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11/10/2008 12:41:42 PM · #1 |
Since installing LR2 a few months ago, it seems the images don't look as good as when still in-camera. I've gotten halfway decent with getting the exposure right during photo sessions & the saturation & contrast always seem accurate.
When I import them to LR2, the pics look good for about 1-2 seconds (while the screen shows 'rendering') but then they lose a LOT of saturation & gamut / tonal range. Then it takes forever to edit each one back to where it started... can someone please help?
Thx!
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11/10/2008 12:48:55 PM · #2 |
Are you doing this with JPEG or raw files? I find that my raw files continue to look great in LR2, while my jpegs do just what you describe. I have quit importing jpegs into LR just because I always delete them anyway.
Matt
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11/10/2008 12:50:14 PM · #3 |
| Are you using the camera profiles? |
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11/10/2008 01:59:26 PM · #4 |
I always shoot RAW for clients.
Don't believe any camera profiles are being used but, if so, where do I turn them off? |
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11/10/2008 02:03:04 PM · #5 |
| What you see initially is the jpeg preview embedded in the raw. LR then quickly replaces that with its own preview since it doesn't recognize picture style settings from cameras. Sucks eh? |
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11/10/2008 02:05:18 PM · #6 |
When you import LR initially shows the JPG that is embedded in the RAW file until it has decoded the RAW file. So what you are seeing for those couple of seconds is the JPG that was processed by the camera. That of course is going to look much more saturated.
If you can get some basic settings for saturation/contrast that you like on your RAW files you can save those as a preset. You can then click on the preset to quickly apply those settings or better yet there is a place in the import dialog where you can specify a preset to apply to all imported photos. |
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11/10/2008 03:35:30 PM · #7 |
This has been explained pretty well in previous posts. I'll add a couple of thoughts --
Another way to bridge the perceived "jump" in color saturation would be to check your in-camera image settings (i.e. on my Nikon, it's under the Shooting Menu -> Optimize Image -> Custom -> (sharpening/tone/color/saturation/hue adjustments). While these type of settings will have no impact on your raw files, they *will* impact the embedded preview image. If you have cranked up your in-camera settings to high/vivid saturation, you'll start with a potentially over-processed image to start with, and your default LR settings will most likely flatten it out.
Also, consider your LR default settings for "Presence" adjustments (clarity/vibrance/saturation). You can bump those up to match more of what is coming out of your camera previews, then either set that as a default (see Develop -> Set Default Settings...), or create presets you can apply at import-time. You could also create presets and quickly apply them to collections of images via the Quick Develop panel.
Finally, if you haven't already, I would *highly* recommend installing the ACR/DNG Profiles (see this thread for some discussion). For me, moving from the previous defaults ACR 3.6 and ACR 4.4 to Adobe standard beta made a very noticable improvement. So much so, that when I converted "previously developed" images to the new camera calibration profile, I had to turn DOWN vibrance and saturation.
You can also use the profiles to mimic in-camera rendering -- so you could leave those settings I mentioned above turned on, then use the camera profile to match, and LR would start out with a very similar rendering compared to your camera's preview.
The only pain with using the camera profiles is that you'll need to be careful to "re-adjust" your develop settings. (i.e. applying a "vivid" camera profile to an image you have already adjusted to be colorful will probably result in a WAY-more-vivid-than-you-intended image. :) I'd consider resetting your develop setting to Adobe defaults (Shift-click the reset button at the bottom/right of the Develop module) when experimenting with the camera profiles, then tuning your develop settings from there, and save as a new default or preset once you are happy.
Just some thoughts.
Message edited by author 2008-11-10 15:40:17. |
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11/10/2008 04:05:41 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
What you see initially is the jpeg preview embedded in the raw. LR then quickly replaces that with its own preview since it doesn't recognize picture style settings from cameras. Sucks eh? |
Further to what cdrice said, if you download the profiles and install them you will be able to achieve very close approximations to the in camera picture styles.. They work really well and will put the pop back into your images without any work involved. I can only speak for Canon profiles but they have even named the profiles the same as the inbuilt picture styles (Landscape, Portrait etc.), however you will only be presented with the available profiles for the camera you shot the image with so you will not be able to add the Canon Landscape picture style to a Nikon raw file..
Regarding colourspace, I didn't think RAW was subject to the colourspace setting (sRGB or AdobeRGB) and it was only applied to JPGs the camera created.
Bear in mind that Lightroom works in the ProRGB colourspace and you select the colourspace to convert to when exporting JPGs from LR. So I am guessing here that when importing JPGs into LR they may be still in sRGB or AdobeRGB but displaying in the ProRGB colourspace, which isnt very helpful at all really as one could expect a certain amount of colour shift.
Message edited by author 2008-11-10 16:06:13. |
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11/10/2008 10:16:50 PM · #9 |
thanks everyone.
i'd figured that there was some color space & rendering preview difference, but i already shoot in ProRGB. i don't use any in-camera saturation or contrast boosts either (thats what presets & actions are for, imo)
anyway, i downloaded the 'camera profiles beta 2' from adobe, and it has helped greatly over ACR4.4!
so very glad to not need tweaking on every single pic anymore - thanks again!
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11/17/2008 05:25:55 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by violinist123:
What you see initially is the jpeg preview embedded in the raw. LR then quickly replaces that with its own preview since it doesn't recognize picture style settings from cameras. Sucks eh? |
Further to what cdrice said, if you download the profiles and install them you will be able to achieve very close approximations to the in camera picture styles.. They work really well and will put the pop back into your images without any work involved. I can only speak for Canon profiles but they have even named the profiles the same as the inbuilt picture styles (Landscape, Portrait etc.), however you will only be presented with the available profiles for the camera you shot the image with so you will not be able to add the Canon Landscape picture style to a Nikon raw file.. |
So I just downloaded and installed these. Pretty close to the in-camera styles, but no monochrome. The one setting on the 5D it would be nice to have 'in the can'. Anyone know if someone has made one with the profile editor? |
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