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Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

08/28/2008 12:47:54 AM · #26

Lets just put it this way...every lens that works on the D40 will work on a D50, D60, D70, D80, D90, D100, D200, D300

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

08/28/2008 12:47:57 AM · #27

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

No Jaker is right. The D40 and D40x can only use AF-S lenses.

Erick: Jaker isn't concerned about using non-AF-S on his D60. He's wondering whether, if he buys AF-S lenses to use on his D60, will they work on other bodies like the D200. He's concerned about his upgrade path, which is sensible.

He assumed that the AF incompatibility between non-AF-S lenses and the D60 meant that AF-S lenses were incompatible with bodies like the D200.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

08/28/2008 12:48:06 AM · #28

Took to long again...

Yes, all of that makes sense, and I was already aware of that. I know my body requires the AF-S series as it has no motor in the body, But can a body that DOES have a focusing motor built in still use a lens that also has a motor built into it???

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

08/28/2008 12:49:05 AM · #29

Originally posted by Jaker:

YES.

Shutter-For-Hire

Nikon D90

Nikon AF Nikkor 24mm f/2.8D

08/28/2008 12:49:05 AM · #30

yes

08/28/2008 12:49:55 AM · #31

OK... I finally got it!!!

Well that changes my whole line of thinking.

I can buy any AF-S lens I need for my current camera, and still be able to use it if i upgrqade my body at a later date.

right... ;-)

08/28/2008 12:50:38 AM · #32

lol

thanks guys! I really appreciate it! Hard to do this in real time!

You guys have been a big help, and corrected a HUGE misconception that I had!

Message edited by author 2008-08-28 00:51:44.

DarkRider

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

08/28/2008 12:51:20 AM · #33

That was fun...Good luck Jake!...I'm going to bed :-)

crayon

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

08/28/2008 12:51:39 AM · #34

Originally posted by Jaker:

but those lenses with internal AF motors cost a lot.
so if you are gonna upgrade your body with AF-servo, do it soon!

DarkRider

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

08/28/2008 12:52:00 AM · #35

Originally posted by Jaker:

YES 100%

Shutter-For-Hire

Nikon D90

Nikon AF Nikkor 24mm f/2.8D

08/28/2008 12:52:08 AM · #36

Every Nikon SLR camera make from 1990 to 2009 will auto focus properly with Every Nikon Auto focus lens made from 1990 to 2009. (even earlier than 1990 i think... anyway...)

EXCEPT the nikon D40, D40x, and D60... those three cameras are teh only ones made that will ONLY auto focus on AFS lenses...

thanks the only problem with them...

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

08/28/2008 12:52:35 AM · #37

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
No Jaker is right. The D40 and D40x can only use AF-S lenses.

Erick: Jaker isn't concerned about using non-AF-S on his D60. He's wondering whether, if he buys AF-S lenses to use on his D60, will they work on other bodies like the D200. He's concerned about his upgrade path, which is sensible.

He assumed that the AF incompatibility between non-AF-S lenses and the D60 meant that AF-S lenses were incompatible with bodies like the D200.

I got that I was correcting the point that the others said his camera was backwards compatible and could use AF lenses.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

08/28/2008 12:54:38 AM · #38

Thanks Erick! I think so many of us were posting at the same time that things got a little confusing. :-)

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

08/28/2008 12:55:57 AM · #39

Originally posted by Jaker:

Thanks Erick! I think so many of us were posting at the same time that things got a little confusing. :-)

Who's on first? ;)

onesaint

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

08/28/2008 01:24:44 AM · #40

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by Jaker:
Thanks Erick! I think so many of us were posting at the same time that things got a little confusing. :-)

Who's on first? ;)

What? =^D

Hi Jake! first thing is can the D40x support converters? if so grab a 2X TC and slap that on the 55-200. youll loose 2-3 stops, but gain the reach you need.

If you invest in more AF-S lenses and keep the D40 body youll be good. they are here to stay and are going nowhere. However, they are more expensive as noted before. So another option is to pick up a D60 / 70 /80 and start invewsting in the older used lenses like the AF-Ds.

Although that seems like a step to the side, it might save you some money in the long run. Sell the D40x and get a D60. you spend the money once and then can pick up used lenses.

Glass will long outlast your body. out of my 4 lenses 3 of them are used and in perfect condition.

good luck!

Message edited by author 2008-08-28 01:25:05.

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

08/28/2008 01:31:18 AM · #41

I shoot with Fuji S3's which are compatible with Nikkor lenses from the end of the "Non Ai" era, about 1969 forward. On the "Non Ai" lenses, the back of the aperture ring is smooth all around, and that interferes with the "aperture sensing lever" which sticks out of the camera body on the left side of the lens mount when looking at the front of the mount. The "Ai" lenses have notches in the aperture ring, which touch the lever and move it at the smallest aperture setting, 22, 32 or such for the different lenses. Having an early lens "Ai'd" so that it will safely mount on the digitals is not expensive at all.
No one has mentioned about the aperture actuation with the D40 or D40X yet, and I am wondering if it is pure electronic, or if it uses the aperture lever sticking out of the back of the lens mount?
I have an AFS 18-70 "G" Nikkor, and it has the lever and no aperture ring, so I am thinking that the D40 will work with earlier lenses, but only by using manual focusing.
Another important thing to think about if you go with the older lenses is metering.
The Fuji S3's do not meter with Ai lenses which are not CPU, (no chip, no electrical contacts,) and I suspect that the D40 series would have the same problem. The"E", "D" and "G" lenses will definitely work with the metering, but only the AF-S series and similar after market lenses will auto focus with the D40. I have learned how to shoot with the early "no chip" lenses by using the LCD and histogram as a meter after the first shot. The older lenses are built like jewelry and some have amazing sharpness and color contrast. It takes some time to learn to use them well, but it is a lot less expensive to get the ones that will give you the photos. The oldies will all cover a full frame too.
If you do go to full frame sensor, then you will lose quite a lot in reach compared to what you are getting now with the APC sensor and your longest lens.
A mirror lens is another inexpensive option to get the long shots in full daylight without spending a ton of cash. They are fickle about focusing though, but most of your surf shots would be at near infinity, and you could prefocus and watch to shoot when the subjects get in the zone.
One last thing, if you are hand holding for your surf shots, you may want to try a good monopod or good tripod. It will make a big difference, even if you have been shooting at 1/1,000 sec, you can see a big difference in sharpness over hand holding the 200 mm shots.
Good luck, and happy surfing.

08/28/2008 01:35:33 AM · #42

Well look who it is... a fellow JOKER! GO JOKERS!!

The D40x can support TCs, but again, they have separate ones for my body. I though about going that way for some more reach, but I don't know if my lens could handle the loss in stops, especially at the far end. For surfing it would probably be OK as it's usually pretty bright out, but anything else and it might be a problem.

And i might be wrong on this, but i believe the D60 also only supports the AF-S series lenses, and now also the D-90. i would have to double check though, especially with my new understanding of things! lol

Apple iPhone 5

08/28/2008 06:15:52 AM · #43

Originally posted by Jaker:

And i might be wrong on this, but i believe the D60 also only supports the AF-S series lenses, and now also the D-90. i would have to double check though, especially with my new understanding of things! lol

The D90 is the upgrade for the D80 and has full lens af support (D70 -> D70s -> D80 -> D90)

The D60 belongs to the entry level lineup (D40 -> D40x -> D50 -> D60)

Check specs here: //www.dpreview.com

ETA: The bodies without the focus motor are the D40, the D40x and the D60. So for auto-focus functionality you'll need lenses which have a focus motor built-in (e.g. the AF-S series, Sigma HSM, some Tamrons etc.)

Message edited by author 2008-08-28 06:37:29.

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

08/28/2008 07:04:46 AM · #44

OMg so what you all are saying is that I can change out my lens??? HOLYCRAP I have been using my 18-55 for everything because I didn't know you could change the lens.

Apple iPhone 5

08/28/2008 07:22:30 AM · #45

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

OMg so what you all are saying is that I can change out my lens??? HOLYCRAP I have been using my 18-55 for everything because I didn't know you could change the lens.

Send me your unused 55-200 then... :)

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF Nikkor 24mm f/2.8D

08/28/2008 07:39:45 AM · #46

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
OMg so what you all are saying is that I can change out my lens??? HOLYCRAP I have been using my 18-55 for everything because I didn't know you could change the lens.

Send me your unused 55-200 then... :)

hahahahahah. Actually I will be selling it soon, Sometime within the next two weeks I'll be getting the 105mm 2.8 followed by the 18-200. So hopefully I'll be selling both my 18-55 and the 55-200

Shutter-For-Hire

Nikon D90

08/28/2008 07:44:16 AM · #47

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by Jaker:
And i might be wrong on this, but i believe the D60 also only supports the AF-S series lenses, and now also the D-90. i would have to double check though, especially with my new understanding of things! lol

The D90 is the upgrade for the D80 and has full lens af support (D70 -> D70s -> D80 -> D90)

The D60 belongs to the entry level lineup (D40 -> D40x -> D50 -> D60)

Check specs here: //www.dpreview.com

ETA: The bodies without the focus motor are the D40, the D40x and the D60. So for auto-focus functionality you'll need lenses which have a focus motor built-in (e.g. the AF-S series, Sigma HSM, some Tamrons etc.)

Just to make note of something... the D50 was released BEFORE the D40 and the D50 is NOT at the same consumer level as the D40 because teh D50 will autofocus on all AF and AF-D nikon lenses...

The D50 is just like a D70s; they were both released in april 2005... there are only small differences between the two... for example, D50 has no DOF preview button, but the D70s does... there are other small small differences but they are pretty close...

I just don't wan't people to think that D50 is a consumer level camera... well,,, i mean it kind of is... but in terems of Nikon DSLR, when one says consumer level, they are pretty much saying that it can only use newer AF-S lenses... so D40, D40x and D60 are consumer... and the D50 is not (under that criteria)...

Becides... what is the max shutter flash sync speed on everyone elses camera? 1/125 ? 1/250 ?

the D50 is 1/500 !!! this is very helpful when using studio lights like a soft box outside ... it can halp you gain the shallow depth of field without the use of a ND filter...

shalrath

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.4D IF

08/28/2008 07:51:10 AM · #48

In case you feel like going really long... back to the original discussion... there's always The Bigma... could make that little D40 feel a tad heavy though... hehe

Apple iPhone 5

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

08/28/2008 08:52:38 AM · #49

Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:

Originally posted by JH:
The D90 is the upgrade for the D80 and has full lens af support (D70 -> D70s -> D80 -> D90)

The D60 belongs to the entry level lineup (D40 -> D40x -> D50 -> D60)

Check specs here: //www.dpreview.com

ETA: The bodies without the focus motor are the D40, the D40x and the D60. So for auto-focus functionality you'll need lenses which have a focus motor built-in (e.g. the AF-S series, Sigma HSM, some Tamrons etc.)

Just to make note of something... the D50 was released BEFORE the D40 and the D50 is NOT at the same consumer level as the D40 because teh D50 will autofocus on all AF and AF-D nikon lenses...

The D50 is just like a D70s; they were both released in april 2005... there are only small differences between the two... for example, D50 has no DOF preview button, but the D70s does... there are other small small differences but they are pretty close...

I just don't wan't people to think that D50 is a consumer level camera... well,,, i mean it kind of is... but in terems of Nikon DSLR, when one says consumer level, they are pretty much saying that it can only use newer AF-S lenses... so D40, D40x and D60 are consumer... and the D50 is not (under that criteria)...

I referred to it as entry level, not consumer level. When the D50 was released it was Nikon's entry-level dSLR as it was the cheapest one in the range. Now, I don't want people to think the D50 is 'cheap', so let's just say it's was the least expensive. :-D

Another interesting point to note is that Nikon discontinued the D50 when they released the D40. But I understand what you're saying. The D40 isn't a natural upgrade to the D50, as the D50 had features over the D40 (which probably explains why they named it 'D40', and not 'D60') .

But at the time, Nikons offering was; D50 (entry-level) followed by D70 , D100, and then the D1H. I remember thinking it was very strange that they replaced the D50 with the D40, if the D50 had been available I'd have bought that instead of the D40.

spiritualspatula