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08/21/2008 09:24:19 PM · #226 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
A person being willing to spend billions of the taxpayer's dollars to aid the poor in other countries while their own brother lives in an outhouse was the point, right? |
Why is someone's willingness to help a single stranger even an issue if he's trying to help millions of strangers in the same situation? Obama donated $240,000 to charity last year, and you're complaining that he didn't help one person he doesn't even know just because they're genetically related? Would it be OK if the guy was only his half-brother? What about a second cousin?
Most of McCain's charitable donations have gone to his kids' schools, so I guess taking care of your own is the only thing that matters. :-/ |
He is a half brother, different mothers. |
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08/21/2008 09:30:58 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
He is a half brother, different mothers. |
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Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see the article link before and Phil kept saying "brother" as if he really was. I actually have two half-sisters who might live in a shack in Nairobi for all I know. I think I was about 7 the last time I saw them, and they're so "not family" that I didn't even think of it until now. ;-) |
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08/21/2008 09:31:58 PM · #228 |
You might also be interested to know and should read the entire interview......
from....//www.dadmag.com/archive/060400jmccain.php
""Dadmag: Your youngest daughter Bridget is adopted. Why did you decide to adopt Bridget?
McCain: Well it was primarily my wife's Cindy's idea. She was in Bangladesh and she and some of the medical personnel visited Mother Theresa's orphanage to try and help the children there. There were two little baby girls there. One had a heart problem the other a severe cleft palate. Cindy was very concerned about their ability to survive and their need for medical treatment, so she decided to bring them here for medical treatment. She fell in love with both of them. We decided to adopt Bridget. Two close friends of ours, adopted Mickey, the other child""
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 21:36:56.
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08/21/2008 09:36:18 PM · #229 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Most of McCain's charitable donations have gone to his kids' schools, so I guess taking care of your own is the only thing that matters. :-/ |
What is your source for this statement please. |
Here ya go. |
I think I read better than some....
"Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to the foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children."
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08/21/2008 09:48:09 PM · #230 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Most of McCain's charitable donations have gone to his kids' schools, so I guess taking care of your own is the only thing that matters. :-/ |
What is your source for this statement please. |
Here ya go. |
I think I read better than some....
"Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to the foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children." |
Did you miss this part?
"Collectively, McCain’s kids’ private schools rank as the largest recipient of his foundation’s money." |
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08/21/2008 11:30:26 PM · #231 |
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done?
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08/22/2008 12:20:24 AM · #232 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Yeah, I'm sure that all the other filthy rich kids at those elite prep schools would have gone to bed cold and hungry had McCain not kicked down that half million bucks.
Message edited by author 2008-08-22 00:31:32. |
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08/22/2008 12:29:43 AM · #233 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. That's deflection. |
You have claimed exactly that several times. This guy's only connection to Obama is through genetics, yet you say that is enough to justify supporting him as you would a brother.
What is it that makes you say makes this guy part of Obama's family if it's not solely their shared genetics? You say this guy is Obama's family, yet, now you claim that genetics alone aren't enough to make someone a family member. What else do they have that establishes brotherhood beyond their genetics?
Did they grow up in the same house? Eat at the same table? Go to the same school? Share in good times and bad? Go to ball games together? Play together? Have the same teachers? |
I have not claimed that several times. I have claimed that IN THIS SITUATION HE WAS BORN INTO THE FAMILY. You were the one who brought the imaginary adopted child into the discussion. A lot of people couldn't sleep at night knowing they had a brother (yes, born into the family) they met only twice that was living in a shack in Nairobi - especially if they had the means to remedy that. I guess there are also a lot of people that could. |
Born into what family? The family that ate their meals together? Lived together? Went about their lives together? Shared triumph and tragedy together?
Their ONLY bond is through genetics. That's not what makes a family. |
Precisely!! He let a real life blood brother live 26 years and only saw him twice.
Obviously he wasn't interested in eating meals, living with, going about their lives or sharing triumph and tragedy with his BROTHER. Sounds like a great man to lead our country!
Of course, if he says the word "change" enough times I might just be brainwashed too. |
And how much effort did his brother make to be a part of his life? My guess is zero. I'm sure he has other siblings out there too, seeing as his father was evidently intent on spreading his seed about the planet. So?
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08/22/2008 12:34:36 AM · #234 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. That's deflection. |
You have claimed exactly that several times. This guy's only connection to Obama is through genetics, yet you say that is enough to justify supporting him as you would a brother.
What is it that makes you say makes this guy part of Obama's family if it's not solely their shared genetics? You say this guy is Obama's family, yet, now you claim that genetics alone aren't enough to make someone a family member. What else do they have that establishes brotherhood beyond their genetics?
Did they grow up in the same house? Eat at the same table? Go to the same school? Share in good times and bad? Go to ball games together? Play together? Have the same teachers? |
I have not claimed that several times. I have claimed that IN THIS SITUATION HE WAS BORN INTO THE FAMILY. You were the one who brought the imaginary adopted child into the discussion. A lot of people couldn't sleep at night knowing they had a brother (yes, born into the family) they met only twice that was living in a shack in Nairobi - especially if they had the means to remedy that. I guess there are also a lot of people that could. |
Born into what family? The family that ate their meals together? Lived together? Went about their lives together? Shared triumph and tragedy together?
Their ONLY bond is through genetics. That's not what makes a family. |
Precisely!! He let a real life blood brother live 26 years and only saw him twice.
Obviously he wasn't interested in eating meals, living with, going about their lives or sharing triumph and tragedy with his BROTHER. Sounds like a great man to lead our country!
Of course, if he says the word "change" enough times I might just be brainwashed too. |
Again, so?
How much effort did his brother make to be a part of his life? My guess is zero. I'm sure he has other siblings out there too, seeing as his father was evidently intent on spreading his seed about the planet. So?
As for brainwashing, I'd say you've done a fine job yourself removing reason from your mind, what more needs to be done?
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08/22/2008 01:58:17 AM · #235 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Wow thanks for avoiding what was being talked about and what you were so concerned about being debated. Yeah and sure the school benefits a lot from donations not just McCain's kids. I'm not saying that his donations are a bad thing... but in this debate for whatever reason showing McCain prefers to give money to his kids schools is bad... uh... it's really not but yeah... he did give most of his money to his kids schools.
Personally I hope to never have kids... so hey, if somebody wants to have kids and support them, go for it. ;-) |
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08/22/2008 02:03:08 AM · #236 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Wow thanks for avoiding what was being talked about and what you were so concerned about being debated. Yeah and sure the school benefits a lot from donations not just McCain's kids. I'm not saying that his donations are a bad thing... but in this debate for whatever reason showing McCain prefers to give money to his kids schools is bad... uh... it's really not but yeah... he did give most of his money to his kids schools.
Personally I hope to never have kids... so hey, if somebody wants to have kids and support them, go for it. ;-) |
Clearly he's wasted. |
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08/22/2008 02:08:14 AM · #237 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Yeah, I'm sure that all the other filthy rich kids at those elite prep schools would have gone to bed cold and hungry had McCain not kicked down that half million bucks. |
In all fairness, most elite prep schools have endowments set up to assist students with tuition who otherwise would not be able to afford to attend. |
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08/22/2008 08:21:23 AM · #238 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Most of McCain's charitable donations have gone to his kids' schools, so I guess taking care of your own is the only thing that matters. :-/ |
What is your source for this statement please. |
Here ya go. |
I think I read better than some.... |
You might indeed think that, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. :O)
Ray |
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08/22/2008 01:51:57 PM · #239 |
What would you have done? Don't you provide the best you can for your own children?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Yeah, I'm sure that all the other filthy rich kids at those elite prep schools would have gone to bed cold and hungry had McCain not kicked down that half million bucks. |
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08/22/2008 01:52:32 PM · #240 |
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08/22/2008 02:17:51 PM · #241 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Ray, kiss my butt. |
Tsk, tsk, tsk... such language...and from a grown man too. Oh my
Ray |
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08/22/2008 02:22:34 PM · #242 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
What would you have done? Don't you provide the best you can for your own children? |
You bet I do... particularly when I can get a nice big tax write off whilst doing it.
Ray |
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08/22/2008 02:25:01 PM · #243 |
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08/22/2008 02:26:52 PM · #244 |
Gosh, I bet that is why they adopted the little girl too.
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by David Ey:
What would you have done? Don't you provide the best you can for your own children? |
You bet I do... particularly when I can get a nice big tax write off whilst doing it.
Ray |
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08/22/2008 03:33:09 PM · #245 |
Well, I wouldn't establish a reputation as a non-elitist, everyman, then set up a foundation where I am the sole donor (save a $100 anonymous donation) to primarily give money to elite prep schools for the wealthy.
Originally posted by David Ey:
What would you have done? Don't you provide the best you can for your own children?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Yeah, I'm sure that all the other filthy rich kids at those elite prep schools would have gone to bed cold and hungry had McCain not kicked down that half million bucks. |
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08/22/2008 03:35:59 PM · #246 |
Would that be the butt you sit on or the one you use to think?
Originally posted by David Ey:
Ray, kiss my butt. |
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08/22/2008 04:05:14 PM · #247 |
Does one third sound like primarily to you?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Well, I wouldn't establish a reputation as a non-elitist, everyman, then set up a foundation where I am the sole donor (save a $100 anonymous donation) to primarily give money to elite prep schools for the wealthy.
Originally posted by David Ey:
What would you have done? Don't you provide the best you can for your own children?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Yeah, I'm sure that all the other filthy rich kids at those elite prep schools would have gone to bed cold and hungry had McCain not kicked down that half million bucks. |
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08/22/2008 04:05:38 PM · #248 |
| I think I have figured it out. It is envy of those who have by those who don't have. Well I can give you guys "the have nots" some practical advice get a education, find a job build your wealth and quit complaining cause someone else succeeded where you have failed. |
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08/22/2008 04:19:42 PM · #249 |
When one third represents the single biggest segment, yes.
Originally posted by David Ey:
Does one third sound like primarily to you?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Well, I wouldn't establish a reputation as a non-elitist, everyman, then set up a foundation where I am the sole donor (save a $100 anonymous donation) to primarily give money to elite prep schools for the wealthy.
Originally posted by David Ey:
What would you have done? Don't you provide the best you can for your own children?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by David Ey:
"Between 2001 and 2006...... the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million....... More than $500,000 went to his kids’ private schools"
500k/1.6mil = roughly 1/3 to his kids private school and his kids were probably the only ones there to benefit weren't they? Let me ask, what would you have done? |
Yeah, I'm sure that all the other filthy rich kids at those elite prep schools would have gone to bed cold and hungry had McCain not kicked down that half million bucks. |
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08/22/2008 05:33:21 PM · #250 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
I think I have figured it out. It is envy of those who have by those who don't have. Well I can give you guys "the have nots" some practical advice get a education, find a job build your wealth and quit complaining cause someone else succeeded where you have failed. |
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BWWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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