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 09/15/2008 01:36:44 PM · #26
And a question that needs to be asked and answered before the next time is:

What provisions are being made for those who are in a mandatory evacuation zone but have no means to evacuate?

This needs to be part of the plan. Based on discussion here and news reports, there are many people who did not evacuate merely because they had no means to do so.

Message edited by author 2008-09-15 13:37:11.
 09/15/2008 01:52:16 PM · #27
Originally posted by Mulder:
Ok, maybe I'm in a bad mood today.

But these idiots CHOSE to stay in their homes during the hurricane, after being ordered to evacuate. I now have no sympathy for their stupidity, and get a little flustered when I think that now hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars are being spent on rescuing their asses.

I say let them fend for themselves if they chose to be in that situation.


Here's a thought for ya:

If the evacuation had NOT been ordered and organized in a timely fashion, imagine how much more we'd have to be shelling out now, to mention the loss of life...

I can't imagine ANY situation like this in which you'd get 100% compliance, and as others have pointed out maybe, just maybe, some people couldn't GET out. So rather than kvetching at the fact that SOME people had to be rescued, at whatever cost to us, why not be grateful MOST people managed to get out?

R.
 09/15/2008 02:35:41 PM · #28
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mulder:
Ok, maybe I'm in a bad mood today.

But these idiots CHOSE to stay in their homes during the hurricane, after being ordered to evacuate. I now have no sympathy for their stupidity, and get a little flustered when I think that now hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars are being spent on rescuing their asses.

I say let them fend for themselves if they chose to be in that situation.


Here's a thought for ya:

If the evacuation had NOT been ordered and organized in a timely fashion, imagine how much more we'd have to be shelling out now, to mention the loss of life...

I can't imagine ANY situation like this in which you'd get 100% compliance, and as others have pointed out maybe, just maybe, some people couldn't GET out. So rather than kvetching at the fact that SOME people had to be rescued, at whatever cost to us, why not be grateful MOST people managed to get out?

R.


I am very grateful that so many people did get out of harm's way. I am thankful for those who didn't have the means of leaving survived. I am also very grateful that the people that deliberately chose to stay survived as well.

BUT my post had nothing to do with that. It is merely the fact that I'm (quite indirectly, but still...) footing the bill for the people that CHOSE blatantly to stay, and now expect to be rescued.

Please don't think I'm against any social programs the government offers at all. I believe some things ARE the government's responsibility, and that is a reason why I gladly pay my taxes. But I do not pay my taxes to support people's stupidity and stubbornness.

Message edited by author 2008-09-15 14:36:44.
 09/15/2008 02:57:38 PM · #29
Originally posted by metatate:
DID anyone read this POST?
Great job and I thank you for your service. THat's the thing about service, you do what you can and find intrinsic worth in it. With everyone bitching about paying, you're out there helping.

Don't feel bad, just encourage more people to follow in your footsteps.

Originally posted by shamrock:
Gah. I spent all weekend volunteering at the shelters in Austin, only to open the paper and see that some people were complaining about the lack of 24 hour food service and constant movies for the kiddos. Really makes me just want to stay home next time and let them fend for themselves. *sigh*


Yes thank you for going out and volunteering. My two cents on the people who could of left on their own and choose to stay and now want help, is give them the help but have them pay for the cost. It's like the people who choose to climb the rocks when it states no rock climbing then they get stuck and rescue has to come and get them down, they have to pay for the cost.
 09/15/2008 03:15:04 PM · #30
I think in Texas is you stupidly decide you want to go around the barricades warning you of a road under water, then insist on trying to drive through that water (flash flood situations) and find yourself in need of rescue, you ARE given a bill for the cost of that rescue. That seems fair.
 09/15/2008 03:45:49 PM · #31
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I recall, after Katrina, a news story about the evacuations. The one part that stuck in my mind was them asking an obviously impoverished man in a wheelchair why he stayed.
Simply, he had nowhere to go and no way to get there.
It's not much good just telling people they have to leave if you don't help them when necessary.


Well don't forget the NOLA Mayor Ray Nagin (the chief problem in the Katrina fiasco) had buses and buses and buses available to get people out, but refused to use them, demanding that greyhound buses be provided for the purpose instead of school buses.

09/15/2008 07:19:41 PM · #32
Perhaps the emergency services should rescue only every other person who failed for one reason or another to leave their homes. TV images of the abandoned people dying on the rooftops could be sold on pay per view. Good honest taxpayers could use their resulting tax savings to pay for an evening or two's entertainment watching close-ups of the less fortunate dying in glorious technicolor...

Alternatively, televise the bankruptcy proceedings of people who have lost everything in a natural disaster and whose first item of post is a bill for the cost of saving their life. Perhaps the destitute who really cannot pay should be executed so as to restore the natural order.

Having said all this, God forbid that any free American should ever be forced to leave their home - a person has a right to assault weapons in order to defend exactly that kind of freedom.


09/15/2008 07:59:38 PM · #33
Originally posted by Matthew:
Perhaps the emergency services should rescue only every other person who failed for one reason or another to leave their homes. TV images of the abandoned people dying on the rooftops could be sold on pay per view. Good honest taxpayers could use their resulting tax savings to pay for an evening or two's entertainment watching close-ups of the less fortunate dying in glorious technicolor...

Alternatively, televise the bankruptcy proceedings of people who have lost everything in a natural disaster and whose first item of post is a bill for the cost of saving their life. Perhaps the destitute who really cannot pay should be executed so as to restore the natural order.

Having said all this, God forbid that any free American should ever be forced to leave their home - a person has a right to assault weapons in order to defend exactly that kind of freedom.


What kind of weapon is available to fight a tidal surge?
09/15/2008 09:26:21 PM · #34
OMG I actually am agreeing with Ray!!! Nicely said my Canadian Neighbor..
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Having had to work trying to rescue folks I can tell you that risking one's life trying to save someone who did not heed the warnings is NOT something that I enjoyed.

YES indeed, let's do all we can to assist those in need, but there are instances where some folks should be left to their own device... they did make a choice.

Ray
09/15/2008 09:32:24 PM · #35
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

What kind of weapon is available to fight a tidal surge?


Suitcase Nukes?

R.
 09/15/2008 09:40:23 PM · #36
But really who do we have to blame for the situation in New Orleans.. THE FRENCH.. What other nation would choose to build 50 feet below sea level!!! Oh' it will never Flood here!!! Plus lets not only blame Ray N don't forget Blanco... But hey what about Bush's weather machine!!! that is the real problem since he is in the business of blowing up Dikes!!! I was there 2 weeks after the hurricane. Sent in to recover sensitive data from bank computers. Ninth ward looked the same.. Falling down and decrepid as usual. The rest of the town was not nearly damaged as you might think. My question to the locals I knew was how many times are they willing to go through this. Answer: No way this could ever happen again. Most of the smart people moved on to other cities. People who live along the Mississippi have known for years one simple truth. It moves and changes everything in it's path and there is no way to control it. You cannot control mother nature. You either deal with it or move on.
Originally posted by Matthew:
Perhaps the emergency services should rescue only every other person who failed for one reason or another to leave their homes. TV images of the abandoned people dying on the rooftops could be sold on pay per view. Good honest taxpayers could use their resulting tax savings to pay for an evening or two's entertainment watching close-ups of the less fortunate dying in glorious technicolor...

Alternatively, televise the bankruptcy proceedings of people who have lost everything in a natural disaster and whose first item of post is a bill for the cost of saving their life. Perhaps the destitute who really cannot pay should be executed so as to restore the natural order.

Having said all this, God forbid that any free American should ever be forced to leave their home - a person has a right to assault weapons in order to defend exactly that kind of freedom.
09/15/2008 10:04:16 PM · #37
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Compared to the quagmire in Iraq, the cost to the Fed Government for Katrina and Ike is peanuts.

Yeah, thank God the Fed Government gets the bill and not us already over-taxed taxpayers. Having a rich uncle is great.

Huh? I hope you were being sarcastic because if you weren't you need to wake up.

Nothing is more discouraging than unappreciated sarcasm. :(

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Where do you think the Feds get their money from? A money tree?

Yes, the Feds have a money tree. Some people call it the IRS. :D

09/15/2008 11:06:18 PM · #38
Originally posted by coronamv:
But really who do we have to blame for the situation in New Orleans.. THE FRENCH.. What other nation would choose to build 50 feet below sea level!!!

The Netherlands?
 09/15/2008 11:49:57 PM · #39
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by coronamv:
But really who do we have to blame for the situation in New Orleans.. THE FRENCH.. What other nation would choose to build 50 feet below sea level!!!

The Netherlands?


True...and a few other countries but most of them do not build major cities there.. here is a good Link
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