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 09/23/2008 11:22:11 PM · #51
I get nervous when friends / family / others offer to pay me for portraits. I say to them, I'm happy to take you're picture, as long as there are no expectations, and after you see the results if you want to pay me what you feel you would have paid a professional, be my guest. =)

Maybe one day I'll be more confident, but for now I realize that I do this for fun, and that's the way I prefer to keep it.

Message edited by author 2008-09-23 23:22:59.
 09/23/2008 11:23:50 PM · #52
I would be nervous about charging for anything. Weddings give me the creeps.

Message edited by author 2008-09-23 23:24:09.
 09/23/2008 11:28:13 PM · #53
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I would be nervous about charging for anything. Weddings give me the creeps.

Oh, I wouldn't touch a wedding with a 10 foot pole. You think a soccer mom could get upset? =D

Actually, I did my wife's sister's wedding. But there was no money involved, and we're all young, frugal-minded, and very close.

Message edited by author 2008-09-23 23:29:59.
 09/23/2008 11:34:36 PM · #54
I am scared for the photog at the weddings I go to! lol. This one person told me about a shoot where they did a couple hundred photos and there was a pole growing out of the brides head. They had to PS all of them. It was miserable she said.
 09/23/2008 11:42:15 PM · #55
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
It's only photography. It isn't like we are setting up a colony on a distant planet to escape the Cylons or something.


DUDE.....you got my interest!
 09/23/2008 11:51:50 PM · #56
That is a killer show isn't it?! There were only a couple that sort of Jumped the Shark, but the rest were great. I am only up to season 3 so far.
 09/24/2008 12:11:35 AM · #57
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by LadyTara:
Originally posted by MattO:
As you so nicely stated in your PM photomom you would rather go to someone willing to help then an ass like me. So thats OK, take others advice.

As you can tell I'm not helpful. Good luck in your adventure. I just hope one day a soccer mom, or football mom, or baseball mom isn't standing in front of you screaming her head off because she is paying you for photos of her kid and your photos don't meet her expectations. For every 5 moms who are happy to receive any photo of little Johnny running on the field, there are 5 more who understand that paying for a service and receiving less then stellar results is grounds for a lawsuit. This is what the world has come too, rather we want to believe it or not. So I hope that while you are suiting up to take their money, I also hope you have set yourself up with insurance for errors and omissions so that you do not lose everything you have worked your whole life for, for the chance to make a few bucks with your rebel.

Matt


Right on Matt.

There's a reason people are less willing to help strangers these days....cos when you offer what they don't want to hear, out come pouring the insults. God it's depressing.


You see thats just it, I'm not unwilling ot help strangers, I believe in the pay it forward method. People gave me good advice and pushed me along the way. Thats why on any given night you can find me on the sidelines, or the side of the court with a yearbook staff member from whatever HS I'm at shooting offering advice, lending a flash so they can shoot faster then the sync speed of their onboard flash or a lens so they arent shooting at F5.6. Or allowing the schools to use digital files for the yearbook or for end of season banquets.

But the people that I help understand the basics and need to go further, and they are receptive to criticism even if its not what they want to hear. The difference is they don't mind doing the legwork and aren't looking for the magic button on their camera that takes great photos. They also understand that being a professional and playing one on the weekends is a whole new ballgame.

It doesn't matter if you want to do it for a living or for just a little extra coin purse jingle. The facts remain the same and the liabilities are the same for a weekend warrior or a fulltime professional. Once you step into the realm of being paid for your services you are considered a professional and put yourself in a place where you are subject to the same terms and liabilities that they are.

Matt


I didn't mean to imply at all that you are unwilling to help, not at all, sorry if you got that impression. I really meant people in general today get their faces bitten off more often than not when they try to help people, even by those who have asked for help. I suppose I have a bit of a bleak outlook on things; I view the world as generally quite an unfriendly place, filled with unfriendly people and people like Phantom, who will snap at you as soon as look at you if others' suggestions aren't exactly what they like to hear. So many people simply want their ego stoked. I guess this isn't really the time nor place for me to share my woes about the world, I just wanted to say I agreed with what you said is all.

*Trudges back to sit in her solemn corner*
 09/24/2008 08:22:53 AM · #58
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
Okay well Matt !!! thanks!!! is that what you want to hear? for the advice your giving someone who wants to do that for a career..
again I did say that i don't do this for a living right? I did say that they called and asked me right? i did say that I told them I had never done that before, but would go out try it at a game (last sat.) and if they still wanted it I would do it.
i did mention all those facts right?? I get what your saying, yada yada angry soccer moms and such..
and who ever said competition, we live in a lil po-dunk town.. there isn't much because most here don't really go out and do that.


Now you are out of order, Yes you did say all of the above, but do you want to learn or not. He is giving you advice, that is all , nothing more nothing less. You choose to be all uppity about it, then so be it. But instead of being all childish about it, either take the advice or ignore it. That is up to you. Nobody slammed you, so why slam back.


yep, NOW you are out of order....I spoke up before because I felt your questions were very general and you needed help. Advice could (and some was) have been given to help you achieve better pictures. Heck, the sports setting or even auto could get you better shots then immediately talking over your head regarding ISO, etc. Once it was clear you didn't know what the ISO settings, etc, were, the advice should have been stepped back. Matt took offense to my asking how following a pro would help. What I meant is, while following a pro does that pro take the time to tell you what settings to use? I have never followed a pro, other than the advice I receive from the pros here. So maybe I didn't understand that a pro would step down to that level.

Originally posted by smurfguy:
I get nervous when friends / family / others offer to pay me for portraits. I say to them, I'm happy to take you're picture, as long as there are no expectations, and after you see the results if you want to pay me what you feel you would have paid a professional, be my guest. =)

Maybe one day I'll be more confident, but for now I realize that I do this for fun, and that's the way I prefer to keep it.


That's me....I agree reluctantly but clearly state, 'you know what I can do, or can't do if you still want me to....ok.' My sister used to go to a pro for her school pics, xmas card pics, etc. I took her wedding pics last year...then she asked me to do the xmas pics....and she just called me to do the school pics. So apparently she is happy with what I can do?? like you said, maybe someday I'll be more confident.
09/24/2008 08:45:31 AM · #59
Okay here is my 2 cents. I agree with Matt O but to put it in not such a harsh way LOL, you need to know the basics of how your camera works and what you need to do to expose correctly for each situation. There are thousands of variations for the same theme, so my first bit of advice is, do a short course on learning what iso, f stops (apperture) and shutter speeds are, how they work together to get the different results and why. This first step is ultra important and you will be glad that you did because it will open a whole new world for you in photography. There is no quick fix or special setting for anything, that is what being a photographer is about, being able to assess the situation and come up with good results every time no matter what.

I also learned on the job literally and now 15 years later am still learning every day. I would suggest posting pictures and asking WHY you got a specific result whether it is a bad picture or an amazing one, either way you need to know why you got the result each time good or bad. I am still far from perfect but every time I screw up I learn from it.

Dont let it discourage you but, definitely go and do a one on one course for the basics, it will be amazing how it all makes sense and starts coming together once you understand these three things.

You want to give the parents a great photo of their child/children and even though there are no expectations and no-one is being paid up front for the job here, I am sure that if you get great results it will be a great feeling for you personally.

Hope that all makes sense :-) Good luck, use this as a positive experience not a negative one.
09/24/2008 09:25:37 AM · #60
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by MattO:
You see thats just it, I'm not unwilling ot help strangers, I believe in the pay it forward method. People gave me good advice and pushed me along the way. Thats why on any given night you can find me on the sidelines, or the side of the court with a yearbook staff member from whatever HS I'm at shooting offering advice, lending a flash so they can shoot faster then the sync speed of their onboard flash or a lens so they arent shooting at F5.6. Or allowing the schools to use digital files for the yearbook or for end of season banquets.


Man, I wish you were based in Auckland.


You would be welcome to come along me on any assignment. If you are ever in the area feel free to tag along. In fact you might be amazed at how receptive some folks who do photography professionally are to having someone come along to share knowledge, many times two ways. I dont think at the pro level of sports, or even D1 college, but when you get down to the level I shoot many will take the time to help you out, as long as you allow them to work and dont leach onto them like the plague.(Trust me there is this one guy......different thread though).

Matt

Matt
 09/24/2008 09:28:01 AM · #61
Originally posted by loriprophoto:
Okay here is my 2 cents. I agree with Matt O but to put it in not such a harsh way LOL, you need to know the basics of how your camera works and what you need to do to expose correctly for each situation. There are thousands of variations for the same theme, so my first bit of advice is, do a short course on learning what iso, f stops (apperture) and shutter speeds are, how they work together to get the different results and why. This first step is ultra important and you will be glad that you did because it will open a whole new world for you in photography. There is no quick fix or special setting for anything, that is what being a photographer is about, being able to assess the situation and come up with good results every time no matter what.



I have never claimed to be a diplomat! Perhaps too harsh, perhaps not, I guess its all in a matter of how you read what was wrote. Or perhaps how I read what I wrote.

Matt
 09/24/2008 11:44:16 AM · #62
LOL Matt it is hard to get a feeling across in a forum just with words, some of us find it easier than others LOL!! So you dont consider yourself a diplomat, so what you are right, even if it sounds harsh to some, knowledge is the key and you have to earn that and it never comes easy. I hope I didn't offend you!!!!

Lori

09/24/2008 03:28:57 PM · #63
[Leaving the grammar aside]
Matt: I think that you could communicate your criticisms with more grace.

Others: The validity and delivery of a criticism are not necessarily correlated. A valid criticism can be crassly delivered.

09/24/2008 04:24:25 PM · #64
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
okay I am camera illertater.. I play with the setting but not sure what does what.. or what's called what.. I know.. i know I need to learn these things.. how do I tell you what I had it set on?


I don't know what illertater is but to find out what settings your camera had for each photograph, you should have recieved Zoom Browser as part of the software that came with your camera. All you do is open Zoom Browser, click on the appropriate photograph & then click on properties. That will bring up all the camera settings.


09/24/2008 05:00:48 PM · #65
Posting in order of how the photos are posted in the first post
Photo 1

# Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 1/200 second = 0.005 second
# Lens F-Number/F-Stop = 9/1 = F9
# Exposure Program = normal program (2)
# ISO Speed Ratings = 100
# Exif Version = 0221
# Original Date/Time = 2008:09:20 03:12:02
# Digitization Date/Time = 2008:09:20 03:12:02
# Shutter Speed Value (APEX) = 7643856/1000000
Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/200 second
# Aperture Value (APEX) = 633985/100000
Aperture = F9
# Exposure Bias (EV) = 3/3 = 1
# Max Aperture Value (APEX) = 496875/100000 = 4.97
Max Aperture = F5.6
# Metering Mode = average (1)
# Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
# Focal Length = 55/1 mm = 55 mm
# Focal Plane X-Resolution = 3888000/877 = 4433.3
# Focal Plane Y-Resolution = 2592000/582 = 4453.61
# Focal Plane X/Y-Resolution Unit = inch (2)
# Custom Rendered = normal process (0)
# Exposure Mode = auto exposure (0)
# White Balance = auto (0)
# Scene Capture Type = standard (0)

Photo 2.

# Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 1/200 second = 0.005 second
# Lens F-Number/F-Stop = 9/1 = F9
# Exposure Program = normal program (2)
# ISO Speed Ratings = 100
# Exif Version = 0221
# Original Date/Time = 2008:09:20 03:15:16
# Digitization Date/Time = 2008:09:20 03:15:16
# Shutter Speed Value (APEX) = 7643856/1000000
Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/200 second
# Aperture Value (APEX) = 633985/100000
Aperture = F9
# Exposure Bias (EV) = 3/3 = 1
# Max Aperture Value (APEX) = 496875/100000 = 4.97
Max Aperture = F5.6
# Metering Mode = average (1)
# Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
# Focal Length = 53/1 mm = 53 mm
# Focal Plane X-Resolution = 3888000/877 = 4433.3
# Focal Plane Y-Resolution = 2592000/582 = 4453.61
# Focal Plane X/Y-Resolution Unit = inch (2)
# Custom Rendered = normal process (0)
# Exposure Mode = auto exposure (0)
# White Balance = auto (0)
# Scene Capture Type = standard (0)

Photo 3.
# Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 1/200 second = 0.005 second
# Lens F-Number/F-Stop = 10/1 = F10
# Exposure Program = normal program (2)
# ISO Speed Ratings = 100
# Exif Version = 0221
# Original Date/Time = 2008:09:20 03:20:02
# Digitization Date/Time = 2008:09:20 03:20:02
# Shutter Speed Value (APEX) = 7643856/1000000
Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/200 second
# Aperture Value (APEX) = 6643856/1000000
Aperture = F10
# Exposure Bias (EV) = 3/3 = 1
# Max Aperture Value (APEX) = 496875/100000 = 4.97
Max Aperture = F5.6
# Metering Mode = average (1)
# Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
# Focal Length = 55/1 mm = 55 mm
# Focal Plane X-Resolution = 3888000/877 = 4433.3
# Focal Plane Y-Resolution = 2592000/582 = 4453.61
# Focal Plane X/Y-Resolution Unit = inch (2)
# Custom Rendered = normal process (0)
# Exposure Mode = auto exposure (0)
# White Balance = auto (0)
# Scene Capture Type = standard (0)

Photo 4.

# Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 1/200 second = 0.005 second
# Lens F-Number/F-Stop = 10/1 = F10
# Exposure Program = normal program (2)
# ISO Speed Ratings = 100
# Exif Version = 0221
# Original Date/Time = 2008:09:20 04:25:46
# Digitization Date/Time = 2008:09:20 04:25:46
# Shutter Speed Value (APEX) = 7643856/1000000
Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/200 second
# Aperture Value (APEX) = 6643856/1000000
Aperture = F10
# Exposure Bias (EV) = 3/3 = 1
# Max Aperture Value (APEX) = 496875/100000 = 4.97
Max Aperture = F5.6
# Metering Mode = average (1)
# Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
# Focal Length = 55/1 mm = 55 mm
# Focal Plane X-Resolution = 3888000/877 = 4433.3
# Focal Plane Y-Resolution = 2592000/582 = 4453.61
# Focal Plane X/Y-Resolution Unit = inch (2)
# Custom Rendered = normal process (0)
# Exposure Mode = auto exposure (0)
# White Balance = auto (0)
# Scene Capture Type = standard (

Matt
 09/24/2008 05:24:24 PM · #66
Matt that's very impressive. I can only retrieve the most basic Exif info.

Message edited by author 2008-09-24 17:25:14.
 09/24/2008 06:05:58 PM · #67
Okay Matt, I have gotten the jist that i'm shitty. what is the point of you going on and posting all the info? i'm just wondering.. i asked a simple question and from just one of your comments it's turned into this.

if your trying to get to me, it's not working. i don't get angry over things like this. i will voice my opinion as you are doing also.

i guess i just dont understant what the point in posting that was so you can get another laugh at what i had the settings at? because surley you aren't going to say anything that relates to my ORIGINAL question..
09/24/2008 06:08:24 PM · #68
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
Okay Matt, I have gotten the jist that i'm shitty. what is the point of you going on and posting all the info? i'm just wondering.. i asked a simple question and from just one of your comments it's turned into this.

if your trying to get to me, it's not working. i don't get angry over things like this. i will voice my opinion as you are doing also.

i guess i just dont understant what the point in posting that was so you can get another laugh at what i had the settings at? because surley you aren't going to say anything that relates to my ORIGINAL question..


Originally posted by Photomom1981:
okay I am camera illertater.. I play with the setting but not sure what does what.. or what's called what.. I know.. i know I need to learn these things.. how do I tell you what I had it set on?


For goodness sake, Matt was trying to be helpful! you ASKED how to tell what you had it set on - he has shown you all the data....
 09/24/2008 06:10:50 PM · #69
yes i did, way in the beginning of the thread sara..
 09/24/2008 06:11:59 PM · #70
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
Matt that's very impressive. I can only retrieve the most basic Exif info.


There are a few very useful fireox add ons that give this info ... this is one
 09/24/2008 06:15:54 PM · #71


Message edited by author 2008-09-24 20:28:33.
 09/24/2008 06:23:57 PM · #72
Matt, just give up on this, she doesnt want your help and is just not understanding that you are trying to help.

Photomom, you would do well to read what people have written, they are all trying to help you become a better photographer. Better than you are now.

That is what everyone on this thread was trying to do for you.

If you want everyone to say what a terribly fabulous photographer you are, how stunning your images are, how you are the next Ansel, then ask your family for those compliments.

On here, you will get great, if not fabulous help from other members, great tutorials to read and learn about and people that are willing to bend over backwards to help you. They will be honest with you and for you.

Now I suggest that you go and ask for this thread to be locked.
 09/24/2008 06:27:31 PM · #73
Indeed, neither* will back down from this and there is little more to say. Lock it!

* Obviously both first born children and not perfect middle, like me. Can't we just all be friends. =D
 09/24/2008 07:16:52 PM · #74


Message edited by author 2008-09-24 19:17:30.
 09/24/2008 07:31:30 PM · #75
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:


How on earth did you manage to get a picture of me and my wife?
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