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08/25/2008 12:19:30 PM · #1 |
I have been noticing lately that people are throwing out names when commenting during a challenge, such as "wow, this is awesome, could this be ????". While I am not accusing anyone, I think this may be a new way of cheating. Face it, everyone here knows someone, they may email, im, or speak outside of dpchallenge, and may mention that they are in a certain challenge, look for the ..... pic. That someone then comments during that challenge using a name, and if enough people like their style of photography, may score higher than what they may have not knowing who it was. I have seen many pics hit the front page that were definitly not worthy of a ribbon, when other pics in the same challenge were. You scroll down the comments, and lo and behold, you see the comment "could this be ??????, this is beautiful". And so that cues others who may use this trick to realize who the photographer is, and thus vote higher or lower, depending on whether they like their style, or the person. I just think we need to start a new rule which would make it against the rules to mention names in comments when voting during a challenge. I feel the penalty should be disqualification if a name is mentioned. Anyone have any comments or responses to this? Maybe see this also?
Message edited by author 2008-08-25 12:22:07. |
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08/25/2008 12:21:06 PM · #2 |
You can't see the other comments when voting anyways...
Paranoia's bad mkay! |
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08/25/2008 12:25:20 PM · #3 |
| Nah, you can not see the comments in voting. I think some people are now so predictible that you can pretty much guess whose shot it is when you see it. |
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08/25/2008 12:26:57 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Nah, you can not see the comments in voting. I think some people are now so predictible that you can pretty much guess whose shot it is when you see it. |
yeah, I was going to point this out...not sure what you are getting at rugman.
eta: I think it is a great honor to have my picture thought of as someone elses. I think it only happened to me once but it was for a much better photographer so it made my day. No reason to have a rule against it.
Message edited by author 2008-08-25 12:28:30. |
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08/25/2008 12:27:37 PM · #5 |
I was recently mistaken for  IreneM during a challenge and was very honored to be. It was my Strawberries and cream shot. Now I agree with you in the sense that you shouldn't know the identity of the person you are voting on, I don't think a disqualification would have been in order because someone thought I was their friend.
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08/25/2008 12:57:23 PM · #6 |
If you like a photographer's style, what's wrong with giving a picture of that style(not the photographer) a high vote? What if you recognize a photographer's style but don't like it and give it a low vote?
Who would monitor such a thing?
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08/25/2008 01:09:54 PM · #7 |
Re the original post; If having a user name posted in a comment during voting would cause a DQ, then all someone would have to do to get a lot of top shelf images DQ'd would be to get some pals and go through the images in voting, and post comments using user names. It can't work that way.
Voters can not see other peoples comments during voting anyway, so they are only seen after rollover.
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08/25/2008 01:30:53 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
You can't see the other comments when voting anyways...
Paranoia's bad mkay! |
Where would we be w/o the paranoia? :O |
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08/25/2008 01:34:44 PM · #9 |
Wow! This is an awesome thread. Could this be...rugman1969??
Originally posted by sabphoto:
I think it is a great honor to have my picture thought of as someone elses. |
I thought for sure I'd mistaken several of your entries for a whiterook, Scott. :P |
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08/25/2008 01:41:00 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Wow! This is an awesome thread. Could this be...rugman1969??
Originally posted by sabphoto:
I think it is a great honor to have my picture thought of as someone elses. |
I thought for sure I'd mistaken several of your entries for a whiterook, Scott. :P |
DONT EVER KNOCK `THE ROOK`...
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08/25/2008 01:50:00 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Wow! This is an awesome thread. Could this be...rugman1969??
Originally posted by sabphoto:
I think it is a great honor to have my picture thought of as someone elses. |
I thought for sure I'd mistaken several of your entries for a whiterook, Scott. :P |
DONT EVER KNOCK `THE ROOK`...
;) |
That's right, Art! Your torches have no power against his castle walls! |
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08/25/2008 01:52:26 PM · #12 |
| Time to build some siege weapons... |
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08/25/2008 01:53:15 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Time to build some siege weapons... |
Can't Godzilla deal with castle walls?
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08/25/2008 01:53:27 PM · #14 |
| Ha! this thread is funny. Just because I can pinpoint someone's work and maybe call it out in a comment (which I rarely do) doesn't even mean I'm a friend! Online or offline. I called one out today whom I have never communicated with. It's more like a guessing game than anything. |
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08/25/2008 01:57:12 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Time to build some siege weapons... |
Can't Godzilla deal with castle walls? |
Oh yeah. Duh, he's got radioactive breath.
To be fair to the OP, I think it's reasonable to bring up a concern about cheating or fairness, but in this case, it was a mistaken presumption that voters could read comments during voting. Hope you don't feel attacked for bringing it up. |
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08/25/2008 01:59:27 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
You can't see the other comments when voting anyways...
Paranoia's bad mkay! |
Who told you I was paranoid, WHO? I know people are always talking about me saying I'm paranoid and stuff! ;-) |
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08/25/2008 03:06:39 PM · #17 |
The OP may be wrong about voters being able see other people's comments during voting, but I don't think there's any doubt that voters often identify the owners of challenge entries. I think they also adjust the scores they give such photos (either up or down) based on their personal feelings about the photographer. And whether they raise or the lower the score, in my opinion, that is cheating.
I think there's also a lot more 'Rikki' voting going on than anyone is willing to admit. Yes, I know there's supposed to be algorithms in place that guard against such 'friend' voting. However, I'm also an experienced programmer and I know how difficult (virtually impossible) it would be to write code that would work well for something like this.
Unfortunately, without going to judging panels and doing away with the 'popular vote', I don't think there's anything to be done about it. Even if we did switch to judging panels, the scores would still reflect each judge̢۪s personal bias. After all, humans will be human. Some may be prejudiced against photos with saturated colors, and others may love it. Some will like a given subject and others will hate it. Everyone will have his or her own opinion on any given subject. It̢۪s simply human nature. People can say they̢۪re being totally unbiased all they want, but people are not machines. They will vote based on their opinions, biases, and personal knowledge (or lack thereof) of the criteria specified for such judging. What else is there for them to go by?
If I ever get enough time and energy to enter another challenge, I will do it for the comments my photo may receive. I will not expect an impartial score based on how well my photo compares to others in the challenge.
How's that for paranoia? :D
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08/25/2008 03:14:41 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Wow! This is an awesome thread. Could this be...rugman1969??
Originally posted by sabphoto:
I think it is a great honor to have my picture thought of as someone elses. |
I thought for sure I'd mistaken several of your entries for a whiterook, Scott. :P |
HEY! lol I had to laugh when I saw this, knew exactly who you were talking about, and even had to agree with many of my images lol |
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08/25/2008 04:03:01 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Mick:
How's that for paranoia? :D |
You make a good case for it! :-P |
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08/25/2008 05:05:33 PM · #20 |
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08/25/2008 06:20:18 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Mick:
I think there's also a lot more 'Rikki' voting going on than anyone is willing to admit. |
You used the "R" word. ;-) |
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08/26/2008 11:31:01 AM · #22 |
| personally I think people are completely biased against mediocre photos. Mine never score well. |
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08/31/2008 12:44:17 AM · #23 |
When I see what I find to be mediocre photos scoring high above technically and aesthetically better ones, I can't help but wonder just how much preferential treatment voting is going on amongst friends and more so, teams.
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09/02/2008 11:03:58 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
When I see what I find to be mediocre photos scoring high above technically and aesthetically better ones, I can't help but wonder just how much preferential treatment voting is going on amongst friends and more so, teams. |
That is only your opinion Laura. Photos you find mediocre are jewels to others. You can't accuse or hint at preferential treatment just because you think an image deserves to be above another one that you think stinks. |
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09/02/2008 07:01:40 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by LadyTara:
When I see what I find to be mediocre photos scoring high above technically and aesthetically better ones, I can't help but wonder just how much preferential treatment voting is going on amongst friends and more so, teams. |
That is only your opinion Laura. Photos you find mediocre are jewels to others. You can't accuse or hint at preferential treatment just because you think an image deserves to be above another one that you think stinks. |
Jac, IMO, your comment makes some sense in a way, because judging an art form is a very subjective experience. (ETA: Spell correction)
However, talking about paranoia (;-), whos to say there isnt any friendly voting going on? All it would take would be to register new pals as free members (friends) OR PM/email existing ones to get help during voting:-)
All I am saying is that it is definitely possible to do something like this... whether or not it will affect the final score, will depend on the statistical sample size of the 'pals' v/s the rest of the voters. And so I say it again: lets lift the limit on the number of open challenges one can participate in per week. Its about sharing, and improving an artform. Why so many restrictions? Let the submissions reach 500...1000... and then let the best one win ;-)
Message edited by author 2008-09-02 19:40:02. |
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