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 11/05/2008 02:30:46 PM · #51
Originally posted by chromeydome:
... As a test, a challenge or two could be special "watermarks allowed--not required" puppies. I suspect that images with watermarks will score poorly compared to those without--but a a couple of "test" challenges could prove or disprove that. We would also get to see what percentage of entrants would actually take advantage of the watermark allowance. ...

As stated earlier a couple of times...no watermarks would be applied to challenge entries while in voting.

In a simple nutshell - give members the option of watermarking challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting.
 11/05/2008 03:57:46 PM · #52
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
... As a test, a challenge or two could be special "watermarks allowed--not required" puppies. I suspect that images with watermarks will score poorly compared to those without--but a a couple of "test" challenges could prove or disprove that. We would also get to see what percentage of entrants would actually take advantage of the watermark allowance. ...

As stated earlier a couple of times...no watermarks would be applied to challenge entries while in voting.

In a simple nutshell - give members the option of watermarking challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting.


You and bassman already have the option to watermark your portfolio photos but are not taking advantage of it. Why? Do you just want to protect only your challenge photos?

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 15:59:42.
 11/05/2008 06:56:12 PM · #53
Ok, just looked at something on Amazon today..needing the picture of a book..and that sight won't allow you to copy and paste or to right click on an image...what do they have the does this? It's exactly what we need.
 11/05/2008 07:04:35 PM · #54
Originally posted by chromeydome:

Since some of the benefit of the site is members posting an image, asking for suggestions--a global right-click prevention would hinder the "here's my edit suggestion" sorta exchange



No it wouldn't at all. Simply upload the pic to flickr or photobucket or where ever and post a link to it so others can d/l and edit it. When the thread runs it's course take the image down. Simple. :)
 11/05/2008 07:05:47 PM · #55
Originally posted by yanko:

You and bassman already have the option to watermark your portfolio photos but are not taking advantage of it. Why? Do you just want to protect only your challenge photos?


The only images in my portfolio are challenge entries. :)
 11/05/2008 07:29:21 PM · #56
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Ok, just looked at something on Amazon today..needing the picture of a book..and that sight won't allow you to copy and paste or to right click on an image...what do they have the does this? It's exactly what we need.


Are you referring to something like this? That's an Acrobat PDF. It wouldn't work well here given the increased functionality we have on the photo pages. It would be better to convert DPC into a flash based site since that offers far more web functionality while still providing the same level of image protection that PDF provides, along with the same vulnerablities such as print screen captures.

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 19:37:09.
 11/05/2008 07:59:38 PM · #57
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by yanko:

You and bassman already have the option to watermark your portfolio photos but are not taking advantage of it. Why? Do you just want to protect only your challenge photos?


The only images in my portfolio are challenge entries. :)


Ah. FWIW, you should probably have the right to add watermarks to your photos. They are yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with them even if that means trying to protect them in futile ways. :)
 10/16/2009 02:48:34 PM · #58
Originally posted by glad2badad:
In a simple nutshell - give members the option of watermarking challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting.

I still think this is a good idea - even more so if DPC goes to 800x800 on challenge entries.
 10/16/2009 02:59:31 PM · #59
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
In a simple nutshell - give members the option of watermarking challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting.

I still think this is a good idea - even more so if DPC goes to 800x800 on challenge entries.

agree
 10/16/2009 03:16:05 PM · #60
I have no idea why there is such reluctance to integrate a feature like this. The copyright notice on the images may as well be replaced with a notice stating our images are available for free.

This one aspect of this site has greatly reduced my challenge participation to the point I'm questioning renewing my paid membership.
 10/16/2009 03:47:11 PM · #61
I never understand a lot of the folks who argue against these measures.

DPC exists for the use and enjoyment of the members - we support it with our membership fees. We should be protected. So disable right-click and watermark the heck out of the site for everybody but logged-in, paid members; for them, remove the obnoxious generic watermarks, but still allow them the option to watermark their own images if they'd like.

The casual visitor who just likes to browse our images and "borrow" them will at least be slowed down, and will have to deal with big watermarks on every single image. The person who sees the site and wants to join for the full experience gets to pay their $25 (or more) to enjoy the less-restricted version, and the current members who want protections get it.

Yes, thieves can still join up and steal images - but at least we'd be taking their money in the process! Still wouldn't be a perfect solution, but perhaps a better one?
 10/16/2009 05:09:36 PM · #62
Originally posted by ambaker:
There are plenty of sites that do no let you right-click to save images. Seems to me we could at least do that. Also I would think that they could also stop people from direct linking to images. I've put images on a couple of hosting sites that I found later would not let me direct link to the image.

I don't know if the direct link thing would require it to be in a members only area or not. (That might be a reason to buy membership. Better protection for your images.)

Although I have nothing here I would be upset about someone using, who knows some day I might be good enough to care and I support those of you who do want their work protected.


You do realise in Firefox for example you just go to Tools > Page info > media and you can completely bypass any "disabled" right click menus. Just remember, no matter what youy try to do to stop people saving images, there is always, always a way around it.

The only way to make sure people can't use them without people seeing who it belongs to is to watermark.
 10/16/2009 05:36:26 PM · #63
Example, BetterPhoto is protecting right click issue.
 10/16/2009 05:42:29 PM · #64
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Yes, thieves can still join up and steal images - but at least we'd be taking their money in the process! Still wouldn't be a perfect solution, but perhaps a better one?

I believe it is Langdon who is taking their money, not "we". Unless you have a better deal than I am getting.
 10/16/2009 05:55:32 PM · #65
Originally posted by Ristyz:
I would like the OPTION of being able to add a watermark AFTER the challenge. It would be a nice bonus to have on my DPC images. That is all.


I agree and like this option.
 10/16/2009 06:12:21 PM · #66
Originally posted by ErikV:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Yes, thieves can still join up and steal images - but at least we'd be taking their money in the process! Still wouldn't be a perfect solution, but perhaps a better one?

I believe it is Langdon who is taking their money, not "we". Unless you have a better deal than I am getting.

So Langdon takes their money. It his site after all. It's just that from his standpoint, I don't see what he stands to lose by implementing some security measures.
 10/16/2009 10:13:50 PM · #67
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
In a simple nutshell - give members the option of watermarking challenge entry photos after the challenge has finished voting.

I still think this is a good idea - even more so if DPC goes to 800x800 on challenge entries.


You were supposed to wait til November 5th to revive this dead thread. Jeezzzzz.
 10/17/2009 02:06:34 AM · #68
Originally posted by alanfreed:
My feeling has always been that if you have a picture that you're worried about people stealing, don't put it on the Internet in any way, shape or form.

Watermarking the images would suck a lot of the enjoyment out of voting on the challenges, in my opinion.


EXACTLY!
 10/17/2009 02:20:08 AM · #69
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
My feeling has always been that if you have a picture that you're worried about people stealing, don't put it on the Internet in any way, shape or form.

Watermarking the images would suck a lot of the enjoyment out of voting on the challenges, in my opinion.


EXACTLY!


But to further that, the watermarking aspect may impair the enjoyment of the viewers but it would greatly offer a proactive and tangible solution for a problem which seems to be running rampant. This is a legitimate concern and by suggesting we "don't post images on the web" is dismissive and would shut down this site. There are measures, like watermarking, that are available and used on some other sites.

The tone is very quiet when this issue is pressed when all that needs to happen is a formal survey verifying a submitters concern and secondly a venue in which we solicit solutions within the community.
 10/17/2009 09:11:24 AM · #70
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
My feeling has always been that if you have a picture that you're worried about people stealing, don't put it on the Internet in any way, shape or form.

Watermarking the images would suck a lot of the enjoyment out of voting on the challenges, in my opinion.


EXACTLY!


Again, why couldn't it be setup so that when you logged in as a paid member, the watermarks went away - at least for voting (after voting, members could opt to still display a smaller one in a corner or something).

If you don't like seeing the watermarks as a registered user, you could upgrade to a paid membership. And again, better for the site, better for the photogs.
 10/17/2009 09:57:07 AM · #71
I think the best suggestion so far is to have a checkbox that says "I would like my image watermarked after the voting period is over." This way, DPC is offering an extra service that hopefully doesn't tax the server too much and appeases those that want their images watermarked. Also, it should have really cool algorithm that makes a not-that-visible watermark but one that has some crazy gradient that is very very very hard to remove completely... that way, the person trying to steal it will just give up and go to another site looking for a similar image without any watermark (or with an easier-to-remove one).

Plus, removing such a complicated watermark shows that you put in effort to hide the fact that it is not your image, meaning you knew you were doing something wrong, meaning you're liable to get sued.

I should add that the default setting for that checkbox should be "unchecked," because more of us are against it than are for it, and many would forget to uncheck it if it was checked in the first place.

Message edited by author 2009-10-17 09:58:15.
 10/17/2009 11:03:19 AM · #72
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Message edited by author 2009-10-17 14:23:48.
 10/17/2009 11:48:02 AM · #73
As I have said, trying to implement software based controls to disable people saving images is a very fruitless exercise, there is nothing you can do to stop that, I can work around saving images and so can thousands if not millions of others, some simple Firefox adons will have you bypassing block scripts and aplets in seconds. Just remember, if some one desperately wants to use your image, they will use it regardless of what you try to do in order to stop them acquiring it.

There is even software now that can fairly accurately remove watermarks...
 10/17/2009 02:05:53 PM · #74
I think paranoia is overcoming good sense. There is so much free stuff out there, what makes you all think that this site is becoming the world's biggest target for image thieves?

Really and truly, if this is an issue for you, it's just that......YOUR issue, and it's your responsibility for the sucurity of YOUR images.

If it's so important, why are you putting images up here anyway?

How many of you who are so adamant about the site doing something have really had images pirated and used in inapropriate ways?

I've really not seen much in the way of griping in the three years I've been here by the people I would most likely want to steal images from......what about them?

How much have you lost? Did you register the copyrights to the specific image?

If you think an image is that good, why wouldn't you go to great lengths to protect it?

You know how easy it is to steal an image......why do you want someone else to do your security work for you?

This site is about a digital photography contest.....compete, or not, but if you don't want an image stolen, either YOU take whatever steps are necessary to make sure someone can't steal it, have legal recourse to go after them, or for the bazillionth time, DON'T POST 'EM ON THE WEB!!!!!
 10/17/2009 02:15:02 PM · #75
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Message edited by author 2009-10-17 14:24:00.
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