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10/07/2008 03:26:44 PM · #51

Originally posted by Flash:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Even in the article you reference, it does not indicate who the homeless man voted for. So your claim that they are being told or forced to vote a certain way is untrue. Even the quote from the man himself,

"I never voted before, without this service, I would have had no way to get here."

The people gave him a ride to the polls, period. They didn't give him money. They didn't feed him, the homeless shelter did that.

Is helping those who would otherwise be disenfranchised to vote, wrong in your mind? Is voting only for those wealthy enough to get to the polls?

Spazmo - having met you, you are not a naive person. Please do not present yourself as one who believes in the purity of this action by the Obama supporter who chose to spend his honeymoon registering homeless simply so they could vote for McCain.

I believe that they are helping people to register. The fact that the voters they are helping, demographically, tend to vote Democratic isn't that important. It's a numbers game, there's no coercion needed. If a group tends to vote, say 75% Dem, by registering and helping to vote, 100 voters, that would mean that the Dems have a net gain of 50 votes over the Republicans.

Maybe McCain supporters should offer registration and rides to cranky, old, rich people.

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10/07/2008 03:34:27 PM · #52

Originally posted by Flash:

We all know that the homeless that were homeless before an election will likely still be homeless after an election. If voting for a Democrat eliminated the homeless, then all the cities and states run by Democrats would be free of any homeless. But they are not. In fact one could argue that where Democrats rule, there are more homeless. So we have an example of a failed policy preying off the very persons the predators claim to protect. Vote Democratic and instill the liberal laws of governance. Problem is; it doesn't work. If the liberal view was so good and the conservative view so bad, then why is Europe in the same financial mess that the US is in? Europe is certainly not Republican.

I know I know, it is never the liberal's fault. It is always somebody else to blame. Who will the liberals blame when they control both houses of congress and the White House.

um... 8 years of Bush administration... 6 years of Republicans controlling all three branch of government and 2 years of impotent Democrats in Congress doing nothing to stop Bush... and we are in the worst mess we've ever been in. But you still think it's the liberals' fault. Sorry, but there's an overwhelming reality here that's making you look a little silly. The fact that the U.S. is dragging down the rest of the Global Economy is not an excuse for you to cast blame on foreign governments (which are hardly universally liberal anyway!).

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10/07/2008 03:43:01 PM · #53

Look, there is likely not a dozen members of congress that don't need to be replaced. Almost all of them crooks, including the ones running for pres. It's just too bad there is not enough time to gather opposition for this election Nov.4.
God bless America and help us thru this mess.

Flash

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10/07/2008 03:43:09 PM · #54

ACORN raided for voter fraud

"It's not the first time ACORN's been under investigation for irregularities in registration records.
In 2006, ACORN committed what Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed called the "worse case of election fraud" in the state's history.
In the case, ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms, and all but six of the 1,800 names were fake. "

This is the same organization I linked in another post on their influence on Fannie and Freddie. The same organization Obama represented as an advocate. The same organization who in 2006 had 1794 FAKE names out of 1800 new voter registrants turned in.

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10/07/2008 03:50:02 PM · #55

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

First, I'm simply not having sex with you for any amount of money.

lmao!

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10/07/2008 03:51:29 PM · #56

Originally posted by trevytrev:

Not sure if this is directed at me but I never painted any broad pictures ...

No, but you attempt to discredit the ideas of others by suggesting that they do so ... it was you who took my statement regarding the overall situation regarding felons and recidivism and suggested that I was referring to the worst of the worst.

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10/07/2008 04:27:41 PM · #57

Originally posted by Flash:

This is the same organization I linked in another post on their influence on Fannie and Freddie. The same organization Obama represented as an advocate. The same organization who in 2006 had 1794 FAKE names out of 1800 new voter registrants turned in.

Shall I post a news article about Republican congressional campaigns associated with voter fraud? The very same organization McCain represents *gasp*. The criminal actions of a few members do not render the organization itself criminal. I seriously doubt you'd apply the same principle to organized religion. ;-)

Here's something a little more relevant...

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10/07/2008 04:44:35 PM · #58

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by trevytrev:
Not sure if this is directed at me but I never painted any broad pictures ...

No, but you attempt to discredit the ideas of others by suggesting that they do so ... it was you who took my statement regarding the overall situation regarding felons and recidivism and suggested that I was referring to the worst of the worst.

You stated:

If a felon is to be released back into society, doesn't it make sense that you would want them to become a productive, tax-paying "model citizen" rather than relapsing into their predatory ways?

Every impediment you put in a felon's way through negative stigmatization reduces the odds of such a change in behavior. If they can't vote and can't get a job ("Ever been arrested" on a job app is a red flag), just how are they supposed to survive and become productive?

At no point in your statements do you specify that you are referring to violent or non-violent felons, just convicted felons, that would include the worst of the worst. If you were only referring to a certain group of convicted felons than you should have clarified your position.

Message edited by author 2008-10-07 16:46:58.

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10/08/2008 08:54:26 AM · #59

So now YOU'RE RUNNING ? ;)
Honestly I think we need to get God out of politics. I go to church every Sunday, but God and Nationalism don't belong together IMO.
This does get at the heart of people's problem with politics: The fact that the 2 party systems forces those running to try to appease more tan 50% of the populous - and there ARE a large number of people that seem to want to hear about "God and America".

Originally posted by David Ey:

God bless America and help us thru this mess.

10/08/2008 10:02:08 AM · #60

What does God have to do with it?

Start mixing God and politics and you get politicians "following their faith" like the Taliban...or the Bush administration.

Originally posted by metatate:

10/08/2008 10:56:24 AM · #61

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

You know what, it doesn't really matter if it benefits one candidate or another but if the idea is a good one or not.

IMO, felons lose rights when they get sent to prison. Voting is a right that is lost when sent to prison.

100% correct.

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10/08/2008 10:57:25 AM · #62

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

What does God have to do with it?

Start mixing God and politics and you get politicians "following their faith" like the Taliban...or the Bush administration.

Originally posted by metatate:
So now YOU'RE RUNNING ? ;)
Honestly I think we need to get God out of politics. I go to church every Sunday, but God and Nationalism don't belong together IMO.
This does get at the heart of people's problem with politics: The fact that the 2 party systems forces those running to try to appease more tan 50% of the populous - and there ARE a large number of people that seem to want to hear about "God and America".

Originally posted by David Ey:

God bless America and help us thru this mess.

A person's faith is inseparable from their person. It's not a choice like homosexuality that can be turned on or off at whim (Right Anne Heche?)

trevytrev

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10/08/2008 11:09:13 AM · #63

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
What does God have to do with it?

Start mixing God and politics and you get politicians "following their faith" like the Taliban...or the Bush administration.

Originally posted by metatate:
So now YOU'RE RUNNING ? ;)
Honestly I think we need to get God out of politics. I go to church every Sunday, but God and Nationalism don't belong together IMO.
This does get at the heart of people's problem with politics: The fact that the 2 party systems forces those running to try to appease more tan 50% of the populous - and there ARE a large number of people that seem to want to hear about "God and America".

Originally posted by David Ey:

God bless America and help us thru this mess.

A person's faith is inseparable from their person. It's not a choice like homosexuality that can be turned on or off at whim (Right Anne Heche?)

Where's that homosexual switch located on the human body, I can't seem to find mine?

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10/08/2008 11:12:10 AM · #64

Originally posted by trevytrev:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
What does God have to do with it?

Start mixing God and politics and you get politicians "following their faith" like the Taliban...or the Bush administration.

Originally posted by metatate:
So now YOU'RE RUNNING ? ;)
Honestly I think we need to get God out of politics. I go to church every Sunday, but God and Nationalism don't belong together IMO.
This does get at the heart of people's problem with politics: The fact that the 2 party systems forces those running to try to appease more tan 50% of the populous - and there ARE a large number of people that seem to want to hear about "God and America".

Originally posted by David Ey:

God bless America and help us thru this mess.

A person's faith is inseparable from their person. It's not a choice like homosexuality that can be turned on or off at whim (Right Anne Heche?)

Where's that homosexual switch located on the human body, I can't seem to find mine?

It's all in the mind.

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10/08/2008 11:21:54 AM · #65

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

A person's faith is inseparable from their person. It's not a choice like homosexuality that can be turned on or off at whim (Right Anne Heche?)

So the average person in Iran had no choice but to believe in Allah, the average person in India had no choice but to believe in Vishnu, and Richard Dawkins couldn't possibly have chosen to disbelieve, yet you could choose to be inherently more attracted to men than women. Interesting.

10/08/2008 11:37:13 AM · #66

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
A person's faith is inseparable from their person. It's not a choice like homosexuality that can be turned on or off at whim (Right Anne Heche?)

So the average person in Iran had no choice but to believe in Allah, the average person in India had no choice but to believe in Vishnu, and Richard Dawkins couldn't possibly have chosen to disbelieve, yet you could choose to be inherently more attracted to men than women. Interesting.

Not what I said, but I can see how you got confused. I was not clear.

A person's beliefs are a choice, but you cannot check your morals and values at the door when doing your job... even if it's an elected office.

10/08/2008 11:42:56 AM · #67

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
A person's faith is inseparable from their person. It's not a choice like homosexuality that can be turned on or off at whim (Right Anne Heche?)

So the average person in Iran had no choice but to believe in Allah, the average person in India had no choice but to believe in Vishnu, and Richard Dawkins couldn't possibly have chosen to disbelieve, yet you could choose to be inherently more attracted to men than women. Interesting.

Not what I said, but I can see how you got confused. I was not clear.

A person's beliefs are a choice, but you cannot check your morals and values at the door when doing your job... even if it's an elected office.

But you can choose to do your job based on reason and facts and not an ancient fairy tale.