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12/04/2003 04:46:25 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
but at the same time we get an honest reaction |
I don't quite believe the voting can be described as "honest", since anybody with a submission in the challenge can see their current score, which I believe has at least some effect on voting. I've suggested in the past that your score be hidden until you click an "I've finalized my votes" button. You could still comment after that, but not change any of your scores. |
This is actually a good idea. I never thought so until the current challenge. My picture started out much lower than I expected and dropped further still. At that point I was depressed enough that, as I looked at other pictures, I thought "This isn't as good as mine. I must score it low, low, low." Luckily I realized what I was thinking and did not vote on anything right away. I stopped for a couple days to calm down and went back with a fresh outlook and judged pictures on their own merit instead of in comparison with mine. It's scary to think about what I almost did.
The other side of the coin is that, waiting a week to get an idea how I'm doing would drive me batty. I'm not sure my wife would appreciate me after the first couple of days.
Personally, I am against the idea of voter identification. I am afraid I would be liable to not vote on pictures I thought should score low, just to avoid possible angry emails in response. Call me chicken. |
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12/04/2003 05:06:53 PM · #52 |
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12/04/2003 06:06:37 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Natator:
Photos are very personal and people get attached to their own photo. Some people get offended if someone else hates their photo. |
If someone is so afraid of and offended by criticism, they should be posting their pictures on a site like PBase where their family and friends can go and ooh and aah over whatever crap they choose to upload. This is a CHALLENGE site and anyone who gets offended is obviously not using this site for the purposes it was intended.
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Forget the spiteful 1-voting zeros - they're losers. |
I resent this. I vote 1s when _I_ feel it is warranted, and I probably vote 10 about as often. A 1 is a fair score.
To paraphrase: "I may not agree with voting a '1,' but I will defend to the death your right to vote it." OK, I'm not gonna fight to the death, but I will resist to the best of my e-abilities any attempts to reform our voting process.
Fortunately or unfortunately (however you look at it), DPC is a democracy and people should feel to vote however they want. Trolls are weeded out, and that's a fair system. |
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12/04/2003 06:27:58 PM · #54 |
Something to consider... why are we here? Obviously it's not to shoot in the style we personally want to and to shoot subjects that speak to us as individuals- we have personal websites to do that.
We are here to compete with others on subjects that are chosen for us, and to vote based upon standards of technical merit, whether it meets the challenge, creativity, etc. And most importantly, we are here so that these challenges, the votes, and the comments will help us to become better photgraphers. At least that's why I'm here. But if a voter hates the challenge itself he is free to (and possibly even likely to) give every image submitted a 1. What good does that do anyone? If there are rules for submitting, there should be rules and guidelines for voting. It's a competition and a learning environment. Votes should be like grades and they should be given with reasons/explanations.
I was a member at Worth1000 until the politics got too nasty. Personally I found the karma system to work relatively well- but it's not perfect. People are so concerned about their karma that no one gives 1's or 10's. Winning images win with 6's and 7's.
By the same token, one of the best things about Worth is their specific voting scale. //www.worth1000.com/faq.asp#31
If people are voting properly, you don't need to give a reason because the vote speaks for itself. A 3 means you should have spent an extra hour on it, you ignored easy things.
Here it is for easy viewing:
1. Any entry you rate a 1, should be flagged at the same time. If it's so bad as to deserve a 1, it shouldn't be on worth1000. We don't need to list examples. You'll know them when you see them.
2. Any entry that is horrible. It probably should also be flagged.
EXAMPLES:
Photography - Subjects are out of focus.
3. An entry that is below average. Definitely needs that extra hour of work or thought. Easy things have been ignored.
4. An entry that could have been good, but is missing that extra 15 minutes of work or thought behind it.
5. It's average. Not great, not bad.
6. It's better than average.
7. It's much better than average. Great idea and execution.
8. Great idea, great execution and that special something that made you say "wow!".
9. This is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen on this site.
10. This is PERFECT in every possible way. There is not a single flaw in the image and the idea behind it is brilliant. This is the most amazing thing I have ever seen on the site.
I think I recall hearing about another site that wouldn't allow members to vote till they'd been an active member for a certain period of time and had learned how the system worked.
Maybe the challenges aren't challenging enough. Perhaps they aren't stretching our technical and artistic abilities, they aren't opening our minds to what others consider art. Who here votes with their heart AND their mind, and who goes through randomly tossing votes around because they're bored?
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12/04/2003 07:31:53 PM · #55 |
I'm just wondering - is photography an art or a science? By trying to enforce a standard set of rules for voting, are we not taking the creativity out of the whole thing?
I've said it before - a vote somewhere around 5 would seem to be a vote of indifference. If a photo is technically good and some people still hate it, at least you have evoked a reaction in them. I don't think that is such a bad thing. |
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12/04/2003 07:33:29 PM · #56 |
I was going to respond to this thread, though it was pretty long when I got here so I figured it best to read all the posts first...
Now I realise I don't need to articulate what I think because Gordon has been using his weird psychic abilities again and sucked my thoughts right out of my head.
I agree with everything he's said on this thread.
Scary, isn't it?
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