Obama's Buddies at ACORN - Voter Fraud!

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10/08/2008 10:55:40 AM · #1

Happening right now... ACORN offices in several states have been raided and found that in many cases more than 50% of the registrations collected by ACORN were completely fraudulent.

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Nevada state authorities seized records and computers Tuesday from the Las Vegas office of an organization that tries to get low-income people registered to vote, after fielding complaints of voter fraud.

Bob Walsh, spokesman for the Nevada secretary of state's office, told FOXNews.com the raid was prompted by ongoing complaints about "erroneous" registration information being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

The group was submitting the information through a voter sign-up drive known as Project Vote.

"Some of them used nonexistent names, some of them used false addresses and some of them were duplicates of previously filed applications," Walsh said, describing the complaints, which largely came from the registrar in Clark County, Nev.

Secretary of State Ross Miller said the fraudulent registrations included forms for the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team.

"Tony Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada, and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot on Nov. 4," Miller said.

Walsh said agents from both the secretary of state's office and Nevada attorney general's office conducted the raid at 9:30 a.m. local time, and "took a bunch of stuff." Miller's office reported seizing eight computer hard drives and about 20 boxes of documents.

Bertha Lewis, interim chief organizer for ACORN, released a statement saying the group has for months been turning over any suspicious registration information to elections officials. She said those officials routinely ignored their tips, and called the raid a "stunt." <-- CYA ALERT!

"When we have identified suspicious applications, we have separated them out and flagged them for election officials. We have zero tolerance for fraudulent registrations. We immediately dismiss employees we suspect of submitting fraudulent registrations," she said. "Today's raid by the secretary of state's office is a stunt that serves no useful purpose other than discredit our work registering Nevadans and distracting us from the important work ahead of getting every eligible voter to the polls."

Neither the group, which hires canvassers to register voters, nor any employees have been charged or arrested for fraud or other crimes, said Miller, a Democrat.

But it's not the first time ACORN's been under investigation for registration irregularities. The raid is the latest of at least nine investigations into possible fraudulent voter registration forms submitted by ACORN -- the probes have involved ACORN workers in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Indiana and other states.

In response to the Las Vegas raid, Republican Nevada Sen. John Ensign and seven other senators penned a letter to the Federal Housing Finance Agency calling for the suspension of taxpayer dollars to "controversial groups like ACORN." The letter referred to contributions that potentially could come from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008.

In 2006, ACORN also committed what Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed called the "worse case of election fraud" in the state's history.

In the case, ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms, and all but six of the 1,800 names were fake.

More recently, 27,000 registrations handled by the group from January to July 2008 "went into limbo because they were incomplete, inaccurate, or fraudulent," said James Terry, chief public advocate at the Consumers Rights League.

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10/08/2008 01:00:56 PM · #2

Post opinion piece

We were discussing this in the Felons for Obama thread until that thread turned and came out of the closet.

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10/08/2008 01:10:27 PM · #3

As opposed to the intimidation campaigns by Republicans targeting minorities and the poor.

Exactly how would incomplete registration forms affect the election's outcome? If anything, it should be the Dems who are outraged over this since their resources are going to ACORN to supposedly register voters.

If anything, I'd think you would both be jumping up and down in silence, not wanting the wasting of Democratic resources to stop. But hey, it's your gun, your bullets and your foot, pull the trigger all you want.

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10/08/2008 02:02:48 PM · #4

Voter Registration Group ACORN Long a Target of GOP Operatives

Where was your outrage when the election was stolen in 2000? What about accusations of voter fraud by Republicans in Ohio in 2004?

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10/08/2008 04:24:40 PM · #5

Um, is it just me, or do both

HawkeyeLonewolf's post and

citymars' article show exactly the opposite of what

HawkeyeLonewolf is trying to prove? Not that I'm surprised, I guess.

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

(snip) Neither the group, which hires canvassers to register voters, nor any employees have been charged or arrested for fraud or other crimes (snip)

Originally posted by citymars' article:

No concrete evidence of systemic voter fraud in the United States has ever surfaced.

An interesting read, that article. Lots more info in there than just the tiny quote above.

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10/08/2008 11:45:40 PM · #6

How can anyone condone what is going on with ACORN and their attempts at voter fraud? This is not a partisan issue... this is an issue for all Americans. Regardless of who is doing the voter fraud it should be unacceptable and outrage all. How can anyone act as if this is okay? I would be just as outraged if it were those for McCain who were involved in this. Regardless of who wins we should all want the vote to be an accurate representation of the will of the people. Please people let's not make this an issue that divides us... or do you want to win at any cost?

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10/09/2008 08:58:33 AM · #7

Originally posted by dponlyme:

... or do you want to win at any cost?

You mean like feeble attempts to link one of the candidates to a domestic terrorist from the 60's, or trying to incite people by focussing on the candidate's middle name... is that the kind of thing you are referring to?

Ray

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10/09/2008 09:22:52 AM · #8

Originally posted by RayEthier:

You mean like feeble attempts to link one of the candidates to a domestic terrorist from the 60's...

They're appealing to idiots. In 1997 Chicago awarded Ayers its Citizen of the Year award for his work on public school reform. Since 1999, he's been on the board of a group working to fight poverty in this country. Sounds more like someone trying to atone for his past than a threat to our country. If Ayers is really a terrorist, why don't they arrest him? Maybe Homeland Security unable to locate the University of Chicago. :-/

Likewise, if ACORN was really engaged in systematic voter fraud, they would be shut down. I haven't seen ANY evidence of the group telling people which way to vote, and fraud itself does not automatically mean trying to sway an election. In the Washington case, "according to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."" This is sensationalist propaganda aimed at the National Enquirer demographic... and they'll swallow it hook, line and sinker.

10/09/2008 09:38:20 AM · #9

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

There have only ever been CLAIMS of intimidation caused by the GOP. In 2000 and 2004 they were always proven to be false. We want every legitimate voter to vote and ever vote to be legitimate. That's it. If a legitimate vote punishes America with Obamajama then so be it. But don't lie, cheat, and steal the election.

These are not incomplete forms, but FALSE forms that have been filed. Since most states don't require photo id to vote (somehow people claim that's racist), if you're registered and show up over and over with someone else's name, you can vote multiple times.

ACORN has been called on this many times before.

10/09/2008 09:45:41 AM · #10

Originally posted by citymars:

Voter Registration Group ACORN Long a Target of GOP Operatives

Where was your outrage when the election was stolen in 2000? What about accusations of voter fraud by Republicans in Ohio in 2004?

Election wasn't stolen in 2000. The Supreme Court prevented that from happening.

10/09/2008 09:47:56 AM · #11

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by dponlyme:
... or do you want to win at any cost?

You mean like feeble attempts to link one of the candidates to a domestic terrorist from the 60's, or trying to incite people by focussing on the candidate's middle name... is that the kind of thing you are referring to?

Ray

FEEBLE????????

Sorry but what are you smoking?

He has been clearly linked to Ayers -- not to his terrorist acts when Obama was only 8 (or 10), but to the man himself. Obama has LIED about his connection to Ayers one can only assume for politcal gain. But it clearly, clearly shows Obama's lack of judgement... Ayers, Wright... the people he surrounds himself with who HATE America.

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10/09/2008 09:48:36 AM · #12

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
You mean like feeble attempts to link one of the candidates to a domestic terrorist from the 60's...

They're appealing to idiots.

Nah... The idiots aren't listening, that's why they're still for Obama.

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10/09/2008 09:55:31 AM · #13

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
You mean like feeble attempts to link one of the candidates to a domestic terrorist from the 60's...

They're appealing to idiots.

Nah... The idiots aren't listening, that's why they're still for Obama.

So you are calling Obama supporters, of which I and many of us here are, idiots?

10/09/2008 09:55:43 AM · #14

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

I think their target market is folks just like you, whip you into a neo-con frenzy, foaming at the mouth, spewing nonsense. Seems to be working.

10/09/2008 09:58:33 AM · #15

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
As opposed to the intimidation campaigns by Republicans targeting minorities and the poor.

Exactly how would incomplete registration forms affect the election's outcome? If anything, it should be the Dems who are outraged over this since their resources are going to ACORN to supposedly register voters.

If anything, I'd think you would both be jumping up and down in silence, not wanting the wasting of Democratic resources to stop. But hey, it's your gun, your bullets and your foot, pull the trigger all you want.

There have only ever been CLAIMS of intimidation caused by the GOP. In 2000 and 2004 they were always proven to be false. We want every legitimate voter to vote and ever vote to be legitimate. That's it. If a legitimate vote punishes America with Obamajama then so be it. But don't lie, cheat, and steal the election.

These are not incomplete forms, but FALSE forms that have been filed. Since most states don't require photo id to vote (somehow people claim that's racist), if you're registered and show up over and over with someone else's name, you can vote multiple times.

ACORN has been called on this many times before.

Yeah....and OJ didn't kill Nicole either...

Please stay in the compound until the "kool-aid" has worn off a little.

10/09/2008 10:05:40 AM · #16

Originally posted by togtog:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
You mean like feeble attempts to link one of the candidates to a domestic terrorist from the 60's...

They're appealing to idiots.

Nah... The idiots aren't listening, that's why they're still for Obama.

So you are calling Obama supporters, of which I and many of us here are, idiots?

Just turning back scalvert's directing of it at us pro-America folks.

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10/09/2008 10:06:56 AM · #17

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
As opposed to the intimidation campaigns by Republicans targeting minorities and the poor.

Exactly how would incomplete registration forms affect the election's outcome? If anything, it should be the Dems who are outraged over this since their resources are going to ACORN to supposedly register voters.

If anything, I'd think you would both be jumping up and down in silence, not wanting the wasting of Democratic resources to stop. But hey, it's your gun, your bullets and your foot, pull the trigger all you want.

There have only ever been CLAIMS of intimidation caused by the GOP. In 2000 and 2004 they were always proven to be false. We want every legitimate voter to vote and ever vote to be legitimate. That's it. If a legitimate vote punishes America with Obamajama then so be it. But don't lie, cheat, and steal the election.

These are not incomplete forms, but FALSE forms that have been filed. Since most states don't require photo id to vote (somehow people claim that's racist), if you're registered and show up over and over with someone else's name, you can vote multiple times.

ACORN has been called on this many times before.

Yeah....and OJ didn't kill Nicole either...

Please stay in the compound until the "kool-aid" has worn off a little.

As you failed to note, I'm conservative, not a liberal kool-aid drinker. Try again. Look up the facts and you'll see that ACORN has been called on this. You just stamping your foot and saying it didn't happen doesn't make it so.

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10/09/2008 10:09:36 AM · #18

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

As you failed to note, I'm conservative, not a liberal kool-aid drinker. Try again.

Oh, right. Different flavor of kool-aid, got it.

~Terry

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10/09/2008 10:17:32 AM · #19

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

... the people he surrounds himself with who HATE America.

Let me see... I seem to recall that the present administration had a wonderful association with one Osama Bin Laden a few years back... what does that tell us?

Ray

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10/09/2008 10:20:23 AM · #20

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Nah... The idiots aren't listening, that's why they're still for Obama.

So you are calling Obama supporters, of which I and many of us here are, idiots? [/quote]

Just turning back scalvert's directing of it at us pro-America folks. [/quote]

SO... people who support Obama are somehow "Un-american"... makes me wonder what it is your are smoking.

Ray

10/09/2008 10:23:59 AM · #21

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Nah... The idiots aren't listening, that's why they're still for Obama.

So you are calling Obama supporters, of which I and many of us here are, idiots?

Just turning back scalvert's directing of it at us pro-America folks. [/quote]

SO... people who support Obama are somehow "Un-american"... makes me wonder what it is your are smoking.

Ray [/quote]

Just being a liberal or democrat? No. Obama? BIG YES. Since he is anti-America, the only connection is that people for him have self-identified as anti-America.

10/09/2008 10:28:14 AM · #22

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Nah... The idiots aren't listening, that's why they're still for Obama.

So you are calling Obama supporters, of which I and many of us here are, idiots?

Just turning back scalvert's directing of it at us pro-America folks.

Originally posted by RayEthier:

SO... people who support Obama are somehow "Un-american"... makes me wonder what it is your are smoking.

Ray

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Just being a liberal or democrat? No. Obama? BIG YES. Since he is anti-America, the only connection is that people for him have self-identified as anti-America.

Maybe you should sit down. Just how much kool-aid did you drink? You're frothing at the mouth and delirious.

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10/09/2008 10:28:33 AM · #23

//www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm

CLEVELAND - Two Ohio voters, including Domino's pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they'd already signed up.

Barkley estimated he'd registered to vote "10 to 15" times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others.

Claims such as his have sparked election officials to probe ACORN.

"I kept getting approached by folks who asked me to register," Barkley said. "They'd ask me if I was registered. I'd say yes, and they'd ask me to do it [register] again.

"Some of them were getting paid to collect names. That was their sob story, and I bought it," he said.

Barkley is one of at least three people who have been subpoenaed by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections as part of a wider inquiry into possible voter fraud by ACORN. The group seeks to register low-income voters, who skew overwhelmingly Democratic.

"You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," said Lateala Goins, 21, who was subpoenaed.

"They will follow you to the buses, they will follow you home, it does not matter," she told The Post.

She added that she never put down an address on any of the registration forms, just her name.

A third subpoenaed voter, Freddie Johnson, 19, filled out registration cards 72 times over 18 months, officials said.

"It feeds the public perception that there could be [fraud], and that makes the pillars fall down," said local Board of Elections President Jeff Hastings.

Registering under a fake name is illegal. But officials usually catch multiple registrations and toss them.

The major risk of fraud growing out of mass canvassing involves the possibility of ineligible voters filing absentee ballots, and thus avoiding checks at polling places, said Republican National Committee chief counsel Sean Cairncross.

The subpoenas come as Republicans have ramped up criticism of ACORN. Officials in Nevada raided ACORN's Las Vegas office Tuesday, accusing the group of signing people up multiple times - in some cases under phony names, like those of Dallas Cowboys.

ACORN's Cleveland spokesman, Kris Harsh, said his group collected 100,000 voter-registration cards; only about 50 were questionable, he claimed.

As for workers, "We watch them like a hawk," he said.

10/09/2008 10:35:36 AM · #24

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Sounds like they're getting paid to collect names and going beyond what's ethical to get those names. So? Their only association with Obama's campaign is that they endorse him. We can talk about the actions of some McCain supporters that might not be on the up and up either. We can start with the phone call I got the other night, but that might be a topic better suited for another thread.

The issue is with ACORN, not Obama or his campaign.