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09/09/2008 03:26:05 PM · #226 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. The fact that he has so many that he can't remember how many he owns speaks volumes about how far removed he is from the reality of life as an average American above and beyond any possible deterioration of his mental faculties. |
If you were being interviewed and asked to answer the question, "How many lenses do you own?", would you be able to respond immediately, without counting them off in your head?
Or, if you were under the kind of time pressure McCain was under, would you say "Give me a minute." or just "Quite a few, I don't know the exact number"?
Be honest.
Message edited by author 2008-09-09 15:27:01. |
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09/09/2008 03:28:33 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't trust McCain because he claims to be a "maverick" who will stand up for the average guy. He's not. He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. The fact that he has so many that he can't remember how many he owns speaks volumes about how far removed he is from the reality of life as an average American above and beyond any possible deterioration of his mental faculties.
As for his running mate, he's made an interesting choice, but from what I've seen, Palin's record is in such conflict with her recollection of events and her stated positions that I'd sooner vote for Dick Cheney. |
I have a completely different take on why McCain chose to not state the number of houses. 1. he wasn't sure - meaning mine and ours and theirs, as in he and his wifes vs the homes they had access to as part of her family. 2. He truly wanted to give a accurate and correct number, thus differed the question to his campaign to get the accurate/correct answer - which only let those driven by agenda fodder for attack.
Regarding you rather voting for Cheney - knowing your spite for the current VP and you hard sentiment against the current wars - I hope you will get the answers you are looking for on Palin. I suspect the Real Gov Palin will stand up pretty soon (as they used to say on Whats my line?) |
Which Palin? The one who accepted the check from the Fed government had cleared or the one who denounced and took a stand against the bridge to nowhere once the money was safely in Alaska's account? The one who denounced pork barrel projects while mayor of a small town or the one who accepted a per-capita amount 50x the national average from the Fed Gov't?
Message edited by author 2008-09-09 15:34:13. |
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09/09/2008 03:33:05 PM · #228 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. The fact that he has so many that he can't remember how many he owns speaks volumes about how far removed he is from the reality of life as an average American above and beyond any possible deterioration of his mental faculties. |
If you were being interviewed and asked to answer the question, "How many lenses do you own?", would you be able to respond immediately, without counting them off in your head?
Or, if you were under the kind of time pressure McCain was under, would you say "Give me a minute." or just "Quite a few, I don't know the exact number"?
Be honest. |
Lenses don't equate to houses, not by a few orders of magnitude.
In any event, I certainly would be able to give an answer in seconds and would not need to consult with my "staff".
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09/09/2008 03:42:29 PM · #229 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't trust McCain because he claims to be a "maverick" who will stand up for the average guy. He's not. He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. |
I find his claim of being a maverick to be quite substantiated. From his school days (graduating near the last of his class) to his attitude while captive to his Senate record and his recent binding with Senators from both parties to get some judges appointed to the political scars he carries from fights with his own party. Precisely why I like him. Plus he seems to have a genuine friend in Joe Lieberman whom I regard as a thoughtful statesman.
I am not surprised that we see this differently, just not sure how one can dismiss the evidence of "maverickness" and claim he is falsifying that record. |
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09/09/2008 03:47:56 PM · #230 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Which Palin? |
The one who has many scampering for the next character attack. We will know her sins before Nov 4th. Then we'll get to make our choices. |
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09/09/2008 03:48:23 PM · #231 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. The fact that he has so many that he can't remember how many he owns speaks volumes about how far removed he is from the reality of life as an average American above and beyond any possible deterioration of his mental faculties. |
If you were being interviewed and asked to answer the question, "How many lenses do you own?", would you be able to respond immediately, without counting them off in your head?
Or, if you were under the kind of time pressure McCain was under, would you say "Give me a minute." or just "Quite a few, I don't know the exact number"?
Be honest. |
Being poor, not only would I be able to state how many lenses I owned, but I could in all probability identify each one, all of the cameras I have listed on my profile, the number and type of flashes I have. For an added bonus, I could probably rattle off the number and types of film cameras I have and the lenses affiliated to these.
In passing I own two homes, four parcels of land and recenttly owned a parcel of land that was converted into a really nice sub-division.
When you have experienced poverty, you tend to remember those little things I guess.
Ray |
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09/09/2008 04:03:09 PM · #232 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't trust McCain because he claims to be a "maverick" who will stand up for the average guy. He's not. He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. |
I find his claim of being a maverick to be quite substantiated. From his school days (graduating near the last of his class) to his attitude while captive to his Senate record and his recent binding with Senators from both parties to get some judges appointed to the political scars he carries from fights with his own party. Precisely why I like him. Plus he seems to have a genuine friend in Joe Lieberman whom I regard as a thoughtful statesman.
I am not surprised that we see this differently, just not sure how one can dismiss the evidence of "maverickness" and claim he is falsifying that record. |
His voting record shows that McCain toes the party line 90%+ of the time (when he votes or attends hearings that is) and he sticks with the current president on most, if not all, major issues. As his campaign has progressed, he's moved his platform even closer to the Republican party platform. The two may be identical by now. That's just not being a "maverick". |
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09/09/2008 04:04:18 PM · #233 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Which Palin? |
The one who has many scampering for the next character attack. We will know her sins before Nov 4th. Then we'll get to make our choices. |
Citing examples of her flip-flopping is hardly a "character attack". |
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09/09/2008 04:39:03 PM · #234 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. The fact that he has so many that he can't remember how many he owns speaks volumes about how far removed he is from the reality of life as an average American above and beyond any possible deterioration of his mental faculties. |
If you were being interviewed and asked to answer the question, "How many lenses do you own?", would you be able to respond immediately, without counting them off in your head?
Or, if you were under the kind of time pressure McCain was under, would you say "Give me a minute." or just "Quite a few, I don't know the exact number"?
Be honest. |
Being poor, not only would I be able to state how many lenses I owned, but I could in all probability identify each one, all of the cameras I have listed on my profile, the number and type of flashes I have. For an added bonus, I could probably rattle off the number and types of film cameras I have and the lenses affiliated to these.
In passing I own two homes, four parcels of land and recenttly owned a parcel of land that was converted into a really nice sub-division.
When you have experienced poverty, you tend to remember those little things I guess.
Ray |
Would you be as able to rattle them off if they were actually owned by your wife, and you were not knowledgeable about all of her assets?
When John McCain married Cindy , they signed a pre-nuptial agreement that specifies that her assets remain separate - therefore it is not illogical to conclude that John did not have an in-depth knowledge of what those assets were.
The fact of the matter is that most, if not all, of the houses are owned by Mrs. McCain, not John, not the both of them. |
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09/09/2008 04:46:19 PM · #235 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. The fact that he has so many that he can't remember how many he owns speaks volumes about how far removed he is from the reality of life as an average American above and beyond any possible deterioration of his mental faculties. |
If you were being interviewed and asked to answer the question, "How many lenses do you own?", would you be able to respond immediately, without counting them off in your head?
Or, if you were under the kind of time pressure McCain was under, would you say "Give me a minute." or just "Quite a few, I don't know the exact number"?
Be honest. |
Being poor, not only would I be able to state how many lenses I owned, but I could in all probability identify each one, all of the cameras I have listed on my profile, the number and type of flashes I have. For an added bonus, I could probably rattle off the number and types of film cameras I have and the lenses affiliated to these.
In passing I own two homes, four parcels of land and recenttly owned a parcel of land that was converted into a really nice sub-division.
When you have experienced poverty, you tend to remember those little things I guess.
Ray |
Would you be as able to rattle them off if they were actually owned by your wife, and you were not knowledgeable about all of her assets?
When John McCain married Cindy , they signed a pre-nuptial agreement that specifies that her assets remain separate - therefore it is not illogical to conclude that John did not have an in-depth knowledge of what those assets were.
The fact of the matter is that most, if not all, of the houses are owned by Mrs. McCain, not John, not the both of them. |
Come on, you really believe that? It may be that they have them in her name but the question was how many houses he and his wife own, he tried to side step the question by stating he need to consult his staff. Staff?? Why do you need to speak to them if you forgot or don't know, why not talk to your wife? Because he wanted to ask his staff on how he should spin the answer. It's a stupid question anyway, we already know he's rich so what's the point to knowing how many houses he owns? |
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09/09/2008 05:13:53 PM · #236 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
He's one of the wealthy elite who have enough money to buy so many houses that the number exceeds their capacity to remember. The fact that he has so many that he can't remember how many he owns speaks volumes about how far removed he is from the reality of life as an average American above and beyond any possible deterioration of his mental faculties. |
If you were being interviewed and asked to answer the question, "How many lenses do you own?", would you be able to respond immediately, without counting them off in your head?
Or, if you were under the kind of time pressure McCain was under, would you say "Give me a minute." or just "Quite a few, I don't know the exact number"?
Be honest. |
Being poor, not only would I be able to state how many lenses I owned, but I could in all probability identify each one, all of the cameras I have listed on my profile, the number and type of flashes I have. For an added bonus, I could probably rattle off the number and types of film cameras I have and the lenses affiliated to these.
In passing I own two homes, four parcels of land and recenttly owned a parcel of land that was converted into a really nice sub-division.
When you have experienced poverty, you tend to remember those little things I guess.
Ray |
Would you be as able to rattle them off if they were actually owned by your wife, and you were not knowledgeable about all of her assets?
When John McCain married Cindy , they signed a pre-nuptial agreement that specifies that her assets remain separate - therefore it is not illogical to conclude that John did not have an in-depth knowledge of what those assets were.
The fact of the matter is that most, if not all, of the houses are owned by Mrs. McCain, not John, not the both of them. |
I'm sure you've read the actual prenup document and therefore know all the details therein. Do you have a link? I can't seem to find it.
It just shows how disconnected McCain is from the life of the average American that he would need to defer in order to consult with his staff on the matter of how many houses they own before giving an answer.
Message edited by author 2008-09-09 17:25:23. |
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09/09/2008 06:34:13 PM · #237 |
I'll have to say up to now the selection of Sarah Palin has looked like pure genius. However, I'd like to see what shakes out at the debate. I'm afraid the gig will be up at that point...
No questions please...
Message edited by author 2008-09-09 18:34:33. |
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09/09/2008 07:30:34 PM · #238 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'll have to say up to now the selection of Sarah Palin has looked like pure genius. However, I'd like to see what shakes out at the debate. I'm afraid the gig will be up at that point...
No questions please... |
What's that line? Oh yeah, "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".
McCain Now Winning Majority of Independents
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09/09/2008 09:12:33 PM · #239 |
| Man, it's like putting lipstick on a pig! |
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09/10/2008 09:10:55 AM · #240 |
Is McCain a flip-flopper?
And before I get thoroughly bashed -- I'm sure someone could put together an equally amusing video with Obama quotes -- so if you find one, please post it. |
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09/10/2008 09:19:45 AM · #241 |
On a similar note, here is a hilarious/disturbing "exposé" of how Fox "News" covers politics, courtesy of The Daily Show:
September 3, 2008: Sarah Palin Gender Card
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09/10/2008 10:18:43 AM · #242 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, it's like putting lipstick on a pig! |
Although I suspect that Obama wasn't intentionally calling Sarah a pig, terms do over time take on different meanings and associations. The word "cool" was a reference to temperature before it came to be associated with "hip" and "groovy". The term "lipstick" has become associated with Palin since her VP acceptance speech and clearly Biden was using the word to refer to Palin in this reference in this article. So if the term "lipstick" has morphed into an identifier with Palin, then at best - Obama made a blunder in choosing that particular phrase. At worst, he turned off many voters that might have been undecided. We'll see if this has legs.
My main point is not that the term hasn't been used before, but that since Palin's VP speech, the term came to identify with her - which in my opinion changes the dynamics of the association - regardless of who or how many times it was used previously.
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09/10/2008 10:50:58 AM · #243 |
Originally posted by Flash:
terms do over time take on different meanings and associations. |
Georgia GOP Congressman Calls Obama 'Uppity'
EDIT: And by the way, I followed the link Flash provided and read the article. If Fox News can't even slant the lipstick story convincingly, it is indeed a fake controversy.
Message edited by author 2008-09-10 11:15:16. |
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09/10/2008 11:09:29 AM · #244 |
Originally posted by Flash:
terms do over time take on different meanings and associations. The word "cool" was a reference to temperature before it came to be associated with "hip" and "groovy". The term "lipstick" has become associated with Palin since her VP acceptance speech... |
Indeed... the term "American" was once viewed positively in other countries before it came to be associated with military aggression and torture.
It's a fairly common expression, and I'm sure you know McCain himself has used the exact same phrase at least twice in the past year... before he ever met Palin. It should be readily apparent that Obama's use was in reference to calling the same old policies "change" (not even referring to a person), and it would be disingenuous for the GOP to cry foul over use of a word they "associate" with themselves when they continue to play Barracuda against the wishes of Heart. :-/
Message edited by author 2008-09-10 11:37:12. |
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09/10/2008 11:52:15 AM · #245 |
Originally posted by citymars:
EDIT: And by the way, I followed the link Flash provided and read the article. If Fox News can't even slant the lipstick story convincingly, it is indeed a fake controversy. |
The one reply I would make is to read the reaction comments to the article I linked. It is telling of how the perception is playing out. Regardless of whether you agree with the respondents, their replys represent some statistcal representation of the voting block at large. A voting block that both candidates need.
Although I sense Obama did not intend for the term to be a personal slam against Palin, my immediate association was with her - and apparently many others felt/feel the same way. Not good for a politician seeking votes. |
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09/10/2008 11:55:03 AM · #246 |
Originally posted by Flash:
At worst, he turned off many voters that might have been undecided. We'll see if this has legs. |
If the undecided American voter is using criteria such as this to help them decide, we may as well just all give up now...
I see it as basically the hypersensitivity each campaign utilizes in a throw-it-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks mentality. Every day both campaign managers are "outraged" and "incensed" and "take extreme umbrage" with something the other camp said. EVERY DAY! It's like the campaigns are run by a bunch of second graders at recess.
Message edited by author 2008-09-10 11:56:43. |
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09/10/2008 11:58:58 AM · #247 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Flash:
[quote=DrAchoo] At worst, he turned off many voters that might have been undecided. We'll see if this has legs. |
If the undecided American voter is using criteria such as this to help them decide, we may as well just all give up now... |
It may not be the entire criteria, but it might be an element of it. Certainly those who choose to support Obama (or McCain) are faced with elements (of their person and campaigns) that they must either consider, justify or ignore. This is simply one more. |
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09/10/2008 12:00:25 PM · #248 |
Originally posted by Flash:
The one reply I would make is to read the reaction comments to the article I linked. It is telling of how the perception is playing out. Regardless of whether you agree with the respondents, their replys represent some statistcal representation of the voting block at large. |
13 responses on a Fox News site is NOT a statistcal representation, much less that of the voting block at large. |
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09/10/2008 12:06:40 PM · #249 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Flash:
The one reply I would make is to read the reaction comments to the article I linked. It is telling of how the perception is playing out. Regardless of whether you agree with the respondents, their replys represent some statistcal representation of the voting block at large. |
13 responses on a Fox News site is NOT a statistcal representation, much less that of the voting block at large. |
Sure it is. Each reply is statistically representative of others who chose not to reply but feel the same or similar. Just like calling 600 likely voters is statistically representative of "x" opinion. |
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09/10/2008 12:07:37 PM · #250 |
I guess the phrase "that dog dont hunt" is a sexist reference to Pailin also now.
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