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08/23/2008 06:36:19 PM · #251 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
I think I have figured it out. It is envy of those who have by those who don't have. Well I can give you guys "the have nots" some practical advice get a education, find a job build your wealth and quit complaining cause someone else succeeded where you have failed. |
I say this with complete and total honesty. If having wealth meant being like you I would rather be poor. I'll give you some practical advice... stop thinking so much of yourself. We will all meet the same end and you can't take it with you. |
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08/23/2008 07:05:53 PM · #252 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by coronamv:
I think I have figured it out. It is envy of those who have by those who don't have. Well I can give you guys "the have nots" some practical advice get a education, find a job build your wealth and quit complaining cause someone else succeeded where you have failed. |
I say this with complete and total honesty. If having wealth meant being like you I would rather be poor. I'll give you some practical advice... stop thinking so much of yourself. We will all meet the same end and you can't take it with you. |
I can hardly believe it, but I finally agree with  dponlyme on something. |
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08/23/2008 09:00:52 PM · #253 |
| Actually I'm thinking of everyone else since I'm the one that does not need other peoples hard earned money to survive. I can do it on my own. You seem to think having money makes you evil. I amount that to being envy. |
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08/23/2008 09:20:13 PM · #254 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Actually I'm thinking of everyone else since I'm the one that does not need other peoples hard earned money to survive. I can do it on my own. You seem to think having money makes you evil. I amount that to being envy. |
I don't envy you. I just feel sorry for you. |
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08/23/2008 10:21:36 PM · #255 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
I think I have figured it out. It is envy of those who have by those who don't have. Well I can give you guys "the have nots" some practical advice get a education, find a job build your wealth and quit complaining cause someone else succeeded where you have failed. |
Exactly how did you arrive at the conclusion that those of us who disagree with you are necessarily "Have not" and have failed. The ability to show compassion and to share is not to be misconstrued as a weakness or some sort of character flaw.
I certainly hope you never experience some serious setback, but if you did you might have a better grasp of what life is like for some and possibly kindle some sympathy for those less fortunate.
Ray
Message edited by author 2008-08-24 11:56:32. |
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08/23/2008 10:26:05 PM · #256 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Actually I'm thinking of everyone else since I'm the one that does not need other peoples hard earned money to survive. I can do it on my own. You seem to think having money makes you evil. |
Anybody else hearing the voice of Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life? |
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08/23/2008 10:27:55 PM · #257 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by coronamv:
I think I have figured it out. It is envy of those who have by those who don't have. Well I can give you guys "the have nots" some practical advice get a education, find a job build your wealth and quit complaining cause someone else succeeded where you have failed. |
I say this with complete and total honesty. If having wealth meant being like you I would rather be poor. I'll give you some practical advice... stop thinking so much of yourself. We will all meet the same end and you can't take it with you. |
I can hardly believe it, but I finally agree with dponlyme on something. |
...and in one fell swoop dponlyme managed to get two people to agree with him on the same thing... scary :O)
Ray
Message edited by author 2008-08-23 22:37:20. |
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08/24/2008 12:51:48 AM · #258 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I say this with complete and total honesty. If having wealth meant being like you I would rather be poor. I'll give you some practical advice... stop thinking so much of yourself. We will all meet the same end and you can't take it with you. |
You are right. You can't take it with you...but you can leave it to your children and grandchildren to give them a better life.
Wait, if you are too rich..you can only leave them half of it..the rest goes to the government. Nevermind that they already paid taxes on the money that they made...and on the things that they bought..we are going to tax them as they pass out of the world too. Why? Because they are TOO successfull. |
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08/24/2008 05:05:56 AM · #259 |
Originally posted by egamble:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I say this with complete and total honesty. If having wealth meant being like you I would rather be poor. I'll give you some practical advice... stop thinking so much of yourself. We will all meet the same end and you can't take it with you. |
You are right. You can't take it with you...but you can leave it to your children and grandchildren to give them a better life.
Wait, if you are too rich..you can only leave them half of it..the rest goes to the government. Nevermind that they already paid taxes on the money that they made...and on the things that they bought..we are going to tax them as they pass out of the world too. Why? Because they are TOO successfull. |
Why do you equate having a little bit of money to having a better life. I think that is where the disconnect comes in. You don't have to have a lot of money to have a good life. Plenty of rich people aren't happy and you certainly can't buy love. Love and happiness = good life in my book. You equate success in life with how much money you earn/have. If that really is the case then as a teacher I'm sure you must consider yourself a pathetic failure. Maybe if you focused on the good things in your life you wouldn't be so bitter about paying taxes and people getting food stamps. I hope there are some. If you only had a little more money... |
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08/24/2008 05:10:50 AM · #260 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by coronamv:
I think I have figured it out. It is envy of those who have by those who don't have. Well I can give you guys "the have nots" some practical advice get a education, find a job build your wealth and quit complaining cause someone else succeeded where you have failed. |
I say this with complete and total honesty. If having wealth meant being like you I would rather be poor. I'll give you some practical advice... stop thinking so much of yourself. We will all meet the same end and you can't take it with you. |
I can hardly believe it, but I finally agree with dponlyme on something. |
...and in one fell swoop dponlyme managed to get two people to agree with him on the same thing... scary :O)
Ray |
Not so scary when you consider your agreeing that you would rather not be a mean and nasty person with a huge ego problem. |
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08/24/2008 10:29:13 AM · #261 |
Originally posted by egamble:
Wait, if you are too rich..you can only leave them half of it..the rest goes to the government. Nevermind that they already paid taxes on the money that they made...and on the things that they bought..we are going to tax them as they pass out of the world too. Why? Because they are TOO successfull. |
Read up a bit. Inheritance and estate taxes are being phased out. Spouses pay no tax at all on inheritance. And direct descendants claim tax relief. Also, though the article claims inheritance taxes are "high", 4.5% seems pretty low to me. |
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08/24/2008 11:05:07 AM · #262 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Why do you equate having a little bit of money to having a better life. I think that is where the disconnect comes in. You don't have to have a lot of money to have a good life. Plenty of rich people aren't happy and you certainly can't buy love. Love and happiness = good life in my book. You equate success in life with how much money you earn/have. If that really is the case then as a teacher I'm sure you must consider yourself a pathetic failure. Maybe if you focused on the good things in your life you wouldn't be so bitter about paying taxes and people getting food stamps. I hope there are some. If you only had a little more money... |
1._ I never said money could buy you happiness OR love. Just because you want people to help pay to put food in YOUR mouth...doesn't mean that I want you putting words in mine.
3.) I said the money would help them have a better life. I never said anything about it helping their life be a success...
3.) 'If that really is the case then as a teacher I'm sure you must consider yourself a pathetic failure'
You are operating under the assumption that I consider the acquirement of aa great deal of money to be a successful life. In reality, I consider being self sufficient a success.....so between the two of us...you are the failure in my eyes because YOU don't have the ability to provide for your family like a real man. (see, I can be a jerk too...)
On the other hand...I can more than adequately pay for housing, food, a new car, insurance...and the things that we want.
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08/24/2008 11:07:10 AM · #263 |
| It's so interesting to me to watch you both display the love, humility, and compassion of Jesus. |
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08/24/2008 11:10:45 AM · #264 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Read up a bit. Inheritance and estate taxes are being phased out. Spouses pay no tax at all on inheritance. And direct descendants claim tax relief. Also, though the article claims inheritance taxes are "high", 4.5% seems pretty low to me. |
Interesting.
This is an honest question..since I am not up to date on the subject...would Obama keep these taxes from phasing out?
I thought he was going to try and stop this from happening. (reads article) |
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08/24/2008 11:12:16 AM · #265 |
small edit: this article says the estate taxes started decreasing in '01. This would have been a Bush initiative...so it could be repealed and jacked back up again..right?
However, the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 has been phasing out the estate tax, and is set to repeal it in 2010. Oddly, in 2011 the tax will rise from the dead. The U.S. Congress continues to debate the final fate of the estate tax.
Nope..I was right. The republicans didn't make it permanent...because they wanted to be able to have an issue against the Democrats. Stupid procedural morons...
So if Obama wins...and the dem's keep their majority...this thing will revive...with probably a higher rate than before.
Ok. Louis how is an estate or inheritance tax fair?
Let's just say that a person leaves ONLY goods. (house, car, boat..etc) and no money.
These taxes would constitute a triple tax on the same money. You get your income tax taken out...you pay a sales tax...then you get taxed a third time..on the same money. Doesn't seem right. (This is why a national sales tax seems like the fairest option)
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08/24/2008 12:15:23 PM · #266 |
Originally posted by egamble:
Ok. Louis how is an estate or inheritance tax fair? |
I didn't offer, nor do I have, an opinion on how equitable or not it is, I just supplied the link. |
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08/24/2008 02:24:11 PM · #267 |
Estate/Inheritance taxes are one reason you have a good estate plan. If you're stupid enough to die without one, you're stupid enough to pay the full tax. OK, you won't pay it, you'll be worm food, but your heirs will pay it.
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08/24/2008 08:23:28 PM · #268 |
Originally posted by egamble:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Why do you equate having a little bit of money to having a better life. I think that is where the disconnect comes in. You don't have to have a lot of money to have a good life. Plenty of rich people aren't happy and you certainly can't buy love. Love and happiness = good life in my book. You equate success in life with how much money you earn/have. If that really is the case then as a teacher I'm sure you must consider yourself a pathetic failure. Maybe if you focused on the good things in your life you wouldn't be so bitter about paying taxes and people getting food stamps. I hope there are some. If you only had a little more money... |
1._ I never said money could buy you happiness OR love. Just because you want people to help pay to put food in YOUR mouth...doesn't mean that I want you putting words in mine.
3.) I said the money would help them have a better life. I never said anything about it helping their life be a success...
3.) 'If that really is the case then as a teacher I'm sure you must consider yourself a pathetic failure'
You are operating under the assumption that I consider the acquirement of aa great deal of money to be a successful life. In reality, I consider being self sufficient a success.....so between the two of us...you are the failure in my eyes because YOU don't have the ability to provide for your family like a real man. (see, I can be a jerk too...)
On the other hand...I can more than adequately pay for housing, food, a new car, insurance...and the things that we want. |
I already know that you can be a jerk... you didn't have to prove it to me. Since you don't know me or anything about my life I don't take your cruelty to heart. You don't know what my problems are but even if you did I'm sure you still would begrudge me the ability to feed my children so that you could buy a new car. Human life and in particular other peoples children apparently do not mean that much to the teacher. That's the way people like you think. It's not enough to be self sufficient you need more or you wouldn't gripe about the taxes so much now would you. It's all about you. No compassion or understanding or for that matter even the benefit of the doubt.
Indeed how can giving the money to your children help them to have a better life? I assume they would be self supporting like yourself right? Again no amount of money can help you to have more happiness or love in your life. All your money will do is allow them to buy more things in life. At the end will they look back and think of the things they bought with your money and how much better their lives were? If you didn't leave them a penny would they look back and wonder what might have been if only you had left them some money? vanity of vanities I say. It's all just a chasing after the wind. So you can feel justified and you can feel self righteous because after all you are able to support yourself and as of this moment I am not. When I am able to what will you say then? It will be because of the foodstamps that have allowed me to get back to that point. Only then will I be fully human to you deserving of the very necessities of life? Only then do my children deserve to eat? Only then do I deserve to have any dignity? I certainly wouldn't want you to teach my children. I'm sure they will come into contact with plenty of self absorbed uncaring people and they sure do not need to be under a person like that's influence so many hours out of the day. |
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08/24/2008 08:28:47 PM · #269 |
Originally posted by Louis:
It's so interesting to me to watch you both display the love, humility, and compassion of Jesus. |
Isn't it though. Unfortunately I am not as much like Jesus as I would like but I am doing my best. That I can say unequivocally. You see Louis when you are a Christian it doesn't make you perfect it just makes you forgiven. |
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08/24/2008 09:56:10 PM · #270 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I already know that you can be a jerk... you didn't have to prove it to me. Since you don't know me or anything about my life I don't take your cruelty to heart. You don't know what my problems are but even if you did I'm sure you still would begrudge me the ability to feed my children so that you could buy a new car. Human life and in particular other peoples children apparently do not mean that much to the teacher. That's the way people like you think. It's not enough to be self sufficient you need more or you wouldn't gripe about the taxes so much now would you. It's all about you. No compassion or understanding or for that matter even the benefit of the doubt.
Indeed how can giving the money to your children help them to have a better life? I assume they would be self supporting like yourself right? Again no amount of money can help you to have more happiness or love in your life. All your money will do is allow them to buy more things in life. At the end will they look back and think of the things they bought with your money and how much better their lives were? If you didn't leave them a penny would they look back and wonder what might have been if only you had left them some money? vanity of vanities I say. It's all just a chasing after the wind. So you can feel justified and you can feel self righteous because after all you are able to support yourself and as of this moment I am not. When I am able to what will you say then? It will be because of the foodstamps that have allowed me to get back to that point. Only then will I be fully human to you deserving of the very necessities of life? Only then do my children deserve to eat? Only then do I deserve to have any dignity? I certainly wouldn't want you to teach my children. I'm sure they will come into contact with plenty of self absorbed uncaring people and they sure do not need to be under a person like that's influence so many hours out of the day. |
-It isn't my problem how you feed your children. Why? Because they are YOUR children. It is my opinion that people who cannot afford to take care of their children should not have them.
-Again, I don't gripe about 'taxes'. I gripe about the misuse of taxes and wish that they were spent in a way that better helps people instead of the current system of just keeping people at the place they are at.
-"Indeed how can giving the money to your children help them to have a better life?"
It will allow them to:
a: Never have to rely on government aid.
b: Go to college and/or buy a house without any debt.
In my opinion, these are the three things in my life that I have done that could have done better to make my life easier and 'better. Everytime that I had to use foodstamps, I felt like less of a man. Good fortune smild upon me and I was hired straight out of school...so my last month of college was also my last month of food-stamps. It is my sincere hope that my son will never have to undergo the indignity of spending government money to buy groceries.
It is also a great dream of mine that my son attend college withou the massive amount of student loan debt that it took me to graduate with. This will allow him to start off his post collegiate life without the stress that 40k in student loands puts upon you.
-"At the end will they look back and think of the things they bought with your money and how much better their lives were?"
I would certainly hope so. My mother was a waitress from the time she was a teenager and has worked a double shift all her life. She helped me to see my dreams of making the grades to go to college and better myself. I am a step above where my mother was...because of all the hard work and dedication that she put into raising me. I hope that I can help my children be one step abover where I am......so they can do more with their lives than I did with mine. If this isn't your dream as a father...I pity you. What parent doesn't want more for their children? No, money doesn't buy happiness...but it sure can help you achieve some good things along the way.
-"When I am able to what will you say then?"
Congratulations.
It isn't my hope that you fail in life. It is my hope that people can take care of their own families. That is why I said we should change the current system to one that gives a hand up...not a hand out. (as clichd'ed as that is)
-"Only then will I be fully human to you deserving of the very necessities of life? Only then do my children deserve to eat? Only then do I deserve to have any dignity? "
It is apparent that you have more than the necessities in life. You are taking from the food stamp program...while at the same time you have the 'ability' to pay for the interet. If you have the ability to pay for something that isn't truly needed to survive...than ,as a parent, I would hope you already have all of your life's necessities covered...
-"I certainly wouldn't want you to teach my children."
My outlook on the welfare system would never effect my ability to teach the state mandated curricula for my students. As a professional, we do not let our outside bias effect the quality of education that we provide. I will give my best to any student regardless of race, sex, nationality, disability or financial status.
-"I'm sure they will come into contact with plenty of self absorbed uncaring people and they sure do not need to be under a person like that's influence so many hours out of the day."
Again we differ.
I hope and pray that the values and morals that I teach my children will be strong enough to bear any outside influences. I also would like for my son to come into contact with as many differing points of opinon (politics, religion..etc) that he can so that he can make an informed decision on what HE really believes.
If I cannot allow my children out into the world, for fear that they will abandon my teachings, then I have failed as a parent. |
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08/25/2008 12:07:50 AM · #271 |
Originally posted by egamble:
-It isn't my problem how you feed your children. Why? Because they are YOUR children. It is my opinion that people who cannot afford to take care of their children should not have them.
Unbelievable. I should have to give my children away because I have had a financial setback and some really bad problems?
-Again, I don't gripe about 'taxes'. I gripe about the misuse of taxes and wish that they were spent in a way that better helps people instead of the current system of just keeping people at the place they are at.
If the misuse of your tax money was the driving force behind your opinions then as someone else pointed out there are much more egregious misuses of your tax money that you could be outraged about but you choose the less fortunate to be your target. Why?
-"Indeed how can giving the money to your children help them to have a better life?"
It will allow them to:
a: Never have to rely on government aid.
b: Go to college and/or buy a house without any debt.
In my opinion, these are the three things in my life that I have done that could have done better to make my life easier and 'better. Everytime that I had to use foodstamps, I felt like less of a man. Good fortune smild upon me and I was hired straight out of school...so my last month of college was also my last month of food-stamps. It is my sincere hope that my son will never have to undergo the indignity of spending government money to buy groceries.
You had to be on foodstamps? How hypocritical you are then. You may have felt like less of a man but you used them huh? How could you possibly accept food stamps while spending all of that money on school? The last I checked getting a college education was not a necessity. You should have quit school and got a job. How dare you chastise me when you have taken advantage of the very same program.
It is also a great dream of mine that my son attend college withou the massive amount of student loan debt that it took me to graduate with. This will allow him to start off his post collegiate life without the stress that 40k in student loands puts upon you.
-"At the end will they look back and think of the things they bought with your money and how much better their lives were?"
I would certainly hope so. My mother was a waitress from the time she was a teenager and has worked a double shift all her life. She helped me to see my dreams of making the grades to go to college and better myself. I am a step above where my mother was...because of all the hard work and dedication that she put into raising me. I hope that I can help my children be one step abover where I am......so they can do more with their lives than I did with mine. If this isn't your dream as a father...I pity you. What parent doesn't want more for their children? No, money doesn't buy happiness...but it sure can help you achieve some good things along the way.
See now that's the difference between you and me. What I want for my children is for them to grow up and be good God fearing people and not necessarily to make their lives easy or to have more toys than I have. I feel that a certain amount of struggle builds character.
-"When I am able to what will you say then?"
Congratulations.
It isn't my hope that you fail in life. It is my hope that people can take care of their own families. That is why I said we should change the current system to one that gives a hand up...not a hand out. (as clichd'ed as that is)
I would agree that a hand up is a good thing but in the meantime I should lose my children and starve according to you.
-"Only then will I be fully human to you deserving of the very necessities of life? Only then do my children deserve to eat? Only then do I deserve to have any dignity? "
It is apparent that you have more than the necessities in life. You are taking from the food stamp program...while at the same time you have the 'ability' to pay for the interet. If you have the ability to pay for something that isn't truly needed to survive...than ,as a parent, I would hope you already have all of your life's necessities covered...
The internet costs $30 a month which as I have said before I use to make money. It does not cost me anything in fact quite the opposite.
-"I certainly wouldn't want you to teach my children."
My outlook on the welfare system would never effect my ability to teach the state mandated curricula for my students. As a professional, we do not let our outside bias effect the quality of education that we provide. I will give my best to any student regardless of race, sex, nationality, disability or financial status.
You just think that they should be raised by the state or in foster care if the parents had to rely on foodstamps. Placing the children in the care of those who do not love them is not going to be conducive to the learning process.
-"I'm sure they will come into contact with plenty of self absorbed uncaring people and they sure do not need to be under a person like that's influence so many hours out of the day."
Again we differ.
I hope and pray that the values and morals that I teach my children will be strong enough to bear any outside influences. I also would like for my son to come into contact with as many differing points of opinon (politics, religion..etc) that he can so that he can make an informed decision on what HE really believes.
If I cannot allow my children out into the world, for fear that they will abandon my teachings, then I have failed as a parent. |
When children are young they are impressionable and having them under the 'care' of someone who would have their families taken away from them due to a bad financial situation is not who I would want impressing anything on them. |
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08/25/2008 12:36:26 AM · #272 |
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08/25/2008 12:40:09 AM · #273 |
-"If the misuse of your tax money was the driving force behind your opinions then as someone else pointed out there are much more egregious misuses of your tax money that you could be outraged about but you choose the less fortunate to be your target. Why?"
I am outraged by all misuses of tax money. This particular discussion has leaned towards the welfare misuse. If you would like to start a thread about other pork spending..I would be more than happy to rant and rave in that thread as well.
[i]-"You had to be on foodstamps? How hypocritical you are then. i]
This is hardly a secret. I have stated this fact more than once. Also..not hypocritical at all. I have no problem with people who use the system for a SHORT TIME...in order to get themselves to a place where they can contribute back in to the 'pot' and take care of themselves. In fact, if you would stop being so damn emotional..you would see that I have stated over and over..this is how it should be done.
-You may have felt like less of a man but you used them huh?
I did, indeed. It was very shameful to have to pull out an EBT card to 'pay' for groceries. The greatest feeling that I have had so far.....besides buying my first car and home...was paying for that first batch of groceries with my own hard-earned money.
I felt like less than a man when I had to rely on the government. I don't wish those feelings on anyone else.
-How could you possibly accept food stamps while spending all of that money on school? The last I checked getting a college education was not a necessity.
You are trying to compare apples to oranges. My expenses getting an education have paid off...I am self sufficient...I pay in a great deal of taxes...and I am no longer a burden.
You are still a burden....but YOUR expenses (*internet is all that I really can confirm) do not pay off in the same way. You are still a burden to the system..and ,by your own account, will be for sometime.
I am willing to bet....most americans wouldn't mind helping a lower income person make it through college so that they could actually help out socity....but I bet most would scoff at the idea that you need help with your grocery bill when you find the money to pay for the internet.
See..you are still dependent on the state. Unable to care for your own family.
I am paying for a new car, a home, monthly bills and groceries...as well as my student loan repayments. AND...my photography/video gaming hobbies.
[b]-"How dare you chastise me when you have taken advantage of the very same program."[/b]
Again, apples and oranges. I was out of high school...
you were/are a man with a family.
My son only had to live through the indignity of having a father relying on the government for 6 months of his life.....
The difference between us? I used the system how it was intended...you are milking it. If you weren't...you wouldn't spend your money on extra's like the internet.
-"See now that's the difference between you and me. What I want for my children is for them to grow up and be good God fearing people and not necessarily to make their lives easy or to have more toys than I have. I feel that a certain amount of struggle builds character."
And you have the gall to call me a hypocrite?
If struggle builds character...why are you relying on the government to feed your family? Why not be a real man and do it yourself? Surely...the struggle would build a great deal of character for you and your family.
(P.S. I hardly consider a college education and owning a home to be 'toys'.)
-'I would agree that a hand up is a good thing but in the meantime I should lose my children and starve according to you."
Stop being so emotional.
Nobody said you should lose your children or starve. I said the government shouldn't be feeding you. If you are truly in need....my church would help you.
I have said it before ...over a dozen times now. These things should be taken care of by private entities. Charities, churches, non-profit organizations. Why do you have such a problem with that?
-"The internet costs $30 a month which as I have said before I use to make money. It does not cost me anything in fact quite the opposite."
I could say that I fly backwards...because wings sprout from my butt. That doesn't make it true. I really doubt that you 'make money' from using the internet....the taxes from being self employed are much more than a person on welfare can bear. (I know..I have looked into it...and cannot start up my photo biz...until my wife gets employed full time after the next baby is born)
-"When children are young they are impressionable and having them under the 'care' of someone who would have their families taken away from them due to a bad financial situation is not who I would want impressing anything on them. "
Wow...I bet you cry at lifetime movies?
I haven't said that you should have your children taken from you. You are putting words in my mouth, yet again. Stop being so emotional, put away the kleenex and think logically....then answer this question.
Why can't your family be taken care of by a private entity? Why do you insist that the government do this for you? Why do you insist that it is done with tax money and not charity?
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08/25/2008 01:57:14 AM · #274 |
Originally posted by egamble:
[i]-"You had to be on foodstamps? How hypocritical you are then. i]
This is hardly a secret. I have stated this fact more than once. Also..not hypocritical at all. I have no problem with people who use the system for a SHORT TIME...in order to get themselves to a place where they can contribute back in to the 'pot' and take care of themselves. In fact, if you would stop being so damn emotional..you would see that I have stated over and over..this is how it should be done.
-You may have felt like less of a man but you used them huh?
I did, indeed. It was very shameful to have to pull out an EBT card to 'pay' for groceries. The greatest feeling that I have had so far.....besides buying my first car and home...was paying for that first batch of groceries with my own hard-earned money.
I felt like less than a man when I had to rely on the government. I don't wish those feelings on anyone else.
-How could you possibly accept food stamps while spending all of that money on school? The last I checked getting a college education was not a necessity.
You are trying to compare apples to oranges. My expenses getting an education have paid off...I am self sufficient...I pay in a great deal of taxes...and I am no longer a burden.
You are still a burden....but YOUR expenses (*internet is all that I really can confirm) do not pay off in the same way. You are still a burden to the system..and ,by your own account, will be for sometime.
I am willing to bet....most americans wouldn't mind helping a lower income person make it through college so that they could actually help out socity....but I bet most would scoff at the idea that you need help with your grocery bill when you find the money to pay for the internet.
See..you are still dependent on the state. Unable to care for your own family.
I am paying for a new car, a home, monthly bills and groceries...as well as my student loan repayments. AND...my photography/video gaming hobbies.
[b]-"How dare you chastise me when you have taken advantage of the very same program."[/b]
Again, apples and oranges. I was out of high school...
you were/are a man with a family.
My son only had to live through the indignity of having a father relying on the government for 6 months of his life.....
The difference between us? I used the system how it was intended...you are milking it. If you weren't...you wouldn't spend your money on extra's like the internet.
-"See now that's the difference between you and me. What I want for my children is for them to grow up and be good God fearing people and not necessarily to make their lives easy or to have more toys than I have. I feel that a certain amount of struggle builds character."
And you have the gall to call me a hypocrite?
If struggle builds character...why are you relying on the government to feed your family? Why not be a real man and do it yourself? Surely...the struggle would build a great deal of character for you and your family.
(P.S. I hardly consider a college education and owning a home to be 'toys'.)
Why can't your family be taken care of by a private entity? Why do you insist that the government do this for you? Why do you insist that it is done with tax money and not charity? |
So, you lived on the dole while in school? Now here you are crying and moaning about people on those same programs? WTF? You should be ashamed of yourself for not getting a job and working so you could afford college and not doing it on the government dime. Given this and your previous posts, I'd say you're still ashamed of it and you attack people who support those programs to make yourself feel better.
A college education and a home may not be toys, but they're hardly necessary many people successfully go their whole lives without either. You could have been a plumber, a welder, electrician or any of a number of careers that didn't require a degree, yet you chose to mooch off the people. Do you really think your student loans are anything more than a handout? The government loses money on that program. I'll wager you got your share in grants too, another handout from the government. Unless you've paid back your loans, you're still on the dole, still sucking at the government teat, while condemning those who do the same. That's the very definition of hypocrisy.
You're no different than those you condemn...Oh wait, you are, you're a hypocrite too. |
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08/25/2008 09:49:37 AM · #275 |
Originally posted by egamble:
I could say that I fly backwards...because wings sprout from my butt. That doesn't make it true. I really doubt that you 'make money' from using the internet....the taxes from being self employed are much more than a person on welfare can bear. (I know..I have looked into it...and cannot start up my photo biz...until my wife gets employed full time after the next baby is born)
You can choose not to believe me and who said I was self employed. Taxes on someone with low enough income to qualify for foodstamps is -0- though. They actually give me the earned income credit which gives me back money I didn't pay in. I guess I should turn them down or feel shamed at taking it.
I haven't said that you should have your children taken from you. You are putting words in my mouth, yet again. Stop being so emotional, put away the kleenex and think logically....then answer this question.
You put the words on the page for all to read. You stated that I shouldn't have my children. I think you made your feelings quite clear.
Why can't your family be taken care of by a private entity? Why do you insist that the government do this for you? Why do you insist that it is done with tax money and not charity?
why couldn't you when you were on foodstamps?
and also what spazmo99 said.
You can choose not to believe me if you want but I do not relish milking the system. I aspire to not HAVE to use foodstamps. To this end I am making progress but I won't feel ashamed for what I thank God for. Maybe shame is a motivating force for you but it is not for me. My motivating force is my God and my children.
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