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08/21/2008 06:39:10 PM · #1 |
So, having spent some time with my new D300, I feel like there's absolutely no feature missing...I can't imagine the need for any new camera for any reason (other than full-frame functionality, of course, but I have no problem with the free telephoto upgrade the cropped sensor gives me).
So, really, what justifies the major price difference between, say, the d300 and the d3 (or, for full-frame's sake, the d700 and the d3)? What more could a 'professional' possibly need?
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08/21/2008 06:44:28 PM · #2 |
Pro's are people who do something for a living.
Prosumers are people who think they can do that something for a living. |
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08/21/2008 06:45:42 PM · #3 |
| Sturdier construction,more reliable shutter, better finder, more fps. |
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08/21/2008 06:56:52 PM · #4 |
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08/21/2008 07:01:03 PM · #5 |
| Dual CF card slots...thats a BIG one I wish the D300 had. You can backup as you shoot or continue shooting and swap a full card out later |
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08/21/2008 07:25:06 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by DarkRider:
Dual CF card slots...thats a BIG one I wish the D300 had. You can backup as you shoot or continue shooting and swap a full card out later |
yet my "prosumer" Olympus has two card slots... |
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08/21/2008 07:25:44 PM · #7 |
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08/21/2008 07:29:47 PM · #8 |
A lot of people will comment on the fact that the pro ranges are made from metal - however, they often fail to realised that cameras like the 450d are actually a fully metal frame, covered with a plastic/carbonate body.
The main difference is in the after-sales support, the expandability, and simply the huge investment you make in the expectancy that the camera will outlive you! |
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08/21/2008 07:34:17 PM · #9 |
A lot of it is indeed marketing. For example, a pop-up flash is considered to be non-professional, while it doesn't actually impair the use of a professional flash. As the reviews have said, the D700 is considered by some as non-professional because of that, even though it out does any other camera except for the D3 and argueably the 5D-mIII.
It is the same as KenRockwell's opinion that a camera that beeps with default settings to be a non-professional camera.
Professional or not doesn't really mean a thing. The D300, 700, and 3 are professional cameras regardless of what anyone says about them. The things are fscking tanks, they all take GREAT photos provided they are used by a great photographer, and last but not least I own one, and don't go around using crap for very long. :)
Enjoy kids!
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08/21/2008 11:07:26 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by togtog:
A lot of it is indeed marketing. For example, a pop-up flash is considered to be non-professional, while it doesn't actually impair the use of a professional flash. As the reviews have said, the D700 is considered by some as non-professional because of that, even though it out does any other camera except for the D3 and argueably the 5D-mIII.
It is the same as KenRockwell's opinion that a camera that beeps with default settings to be a non-professional camera.
Professional or not doesn't really mean a thing. The D300, 700, and 3 are professional cameras regardless of what anyone says about them. The things are fscking tanks, they all take GREAT photos provided they are used by a great photographer, and last but not least I own one, and don't go around using crap for very long. :)
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Actually the reason the popup flash isnt used on Pro cameras is it actually takes space away from the pentaprism area, making the pro bodies have a much bigger and brighter viewfinder. When I grab a backup camera that isnt a 1 series it reminds me why I love the pro bodies, just for the viewfinder. And yeah the service after the sale is also a great thing.
Matt
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08/21/2008 11:11:46 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Actually the reason the popup flash isnt used on Pro cameras is it actually takes space away from the pentaprism area, making the pro bodies have a much bigger and brighter viewfinder. When I grab a backup camera that isnt a 1 series it reminds me why I love the pro bodies, just for the viewfinder. And yeah the service after the sale is also a great thing.
Matt |
Lies! ALL LIES! Well, could be true, hmm... I find the view finder to be bright enough on my D300, but I might be misunderstanding. However, what do you mean by a bigger viewfinder?
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08/21/2008 11:20:03 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by MattO:
Actually the reason the popup flash isnt used on Pro cameras is it actually takes space away from the pentaprism area, making the pro bodies have a much bigger and brighter viewfinder. When I grab a backup camera that isnt a 1 series it reminds me why I love the pro bodies, just for the viewfinder. And yeah the service after the sale is also a great thing.
Matt |
Lies! ALL LIES! Well, could be true, hmm... I find the view finder to be bright enough on my D300, but I might be misunderstanding. However, what do you mean by a bigger viewfinder? |
D3ΓΆ€ΒΆ Frame coverage 100% Viewfinder magnification approx 0.7x with 50 mm f/1.4 lens
D700 95% coverage, 0.72x magnification viewfinder
D300 100% frame coverage remember they are covering a crop sensor.
1DMKIII Optical (Pentaprism, 100% coverage, 0.76x magnification)
40D ΓΆ€ΒΆ 95% frame coverage Magnification: 0.95x crop sensor
1DsMKIII ΓΆ€ΒΆ 100% frame coverage Magnification: 0.76x
SO you can see if you get 100 percent coverage but are covering a crop sensor the viewfinder will be smaller
then 95% coverage on a larger sensor.
Matt
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 23:22:24.
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08/22/2008 12:06:39 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by MattO:
D3ΓΆ€ΒΆ Frame coverage 100% Viewfinder magnification approx 0.7x with 50 mm f/1.4 lens
D700 95% coverage, 0.72x magnification viewfinder
D300 100% frame coverage remember they are covering a crop sensor.
1DMKIII Optical (Pentaprism, 100% coverage, 0.76x magnification)
40D ΓΆ€ΒΆ 95% frame coverage Magnification: 0.95x crop sensor
1DsMKIII ΓΆ€ΒΆ 100% frame coverage Magnification: 0.76x
SO you can see if you get 100 percent coverage but are covering a crop sensor the viewfinder will be smaller
then 95% coverage on a larger sensor.
Matt |
I understand, thank you for educating me about this topic Matt.
Message edited by author 2008-08-22 00:06:59. |
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08/22/2008 12:25:35 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by MattO:
Actually the reason the popup flash isnt used on Pro cameras is it actually takes space away from the pentaprism area, making the pro bodies have a much bigger and brighter viewfinder. When I grab a backup camera that isnt a 1 series it reminds me why I love the pro bodies, just for the viewfinder. And yeah the service after the sale is also a great thing.
Matt |
Lies! ALL LIES! Well, could be true, hmm... I find the view finder to be bright enough on my D300, but I might be misunderstanding. However, what do you mean by a bigger viewfinder? |
D3ΓΆ€ΒΆ Frame coverage 100% Viewfinder magnification approx 0.7x with 50 mm f/1.4 lens
D700 95% coverage, 0.72x magnification viewfinder
D300 100% frame coverage remember they are covering a crop sensor.
1DMKIII Optical (Pentaprism, 100% coverage, 0.76x magnification)
40D ΓΆ€ΒΆ 95% frame coverage Magnification: 0.95x crop sensor
1DsMKIII ΓΆ€ΒΆ 100% frame coverage Magnification: 0.76x
SO you can see if you get 100 percent coverage but are covering a crop sensor the viewfinder will be smaller
then 95% coverage on a larger sensor.
Matt |
I have to say that is one thing that drove me crazy before I got my 1 series camera. I was still used to my Nikon F3 film camera, which also had a 100% finder. |
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