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10/13/2008 08:48:05 AM · #26 |
| [3] it may bias some people, and not others. Personally, I vote the same, and there are many other things that can identify to you whose image you are voting on. |
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10/13/2008 08:49:25 AM · #27 |
[2] - I do care about this, especially given the thread about DPC losing talented photographers. I would hate to see people leave this site just because they lost some of their best models.
Message edited by author 2008-10-13 08:49:45. |
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10/13/2008 08:53:27 AM · #28 |
| [2] I think if the photographer knows that he/she is getting into some voting trouble thats there problem... Why not...? If its going to hurt the voting for there photo and they know it why not... Personally I can't find any one to pose for me... So I jump in front sometimes (only in rare occasions because I don't normally like my SP's)... I think it's O.K. The only reason why I would see people argue is the fact that it might raise there voting ave. But don't we all want a good score? |
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10/13/2008 08:59:19 AM · #29 |
| If I recognize Timfy's mug I generally don't vote on it. But that doesn't mean I should be deprived the pleasure of looking at it. Okay, maybe I picked a bad example... |
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10/13/2008 09:00:38 AM · #30 |
I don't vote on those self portraits. I'm too busy driving a pen through my monitor whenever they load on my screen. I'm with Prash on this one. Lets burn these people at the stake during the next fire challenge so we can get some sweet shots of course.
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10/13/2008 09:00:53 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Valdo:
[3] I think that if the voting gets biased it is the voters fault and not the photographer's. |
May I use this as well.
There are far too many excellent works at DPC by fantastic photographers that put themselves on the line by taking self portraits (or using themselves as models in non-portrait settings), often in very personal settings and with emotions on the sleeves, that would be eliminated if utilizing themselves was not allowed.
I can think of several photogs that have utilized self portraits to delve into very personal emotions - emotions that are very difficult to express by using another model. By eliminating this possibility, you have diminished the site significantly.
It is up to the voter to be non-biased.
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10/13/2008 09:02:11 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
If I recognize Timfy's mug I generally don't vote on it. But that doesn't mean I should be deprived the pleasure of looking at it. Okay, maybe I picked a bad example... |
yes, you did pick a bad example. i think we should just burn ban timfy. I think we would all be much better off |
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10/13/2008 09:09:41 AM · #33 |
This is such a crock of crap!
If you think that people that continously place subjects into their shoots doesn'y bias the voting your crazy.
This is a previous post I still stand bye.
Jason, all you have to do is join a click here and then shoot the same recognizable subject week after week and all your friends can vote your entry higher than it deserves. Now, that's the true DPC Way! Isn't it?
Message edited by author 2008-10-13 09:09:58. |
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10/13/2008 09:14:54 AM · #34 |
How do you know, with 100% certainty, that it's the photographer in the photo and not the photographer being a model for another?
Fact is: You don't.
No different than people who use the same model/kids over and over.
We have many couples, sibling, parents/children using this site together. They could just as easily be modeling for them.
Vote on the photo as it meets the challenge. |
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10/13/2008 09:15:01 AM · #35 |
| Only if you are hot chick. |
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10/13/2008 09:17:42 AM · #36 |
2 for me, mostly out of necessity and for fun, cause I like to see how good a shot I can get while being the model too.
To the best of my knowledge nobody's ever voted a shot of mine higher just because I'm in it. Having said that I try to look as different as possible so I am NOT easily recognized. |
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10/13/2008 09:20:58 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by ShutterHack:
This is such a crock of crap!
If you think that people that continously place subjects into their shoots doesn'y bias the voting your crazy.
This is a previous post I still stand bye.
Jason, all you have to do is join a click here and then shoot the same recognizable subject week after week and all your friends can vote your entry higher than it deserves. Now, that's the true DPC Way! Isn't it? |
I'm sorry but you're going to have to provide some proof. I have this bias against orangutans making claims like this.
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10/13/2008 09:22:41 AM · #38 |
As mentioned below, surely some people on here have a style that is so `their own` that I find their images more recognisable than the person themselves. Surely as an extension of your original argument, if someone can be recognised by their style as well as their looks, should they be disallowed as well?
Two examples are IreneM and Whiterook.. generally I can pick out their photos in a challenge they are entered in. Also Larus, Saberi, MAK, DrAchoo (sometimes) Scalvert, Artroflmao, DWTerry (although he threw us a curveball with that motocross shot) etc.. highly stylistic shots that are as recognisable as the person themselves. Does it affect my voting?
Not consciously.
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10/13/2008 10:16:21 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
2 for me, mostly out of necessity and for fun, cause I like to see how good a shot I can get while being the model too.
To the best of my knowledge nobody's ever voted a shot of mine higher just because I'm in it. Having said that I try to look as different as possible so I am NOT easily recognized. |
Looking forward to seeing snaffles in Grouch Marx glasses... |
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10/13/2008 10:34:52 AM · #40 |
[3]
This is just like picking a jury for a famous person.
The person entering a photo of themselves is not a criminal. They're probably expecting some biased voting. But it was a fun learning experience.
Models aren't always that easy to find.
A) who are willing to put their face on the "Internet".
B) have the time schedule
C) are patient enough for out photographic experiments.
It may be an easy way to get free votes. That'as life, it's not always perfectly fair.
I wear my clown mask so no one can recognze me or do a profile shot. Until I got a ribbon for the mask, then it is more known. I wasn't even wearing it. It was on a life-sized woody head.
These challenges are for learning. I've also learned that there many types of people in the world. Some more fair then others, some that will lie and decieve, to win a virtual-fame for a week.
Some woody faces are starting to look just like  Art Roflmao, his features just sort of bleed through.
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10/13/2008 11:03:18 AM · #41 |
I simply don't vote on the picture if I recognize someone. Problem solved. But I wouldn't be too concerned by people who do vote. For every person who votes higher because they like the photog, there's likely to be someone who votes it lower "just because"...
Message edited by author 2008-10-13 11:04:23. |
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10/13/2008 11:03:52 AM · #42 |
2.
Prefectly ethical. You might be surprized to learn that many of us don't study the photographer profile and commit their likeness to memory. It might hurt as much as help, so I think it is neutral in nature and up to the voter to vote fairly. Many others have styles that are easy to recognize, so a face is not much different to me. |
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10/13/2008 11:08:23 AM · #43 |
| I'll weigh in on this... First off - 3. I generally can separate a photo's quality and relevance to the challenge from the photographer (whether they are in the shot or I know they took it). However, I will say - I abstained from Brother's Grimm since someone borrowed my son in their shot and I honestly knew I couldn't vote objectively with him in the shot. Even though I loved the shot and would have scored it well - I didn't want to be a biased voter (good or bad). |
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10/13/2008 11:09:35 AM · #44 |
How about using thier kids! I mean talk about unethical. There are child labor laws in most countries for gosh sakes! And to bias the voters with a cute kid, come on, next thing you know it will be cuddly puppies. I'm glad this thread was started as we need to get together a list of banned subjects that we each think may bias the voters.
I'll start:
self (except nude females)
religious items
kids
pets (if they are cute, snakes are ok)
oh, and macros if they are done by Irene
add your item here: ______
Oh, my vote is 3. |
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10/13/2008 11:15:44 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I'll start:
self (except nude females)
religious items
kids
pets (if they are cute, snakes are ok)
oh, and macros if they are done by Irene
add your item here: ______. |
Flags.
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10/13/2008 11:17:45 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by justamistere:
Some woody faces are starting to look just like Art Roflmao, his features just sort of bleed through. |
LMAO... Btw, is your village on fire yet?
My vote is 3. |
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10/13/2008 11:34:48 AM · #47 |
[2] If it is a great shot and creative idea....good for you. Models are hard to come by, and from myself who is ALWAYS using their kids in a shot, I completely understand how easy it is to use yourself or family members. I am not biased by the voting if I recognize someone.
Originally posted by mom2two:
I'll weigh in on this... First off - 3. I generally can separate a photo's quality and relevance to the challenge from the photographer (whether they are in the shot or I know they took it). However, I will say - I abstained from Brother's Grimm since someone borrowed my son in their shot and I honestly knew I couldn't vote objectively with him in the shot. Even though I loved the shot and would have scored it well - I didn't want to be a biased voter (good or bad). |
WHAT!!!!! you didn't give me a 10!!!!! :O)
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10/13/2008 11:42:27 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by snaffles:
2 for me, mostly out of necessity and for fun, cause I like to see how good a shot I can get while being the model too.
To the best of my knowledge nobody's ever voted a shot of mine higher just because I'm in it. Having said that I try to look as different as possible so I am NOT easily recognized. |
Looking forward to seeing snaffles in Grouch Marx glasses... |
Hehehehe...your worst dream may soon come true...:-) |
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10/13/2008 11:58:53 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by njsabs2323:
[2] If it is a great shot and creative idea....good for you. Models are hard to come by, and from myself who is ALWAYS using their kids in a shot, I completely understand how easy it is to use yourself or family members. I am not biased by the voting if I recognize someone.
Originally posted by mom2two:
I'll weigh in on this... First off - 3. I generally can separate a photo's quality and relevance to the challenge from the photographer (whether they are in the shot or I know they took it). However, I will say - I abstained from Brother's Grimm since someone borrowed my son in their shot and I honestly knew I couldn't vote objectively with him in the shot. Even though I loved the shot and would have scored it well - I didn't want to be a biased voter (good or bad). |
WHAT!!!!! you didn't give me a 10!!!!! :O) |
Sorry - figured:
A. You never need help in the score category
B. I was a biased mother in that case :-)
Hey call me when you get done dropping kids off at school.
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10/13/2008 12:19:02 PM · #50 |
| 3. Though at this point I can't remember what that was. I don't use myself in challenges (except for SP challenges, and I'm trying to find a loophole to get around that) because, well, I suck as a model. Really. I don't have any kids, so you won't see them either. Cats, yes, maybe now and again, but I think only SandyP recognizes Miss Emma. Not sure anyone would know Sir Thomas for sure. And yes, I recognize Tim's kids (but was it Aimee or Tim who shot them?), bspurgeon's gorgeous girls, and a few others' kids and SPs. I also remember a shot of Kita that wasn't taken by Judi. So vote the picture, not the person. |
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