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10/27/2008 11:36:51 PM · #1 |
So out of curiosity, what is the going rate on pictures on here and how exactly does that work? the reason i am asking is my husband's grandfather passed away last Oct. he has a gift shop here where we live ( he was a carpenter) I don't know a whole lot about what that stuff is called but he made those really expensive wooden bowls.. I know the first time i went in the sho and saw a bowl that had a price tag starting at $50.00 - 1,000 I was like.. wow he's proud of his stuff, then my aunt filled me in that those things really are worth that.. lol anyway.. ADD and side tracking.. his grandmother wants to keep the shop open and she makes stained glass things there for churches and what not.. but the wood stuff well what's left is all there is, and stained glass doesn't bring that much in. So ther have been on my husband and i do come up with somthing to help her be able to keep the shop open.. for my husband to do some wood thing he knows how to do and they want me to sell pictures in there.. well uh.. 1. I'm not good enough to offer photography sessions, and 2. I don't take well scenery stuff.. sooooo I was curious, If I bought a print here from some of the AMAZING animal or lakes and all that stuff can you sell it in there? not as my own work but with the artist name.?? people here buy that stuff up! deer especially
I dunno just wondering... |
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10/27/2008 11:40:35 PM · #2 |
I would say no since you'd be making money off someone else's work.
However, if you were to make a deal with the photographer whose prints you would be buying then that's different.
The logistics would be a nightmare as you'd have to negotiate with each photographer separately.
Message edited by author 2008-10-27 23:40:59. |
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10/27/2008 11:43:58 PM · #3 |
Short answer: NO. You may NOT buy a print and resell it for profit.
Alternative: If you get someone to do it on consignment (where they get a portion of the sell price), you might be able to do it that way. BUT, you would need forms, permissions, agreements, etc... from the copyright owner (photographer).
Please do NOT get caught selling someone else's work. Their name on it or not. |
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10/27/2008 11:46:09 PM · #4 |
I guess that is what i am kinda of asking, like i'm going to use you as an example.
say you had a picture of a tree I thought people in this area would like. I would contact you and say hey, I like this pic I think you could sell that here what kind of deal can we work out?
going to use simple math.. say I buy the picture from you for $5.00 sell it for 20.00 = $15 profit..
or would you think it would work if i asked someone hey I like this think it would sell yada yada.. may I print out "sample" of the picture and should someone be interested you say the price, and a percent would go to the shop for selling your work the rest would go to the owner of the picture (you, via paypal) ..
would anyone go for that?
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10/27/2008 11:47:11 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Short answer: NO. You may NOT buy a print and resell it for profit.
Alternative: If you get someone to do it on consignment (where they get a portion of the sell price), you might be able to do it that way. BUT, you would need forms, permissions, agreements, etc... from the copyright owner (photographer).
Please do NOT get caught selling someone else's work. Their name on it or not. |
God no i would never take anyone's anything and sell it with out their permission and something in writing to go with it! |
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10/27/2008 11:50:45 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
I guess that is what i am kinda of asking, like i'm going to use you as an example.
say you had a picture of a tree I thought people in this area would like. I would contact you and say hey, I like this pic I think you could sell that here what kind of deal can we work out?
going to use simple math.. say I buy the picture from you for $5.00 sell it for 20.00 = $15 profit..
or would you think it would work if i asked someone hey I like this think it would sell yada yada.. may I print out "sample" of the picture and should someone be interested you say the price, and a percent would go to the shop for selling your work the rest would go to the owner of the picture (you, via paypal) ..
would anyone go for that? |
For the first scenario, I would say no. It's also kind of a risky business and would need a couple of release forms to go with the purchase. A nightmare not worth $5.00 to most :)
The second sounds like consignment but you would need a lot of paperwork to make sure everything goes smoothly. A lot of photographers might go for something like that. You'd just have to ask the individual :) |
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10/27/2008 11:51:49 PM · #7 |
| The $5 dollars was just easy math example.. I suck at math had to use easy numbers.. lol |
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10/27/2008 11:53:13 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
The $5 dollars was just easy math example.. I suck at math had to use easy numbers.. lol |
I gotcha ;)
Just be sure to make it worth their while, ya know?
Good luck. I hope it works out for you. |
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10/27/2008 11:55:44 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
I guess that is what i am kinda of asking, like i'm going to use you as an example.
say you had a picture of a tree I thought people in this area would like. I would contact you and say hey, I like this pic I think you could sell that here what kind of deal can we work out?
going to use simple math.. say I buy the picture from you for $5.00 sell it for 20.00 = $15 profit..
or would you think it would work if i asked someone hey I like this think it would sell yada yada.. may I print out "sample" of the picture and should someone be interested you say the price, and a percent would go to the shop for selling your work the rest would go to the owner of the picture (you, via paypal) ..
would anyone go for that? |
Those are two different scenarios and both could work.
For type 1 you could set up some plan that would work for any photographer interested in selling in your shop. The percentage the store takes of the profit would be fixed and should cover your cost of framing (if you are ordering from dpcprints).
Type 2 might not be as viable as you'd need some sort of catalogue which in a way is dpcprints but what would stop a potential customer of your shop from just ordering off dpcprints and then framing it themselves?
Just some things to think about. |
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10/28/2008 12:02:46 AM · #10 |
The biggest problem I see in this scenario is, unless you can offer something that the artist cant or wont do on their own, why would they want to sell a print for less then what its worth?
Let me explain............lets say on the market Print A is worth $50. Its probably worth the same in your market as it is in theirs. Meaning you would have to charge more for it then its value to make money, or they would have to sell it for less. Most wont do that unless there is volume to consider and then you would need to have a way to ensure that in order to get someone to agree. Best thing I can suggest is try and learn how to shoot what you think will sell there, and make all the money yourself.
Matt
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10/28/2008 12:07:14 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Type 2 might not be as viable as you'd need some sort of catalogue which in a way is dpcprints but what would stop a potential customer of your shop from just ordering off dpcprints and then framing it themselves?
Just some things to think about. |
I would pick few, not really a catalogue type of thing.. just maybe 5-10 prints at a time kinda thing.. I wasn't looking to make huge orders here.. just trying to come up with an idea for the inlaws.. and help someone else that is good at that type of photography make a little extra money.. it's a win, win...win... situation..
the framing- it's a carpentry gift shop... my husband knows how to make really nice wooden frames.. |
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10/28/2008 12:10:24 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by MattO:
The biggest problem I see in this scenario is, unless you can offer something that the artist cant or wont do on their own, why would they want to sell a print for less then what its worth?
Let me explain............lets say on the market Print A is worth $50. Its probably worth the same in your market as it is in theirs. Meaning you would have to charge more for it then its value to make money, or they would have to sell it for less. Most wont do that unless there is volume to consider and then you would need to have a way to ensure that in order to get someone to agree. Best thing I can suggest is try and learn how to shoot what you think will sell there, and make all the money yourself.
Matt |
good point, problem is.. as you have stated earlier on.. yeah I have a long way to go before i can sell anything.. :)
but where we live.. in BFE in the country there just aren't places that you can take beautiful picture as some of you have.. okay well there is pretty stuff in the country but like the deer pictures some people have here that are amazing.. yeah i could never et shots like that |
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10/28/2008 10:12:33 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by MattO:
The biggest problem I see in this scenario is, unless you can offer something that the artist cant or wont do on their own, why would they want to sell a print for less then what its worth?
Let me explain............lets say on the market Print A is worth $50. Its probably worth the same in your market as it is in theirs. Meaning you would have to charge more for it then its value to make money, or they would have to sell it for less. Most wont do that unless there is volume to consider and then you would need to have a way to ensure that in order to get someone to agree. Best thing I can suggest is try and learn how to shoot what you think will sell there, and make all the money yourself.
Matt |
Ahhhhh but!! They are spared the selling of the item and they don't have to pay the upfront printing/framing costs either. This is why artists sell prints on consignment. It's virtually no work (beyond the paperwork) for them. Then they just sit back and let someone else do the selling. If they accept payment up front for half of the work is worth, knowing the consignment shop will get the profit (usually around 25% of the value), again, they aren't having to do the printing, framing, or selling so a lot of people go for this type of thing. The artist/photographer has a sure sell. The shop owner is the one risking her money.
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10/28/2008 10:13:38 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
good point, problem is.. as you have stated earlier on.. yeah I have a long way to go before i can sell anything.. :)
but where we live.. in BFE in the country there just aren't places that you can take beautiful picture as some of you have.. okay well there is pretty stuff in the country but like the deer pictures some people have here that are amazing.. yeah i could never get shots like that |
And hey, you!!! NEVER say NEVER. |
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10/28/2008 11:11:30 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Short answer: NO. You may NOT buy a print and resell it for profit.
Alternative: If you get someone to do it on consignment (where they get a portion of the sell price), you might be able to do it that way. BUT, you would need forms, permissions, agreements, etc... from the copyright owner (photographer).
Please do NOT get caught selling someone else's work. Their name on it or not. |
Wait a minute!
There's an entire industry that does entirely that.
My dad has some N.C.Wyeth paintings that he bought 50 years ago......are you saying that he's not entitled to make a profit from his investment?
Just because you're an artist doesn't mean you're a marketing genius, and if you sell something to someone, it's THEIRS, and if they get more money for it than you did, that's life.
If I bought a piece of work for $100 and someone came to my house and just HAD to have it and offered me $250, you're saying I *CAN'T* sell it?????
I don't think so!!!......LOL!!!
Message edited by author 2008-10-28 11:12:19. |
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10/28/2008 11:21:07 AM · #16 |
I have a photographer friend who sells quite a few prints through a gallery. The photographer has the photos printed through an online printing service, and pays for them himself. When the gallery sells them, at a price agreed upon before the prints were shipped, the gallery sends the photographer his percentage. It is all very professional, and at the end of the year the gallery even sends a full accounting of the sales, for the photographer to use for IRS.
eta: Because the files are at the online printing service, there is not much overhead or work for the photographer. The gallery notifies him when more prints are needed, and they are printed and shipped a few at a time.
Message edited by author 2008-10-28 11:24:38. |
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10/28/2008 11:23:57 AM · #17 |
Other types of art, especially famous paintings, get resold multiple times. Art auction houses do this for a living. Why is a photo any different?
ETA: Certainly photos by high profile photographers get resold -- Ansel Adams prints in particular come to mine.
Message edited by author 2008-10-28 11:25:50. |
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10/28/2008 11:26:35 AM · #18 |
| Ansel Adams prints are bought and sold as works of art. |
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10/28/2008 11:27:36 AM · #19 |
funnily enough, you may have a point there. If you have a shot up for sale and it is sold, then wouldn't it become the persons who now owns it, regardless of a release.
I do not believe that there are any stipulations on the print side of DPC that says you can not do that. Or maybe there is and I am too thick to have noticed it |
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10/28/2008 11:30:12 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Ansel Adams prints are bought and sold as works of art. |
Don't know about you, but I regard my photos as works of art. ;-)
ETA: And I would be honored if they were to be resold multiple times!
Message edited by author 2008-10-28 11:31:29. |
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10/28/2008 11:47:09 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by ErikV:
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Ansel Adams prints are bought and sold as works of art. |
Don't know about you, but I regard my photos as works of art. ;-)
ETA: And I would be honored if they were to be resold multiple times! |
And if you were aware of the going rate for resale of your prints, you could adjust your initial sale price, just as other artists do when the value of their work is escalating. |
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10/28/2008 12:02:33 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Ansel Adams prints are bought and sold as works of art. |
Yes, however I'm sure there are a number of agreements in place regarding royalties etc.
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10/28/2008 12:14:02 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Short answer: NO. You may NOT buy a print and resell it for profit.
Alternative: If you get someone to do it on consignment (where they get a portion of the sell price), you might be able to do it that way. BUT, you would need forms, permissions, agreements, etc... from the copyright owner (photographer).
Please do NOT get caught selling someone else's work. Their name on it or not. |
Wait a minute!
There's an entire industry that does entirely that.
My dad has some N.C.Wyeth paintings that he bought 50 years ago......are you saying that he's not entitled to make a profit from his investment?
Just because you're an artist doesn't mean you're a marketing genius, and if you sell something to someone, it's THEIRS, and if they get more money for it than you did, that's life.
If I bought a piece of work for $100 and someone came to my house and just HAD to have it and offered me $250, you're saying I *CAN'T* sell it?????
I don't think so!!!......LOL!!! |
I agree with Jeb. If you bought a print from DPC you are then able to sell it, no strings attached as you now own that print. This concept applies to anything you buy as far as I know. As long as you are not claiming to be the artist, you are fine. |
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10/28/2008 12:23:40 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Short answer: NO. You may NOT buy a print and resell it for profit.
Alternative: If you get someone to do it on consignment (where they get a portion of the sell price), you might be able to do it that way. BUT, you would need forms, permissions, agreements, etc... from the copyright owner (photographer).
Please do NOT get caught selling someone else's work. Their name on it or not. |
Wait a minute!
There's an entire industry that does entirely that.
My dad has some N.C.Wyeth paintings that he bought 50 years ago......are you saying that he's not entitled to make a profit from his investment?
Just because you're an artist doesn't mean you're a marketing genius, and if you sell something to someone, it's THEIRS, and if they get more money for it than you did, that's life.
If I bought a piece of work for $100 and someone came to my house and just HAD to have it and offered me $250, you're saying I *CAN'T* sell it?????
I don't think so!!!......LOL!!! |
I agree with Jeb. If you bought a print from DPC you are then able to sell it, no strings attached as you now own that print. This concept applies to anything you buy as far as I know. As long as you are not claiming to be the artist, you are fine. |
If the original print is sold as a print then I would agree. The situation here is that the purchaser of the print would be changing the presentation then reselling it. Wouldn't that be a derivative work?
If that's ok as well then that means anyone buying small prints from DPC could essentially create art cards and sell them.
Message edited by author 2008-10-28 12:24:16.
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10/28/2008 12:27:05 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Short answer: NO. You may NOT buy a print and resell it for profit.
Alternative: If you get someone to do it on consignment (where they get a portion of the sell price), you might be able to do it that way. BUT, you would need forms, permissions, agreements, etc... from the copyright owner (photographer).
Please do NOT get caught selling someone else's work. Their name on it or not. |
Wait a minute!
There's an entire industry that does entirely that.
My dad has some N.C.Wyeth paintings that he bought 50 years ago......are you saying that he's not entitled to make a profit from his investment?
Just because you're an artist doesn't mean you're a marketing genius, and if you sell something to someone, it's THEIRS, and if they get more money for it than you did, that's life.
If I bought a piece of work for $100 and someone came to my house and just HAD to have it and offered me $250, you're saying I *CAN'T* sell it?????
I don't think so!!!......LOL!!! |
I agree with Jeb. If you bought a print from DPC you are then able to sell it, no strings attached as you now own that print. This concept applies to anything you buy as far as I know. As long as you are not claiming to be the artist, you are fine. |
If the original print is sold as a print then I would agree. The situation here is that the purchaser of the print would be changing the presentation then reselling it. Wouldn't that be a derivative work?
If that's ok as well then that means anyone buying small prints from DPC could essentially create art cards and sell them. |
Actually, you'd have to copy them to make art cards. So that's a whole 'nuther ballgame. You couldn't do that without violating copyright laws. Selling the actual physical print that you purchased is not the same thing.
ETA: Adding a frame is not changing the presentation. It's just framing a work of art.
Message edited by author 2008-10-28 12:28:03. |
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