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08/21/2008 12:53:06 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by milo655321:
Originally posted by Phil:
Spaz, the fact that he barely knows his own brother nor helps him out pretty much makes the point of how the word "Liberal" in America is often associated with a kind of slander and hypocrisy. You really don't see the hypocrisy in taxing us to help out the poor in other countries while his brother lives on a dollar a month? |
Phil, what do you suggest Obama should do that would protect him from criticism from his political rivals on the matter of his brother? |
I'll answer this and point it toward all of the above responses.
You seem to be looking at this from a political nature while I am looking at it from another angle. What he could do NOW is not the point. His brother just today didn't become this way. Of course, if he jerks him up and starts being a part of his life now it will look like it was politically motivated (which it obviously would be as he's had years to do so). My question to you is this: why is this even being questioned? Why does it matter about what he should do now? Why is it not about what he should've done then? Why is it not that if he cares so much about the poor and underprivileged he didn't start with his own blood?
Having a half brother/sister that you wouldn't know if you passed in the street is one thing. Having a brother you know that lives in a 6x9' shed on a dollar a month while you're promising billions of dollars in aid to the poor is another. |
Saying that the aid promised in the event of his election is good enough for the rest of the poor, but not good enough for his brother would be hypocritical.
What besides genetics connects them? That alone is not enough to make a brotherly bond.
Do you feel you have an obligation to help your siblings above and beyond the help you give to others?
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08/21/2008 01:08:15 PM · #177 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Do you feel you have an obligation to help your siblings above and beyond the help you give to others? |
If you mean do I feel the need, if I have the means, to help my wife, child, brother and neighbor before anyone else does then my answer would be yes. |
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08/21/2008 01:13:00 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by Phil:
If you mean do I feel the need, if I have the means, to help my wife, child, brother and neighbor before anyone else does then my answer would be yes. |
You're a very good man, much better than most. Can you identify with Obama's situation then? I don't know how long he's known about this sibling, but assuming you just found out that you had a half-sibling in your ethnically relevant country halfway around the world, living in a foreign culture, would you bring him into your life selflessly, and love and assist him unconditionally, irrespective of his history or what kind of person he is? |
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08/21/2008 01:22:16 PM · #179 |
There have been tons of these "chicken shit" (thanks, Ray ;-) ) stories about Obama. If the Republicans think that this stuff is the best they can do to attack Obama, then his policies must be very sound. And if they have to go dig up a half-brother he barely knows somewhere in Africa, then I have to assume that everyone closer is so clean that they cannot be used for smears.
This all speaks for Obama. |
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08/21/2008 01:30:04 PM · #180 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Do you feel you have an obligation to help your siblings above and beyond the help you give to others? |
If you mean do I feel the need, if I have the means, to help my wife, child, brother and neighbor before anyone else does then my answer would be yes. |
Aside from your wife and children, why?
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08/21/2008 01:49:17 PM · #181 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Phil:
If you mean do I feel the need, if I have the means, to help my wife, child, brother and neighbor before anyone else does then my answer would be yes. |
You're a very good man, much better than most. Can you identify with Obama's situation then? I don't know how long he's known about this sibling, but assuming you just found out that you had a half-sibling in your ethnically relevant country halfway around the world, living in a foreign culture, would you bring him into your life selflessly, and love and assist him unconditionally, irrespective of his history or what kind of person he is? |
Well Louis, that sure is a lot to try to say yes to. What I can definitely tell you is that if I were a millionaire and my brother was living in a shack on a dollar a month he certainly wouldn't be doing it for long. I'd also like to think I would've talked to him more than twice. |
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08/21/2008 01:53:26 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by Sam94720:
There have been tons of these "chicken shit" (thanks, Ray ;-) ) stories about Obama. If the Republicans think that this stuff is the best they can do to attack Obama, then his policies must be very sound. And if they have to go dig up a half-brother he barely knows somewhere in Africa, then I have to assume that everyone closer is so clean that they cannot be used for smears.
This all speaks for Obama. |
When did the UK Telegraph become a Republican? |
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08/21/2008 01:53:48 PM · #183 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Do you feel you have an obligation to help your siblings above and beyond the help you give to others? |
If you mean do I feel the need, if I have the means, to help my wife, child, brother and neighbor before anyone else does then my answer would be yes. |
Aside from your wife and children, why? |
If you don't know then it can't be explained.
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 14:10:16. |
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08/21/2008 02:40:23 PM · #184 |
Originally posted by Phil:
If you don't know then it can't be explained. |
If it can't be explained, then how would anybody know? |
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08/21/2008 02:44:15 PM · #185 |
Originally posted by Phil:
If you don't know then it can't be explained. |
Hmmmm... I seem to recall this sort or argument, but normally only in religious threads. :O)
Ray |
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08/21/2008 02:55:28 PM · #186 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
If you don't know then it can't be explained. |
If it can't be explained, then how would anybody know? |
If you are 30 plus years old and don't know why the heck you would try to take care of your family then how can it be explained by someone as simple as I?
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 14:57:56. |
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08/21/2008 03:02:52 PM · #187 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
If you don't know then it can't be explained. |
If it can't be explained, then how would anybody know? |
If you are 30 plus years old and don't know why the heck you would try to take care of your family then how can it be explained by someone as simple as I? |
The question asked specifically excluded your wife and children... Perhaps now you could explain the reason why.
Ray
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08/21/2008 03:05:15 PM · #188 |
Originally posted by Phil:
If you are 30 plus years old and don't know why the heck you would try to take care of your family then how can it be explained by someone as simple as I? |
If you're 30 plus years old and don't know how a light bulb works, it can still be explained. Knowledge without explanation is only opinion. |
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08/21/2008 03:10:54 PM · #189 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
If you are 30 plus years old and don't know why the heck you would try to take care of your family then how can it be explained by someone as simple as I? |
If you're 30 plus years old and don't know how a light bulb works, it can still be explained. Knowledge without explanation is only opinion. |
Deflecting from the main topic.
Totally ridiculous and also very expected. |
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08/21/2008 03:16:58 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Totally ridiculous and also very expected. |
If you are referring to the OP story than you are correct, let's move on to something with more substance.
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08/21/2008 03:19:23 PM · #191 |
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08/21/2008 03:29:38 PM · #192 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Phil:
If you don't know then it can't be explained. |
If it can't be explained, then how would anybody know? |
If you are 30 plus years old and don't know why the heck you would try to take care of your family then how can it be explained by someone as simple as I? |
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? Simply sharing some amount of genetic makeup? Where would you draw the line? Or would anybody related to you in the most remote way be entitled to your pocketbook? If so, I'm a little down on my luck right now, can you give me a couple thousand to help me out? Didn't think so.
For me, and a lot of others, family goes way beyond simple genetic code. Just ask anyone who has adopted a child if that child is a part of their family.
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08/21/2008 03:37:06 PM · #193 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
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08/21/2008 03:49:58 PM · #194 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
Genetics don't determine family. As Spaz stated, ask anyone who has adopted a child. Family is about relationships with each other, not DNA. |
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08/21/2008 03:56:49 PM · #195 |
| Are you guys not the bunch that said we should take care of our fellow mankind... IE Welfare? Don't get me wrong I don't believe that for a moment and have been bashed for it. But now since the tables are against you suddenly things are different? Sorry to say but is that not being hipocritical? |
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08/21/2008 04:10:56 PM · #196 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
Genetics don't determine family. As Spaz stated, ask anyone who has adopted a child. Family is about relationships with each other, not DNA. |
I truly find that sad on so many levels. I find it sad that you would have a brother struggling to stay alive and you wouldn't consider him family since you only spoke with him twice. I also find it sad that all this deflection from people here is simply because of their political preference. I firmly believe that if Bush was found to be in the same situation that many here would have a totally different mindset. That's the scary part. If Obama is elected are we just going to reverse from the Neo Cons thinking that Bush can do no wrong to the Liberals thinking Barack can do no wrog? |
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08/21/2008 04:12:26 PM · #197 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Are you guys not the bunch that said we should take care of our fellow mankind... IE Welfare? Don't get me wrong I don't believe that for a moment and have been bashed for it. But now since the tables are against you suddenly things are different? Sorry to say but is that not being hipocritical? |
Dude, don't you know that individuals shouldn't take care of each other. That should be left to the taxpayer. Sheesh.
Wait a minute. How much does Obama's brother receive from the taxpayers of Kenya? |
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08/21/2008 04:23:30 PM · #198 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
Genetics don't determine family. As Spaz stated, ask anyone who has adopted a child. Family is about relationships with each other, not DNA. |
I truly find that sad on so many levels. I find it sad that you would have a brother struggling to stay alive and you wouldn't consider him family since you only spoke with him twice. I also find it sad that all this deflection from people here is simply because of their political preference. I firmly believe that if Bush was found to be in the same situation that many here would have a totally different mindset. That's the scary part. If Obama is elected are we just going to reverse from the Neo Cons thinking that Bush can do no wrong to the Liberals thinking Barack can do no wrog? |
He wouldn't be my brother if i had only met him twice. Much like an absentee father that I had only met twice in my life wouldn't be my father. You don't know me or my political preference so to imply I'm letting politics play a role in why I find this story to be utterly ridiculous just shows how bias and extreme you are on your politics. Anyone who dare not agree with you must be a radical from the other political party who will do anything to protect their candidate. What's scary is that you think this is an issue, that's scary. |
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08/21/2008 04:36:53 PM · #199 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
He wouldn't be my brother if i had only met him twice. Much like an absentee father that I had only met twice in my life wouldn't be my father. You don't know me or my political preference so to imply I'm letting politics play a role in why I find this story to be utterly ridiculous just shows how bias and extreme you are on your politics. Anyone who dare not agree with you must be a radical from the other political party who will do anything to protect their candidate. What's scary is that you think this is an issue, that's scary. |
I never said "YOU". What's scary are your reading comprehension skills.
If a man isn't concerned about his brother why would I assume that he would be concerned with you and me? And if you'll practice those comprehension skills I mentioned you'll find that I am hardly biased and extreme with my politics. I take everything into account other than "Bush sucks" before I cast my vote.
Try it sometime. |
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08/21/2008 05:17:35 PM · #200 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
He wouldn't be my brother if i had only met him twice. Much like an absentee father that I had only met twice in my life wouldn't be my father. You don't know me or my political preference so to imply I'm letting politics play a role in why I find this story to be utterly ridiculous just shows how bias and extreme you are on your politics. Anyone who dare not agree with you must be a radical from the other political party who will do anything to protect their candidate. What's scary is that you think this is an issue, that's scary. |
I never said "YOU". What's scary are your reading comprehension skills. |
If you were not referring to me then who? You quoted me in your response and directly responded to my post, why wouldn't I assume that you were referring to me with your statement.
Originally posted by Phil:
If a man isn't concerned about his brother why would I assume that he would be concerned with you and me? And if you'll practice those comprehension skills I mentioned you'll find that I am hardly biased and extreme with my politics. I take everything into account other than "Bush sucks" before I cast my vote. |
Again, he is a brother only by genetics. I think your comprehension skills are broken and you giving me advice on using comprehension is laughable. Another laughable thing is your statement that you are unbiased in your politics, please.... I almost spit up on my keyboard.
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