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10/04/2008 05:19:56 PM · #51 |
I am interested in the solution for this, too--though I don't seem to be having this problem. I do notice, though, that my windows pc (laptop) has a crappy monitor compared with my mac, so things might have looked the same on it, even if they "really" didn't. I don't think this is your issue, as you are clearly more knowledgeable about this than I am, Claire (may I call you Claire?).
I would not give up--I think the "repeating" comment, while not tactful, was directed at creating a "controlled experiment" sort of approach, and not annoyance.
Do you have an Apple store near you? I think it is worthwhile, perhaps, to schedule a "genius" appointment there with one of the people there who knows Aperture, for example. You could not only try it on your mac (if a laptop, easily taken along) but on one of theirs as well.
I find this profile thing and monitor calibration, web settings, printer profiles, etc, all to be a bit maddening--but I am old school black and white wet darkroom kinda guy. My guess is there is some checkbox somewhere that needs to be set or unset, and your problem will be resolved. Poking around to try and find it is frustrating in the extreme, and is one of the reasons I dumped my windows pos in the first place--much less of that on macs. But, it does still happen occasionally, and it still stinks just as much when it does.
While I am here, let me just say that I love your work! I hope you can get this behind you and get back to the fun stuff! :-)
Message edited by author 2008-10-04 17:20:41. |
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10/04/2008 07:18:22 PM · #52 |
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10/04/2008 07:29:06 PM · #53 |
Hey Claire, just noticed this thread. I think you're getting some good advice from this thread. But I'd mention one more thing (that I at least haven't noticed in previous posts). Make sure photoshop isn't using Adobe Gamma. It takes an educated guess at calibrating your monitor, and is usually wrong. And it will screw up more if you're using other calibrating programs. To my knowledge, it would only be active while using photoshop. Could be the problem. Or not, I'm not sure how/if Adobe Gamma works in macs. In fact, take this with a grain of salt until somebody smarter agrees with me, haha. My .02.
Oh, and I think you should consider bumping a second monitor and color calibrator to the top of your gear purchase list for business purposes. Mac laptops don't have the nice displays other macs do, as you already noticed with the viewing angle. If a cinema display is out of your range, NEC and Samsung both have solid offerings (178 degree viewing angle, etc.)for a lot less. And the colorvision Spyder calibrators are great. You could pick up a Spyder2Pro cheap at this point as their generation 3 calibrator is already out. That supports dual monitors and ambient light compensation. It will be much more accurate than do-it-yourself solutions, which will help a lot with printing. Sorry, kind of off topic, but just a thought since it was mentioned earlier. |
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10/04/2008 07:54:52 PM · #54 |
Funny, that thread is full of the same solutions suggested here and one by one everyone posting in that thread did solve their issue. Maybe you should re-read it. |
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10/04/2008 09:45:42 PM · #55 |
Any chance you could tell us what your actual settings are?
You say you edit in sRGB. I assume this means that you've set your "RGB" "working space" to sRGB.
Then, what are your settings for what Photoshop should do if it opens an image that is in a different profile? Have you selected "preserve embedded profiles," "convert to working RGB" or "off."
Then, do you have the "ask when opening" activated for missing profiles?
What baffles me still is why people suggest "proofing" in monitor RGB. And then, if monitor RGB is getting you the right look on your pictures, what I would suspect is that *your* overall monitor profile is mis-selected, or not calibrated well (monitor proofing (as far as I know as a windows user--I think this setting does the same on a mac) switches off *your* color management to see what your pictures would look like on an *uncalibrated* monitor that was similar to yours...). If that's the case, you might do well to go get a device to calibrate your screen.
But keep shooting here in the forum & we can still narrow it down if you like. If not, post what you get from the genius thing you mentioned. I'll check back in on Mon.
Message edited by author 2008-10-04 21:47:28. |
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10/04/2008 09:45:52 PM · #56 |
Claire, sounds like you may have hit it all. One other thing, we could try a Screen Sharing (like Remote Management), Mac to Mac and I could run a quick look and see. PM me and let me know.
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10/04/2008 11:49:59 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Funny, that thread is full of the same solutions suggested here and one by one everyone posting in that thread did solve their issue. Maybe you should re-read it. |
I have read it through 2 times and the people who had my exact problem never said they solved it. I will dig deeper |
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10/04/2008 11:56:52 PM · #58 |
| What web browser are you using? |
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10/05/2008 12:11:01 AM · #59 |
So--man, this just makes my head hurt--so the images you have already worked in PS will presumably continue to look 'off' since the imbedded profile (or lack thereof?) will still be the same. You have to start over with images after playing with settings... I am sure you did, but it is the sort of thing I would forget and then do a Homer Simpson DOH! later on....
If you take a straight simple jpeg of a simple colorful subject straight from the camera, make copies of the file, edit one only in aperture, one only in Preview, one only in PS, (or multiples in PS, one for each suggestion attempt in the forum research), then you can compare them all and isolate down. I suspect, but do not know, that it seems to be limited to your adobe software. I suppose you could do most of your pp in aperture, or at least the final version, where you get the color matching easily.
but I stand by my recommendation of visiting an apple Genius. I mean, hey, they are by definition, geniuses, right? What's not to love about that? :-) |
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10/06/2008 09:38:13 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
So--man, this just makes my head hurt--so the images you have already worked in PS will presumably continue to look 'off' since the imbedded profile (or lack thereof?) will still be the same. You have to start over with images after playing with settings... I am sure you did, but it is the sort of thing I would forget and then do a Homer Simpson DOH! later on....
If you take a straight simple jpeg of a simple colorful subject straight from the camera, make copies of the file, edit one only in aperture, one only in Preview, one only in PS, (or multiples in PS, one for each suggestion attempt in the forum research), then you can compare them all and isolate down. I suspect, but do not know, that it seems to be limited to your adobe software. I suppose you could do most of your pp in aperture, or at least the final version, where you get the color matching easily.
but I stand by my recommendation of visiting an apple Genius. I mean, hey, they are by definition, geniuses, right? What's not to love about that? :-) |
I have kind of hit a wall because I have just edited in aperture and put them straight online and they still look bad online. I am thinking it is an issue with the calibration of my monitor or of the way my computer wants to see things online, because the pictures look fine on my dad's computer, with no difference between the icky looking pictures and normal looking pictures. I am going to try some more things when I have time.
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10/06/2008 12:04:33 PM · #61 |
Hi Claire,
Your problems aren't really that difficult.
Here's an overview, and hopefully it might make a bit more sense:
When you open a file in Photoshop, Photoshop does two things. First it reads & interprets if the photo has a color profile embedded in it (whether it has sRGB embedded, or AdobeRGB, or whether it has been stripped away). Second, it looks up what your monitor profile is, and re-interprets the picture to display it using the monitor profile.
It does all this without you needing to soft proof in Photoshop or anything like that. If your monitor profile is correctly installed you should not need to soft proof at all!
Now, this is where it does not look good for your present computer setup:
So long as your picture had a color profile embedded in it, and so long as when you opened it, photoshop did not apply a different profile, your picture should display perfectly :-). If it doesn't, it is because your monitor is incorrectly profiled :-(.
And if you see a better picture when you select soft proof-->monitor RGB, then that's even worse. All monitor RGB does is totally switch off color management in photoshop!!!
When you view pictures using a browser and they look the same as when you soft proof in Monitor RGB, that can only be because the browser you are using is not color managed :-(. Either it is not color managed at the first step that photoshop uses above, or also the second.
For example, All these photos are correctly balanced and should look identical. The first has sRGB embedded, the second is exactly the same, but has no profile embedded in it. The third is the same but converted to AdobeRGB, and has AdobeRGB embedded.
  
How do they look to you?
Keep firing your questions. It won't take too long to answer them if we hit the right questions...
Message edited by author 2008-10-06 12:25:25. |
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10/06/2008 12:31:21 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by lovethelight:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
So--man, this just makes my head hurt--so the images you have already worked in PS will presumably continue to look 'off' since the imbedded profile (or lack thereof?) will still be the same. You have to start over with images after playing with settings... I am sure you did, but it is the sort of thing I would forget and then do a Homer Simpson DOH! later on....
If you take a straight simple jpeg of a simple colorful subject straight from the camera, make copies of the file, edit one only in aperture, one only in Preview, one only in PS, (or multiples in PS, one for each suggestion attempt in the forum research), then you can compare them all and isolate down. I suspect, but do not know, that it seems to be limited to your adobe software. I suppose you could do most of your pp in aperture, or at least the final version, where you get the color matching easily.
but I stand by my recommendation of visiting an apple Genius. I mean, hey, they are by definition, geniuses, right? What's not to love about that? :-) |
I have kind of hit a wall because I have just edited in aperture and put them straight online and they still look bad online. I am thinking it is an issue with the calibration of my monitor or of the way my computer wants to see things online, because the pictures look fine on my dad's computer, with no difference between the icky looking pictures and normal looking pictures. I am going to try some more things when I have time.
claire |
Claire, I think it was a "valuable" experiment in any case--it sounds like you have eliminated applications as the source of the concern, and Medoomi may have just nailed the fix for your monitor issues. Fingers crossed! :-) |
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10/06/2008 02:29:24 PM · #63 |
| ummm, her applications may still be set up wrong. She said she uses Safari. By default, Safari should read embedded color profiles, so if she sees the three pictures differently, Safari needs to have it's settings changed back to the default. And Photoshop may still need some tweaks, but the major one would be to get the right monitor profile installed in her OS... |
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10/06/2008 06:20:56 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Medoomi:
ummm, her applications may still be set up wrong. She said she uses Safari. By default, Safari should read embedded color profiles, so if she sees the three pictures differently, Safari needs to have it's settings changed back to the default. And Photoshop may still need some tweaks, but the major one would be to get the right monitor profile installed in her OS... |
A Mac, using Safari, will read the sRGB profile on the first photo and display it as expected. On the the second photo it will assign its' (miss-calibrated) Monitor Profile and display the photo incorrectly. Macs (unfortunately) assign the monitor profile when there is no embedded profile. (Windows assigns sRGB) The third photo would display as expected on the Mac because Safari is reading the Adobe RGB profile. So the first and third photos would look the same while the second would not. All views would be inaccurate compared to a properly calibrated monitor.
Claire, if you are using a laptop to edit your photos, I believe your best solution would be to use an external (properly calibrated) monitor attached to your laptop. If that is not possible, the next best solution would be to calibrate your monitor as accurately as possible and proof using "Windows RGB" when you edit in PS. The photos will still look different on your monitor but will be closer to what people with accurate monitor calibrations see.
Message edited by author 2008-10-06 22:40:21. |
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