email provider...
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The easiest way to be able to receive your Videotron e-mails in another
address is to configure a Yahoo, Caramail (or any other free e-mail) so
that it will verify the e-mail arrival from their site. To do this, you
will need to go to the options menu in the section of your free
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12/09/2003 11:02:37 PM · #72 |
Thanks Heather. Useful infos for me too (same provider).
I'm really (seriously...) sad that there was no settlement to correct this. Bottomline, someone is quitting DPC with a bad taste around a clean-cut rule not being written (no offense to anyone here).
In a more constructive way, I suggest that this rule being modified to avoid future occurencies. The answer time for a DQ request being clearly stated in the general rules.
Message edited by author 2003-12-09 23:12:59. |
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12/09/2003 11:27:22 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by darix:
Thanks Heather. Useful infos for me too (same provider).
I'm really (seriously...) sad that there was no settlement to correct this. Bottomline, someone is quitting DPC with a bad taste around a clean-cut rule not being written (no offense to anyone here).
In a more constructive way, I suggest that this rule being modified to avoid future occurencies. The answer time for a DQ request being clearly stated in the general rules. |
However, HAD this been stated in the general rules, the photographer would not have been able to submit proof in time anyway, and still would have been disqualified. So I guess I'm not understanding this argument. |
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12/09/2003 11:38:46 PM · #74 |
"Can't we all just get along?"
/smile |
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12/09/2003 11:52:27 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Originally posted by darix:
Thanks Heather. Useful infos for me too (same provider).
I'm really (seriously...) sad that there was no settlement to correct this. Bottomline, someone is quitting DPC with a bad taste around a clean-cut rule not being written (no offense to anyone here).
In a more constructive way, I suggest that this rule being modified to avoid future occurencies. The answer time for a DQ request being clearly stated in the general rules. |
However, HAD this been stated in the general rules, the photographer would not have been able to submit proof in time anyway, and still would have been disqualified. So I guess I'm not understanding this argument. |
Since it's not in the rles that you only have 2 days to respond to a DQ request, he wasn't expecting any urgencies as far as e-mails from DPC goes.. Since the time limit of 2 days is in the actual e-mail thats sent, and not in the rules.. you dont know that until you actually open it.. Had it been in the rules, he would have atleast known to check his e-mails every day atleast,... some people dont/cant do that.. if he knew he only had 2 days to respond to it, should he get one, he'd have tried to check his e-mails (even though he apparently couldn't for the time of the DQ request, which means he would have missed it anyway)...
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