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08/05/2008 01:19:51 PM · #351

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by dahkota:

I find it fascinating that Christians often act as is their God is the only god and that if you don't believe in their god you believe in no god.

Why would you find that fascinating? Sorry Charlie but it is impossible to be a Christian and believe that there are other Gods.

You just proved my point.

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08/05/2008 01:20:45 PM · #352

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:
Know what I find more fascinating than people who actually believe in God?
The people who have such a vast amount of time to argue something they consider as real as a unicorn.

If your rights, welfare or societal status were based on the assumed Will of a unicorn, wouldn't you participate in the discussion?

Yeah, you're losing a lot by not being a Christian aren't you?

If your laws were enacted on Sharia principles according to the beliefs of the Taliban would you lose a lot by not being a Muslim?

Are Muslims Christians?

Shouldn't you start a thread about this?

Both are faithful to a God.

and not really, the analogy is entirely valid.

No it's not.

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08/05/2008 01:21:10 PM · #353

Originally posted by RayEthier:

What you consider hypocrisies are no less a firm belief by the faithful... which seemingly is what Christians believe...why is one given more credence than the other.

I am truly supposed to explain to you why my faith in God is different than their faith in their God or Gods? Seriously?

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08/05/2008 01:25:24 PM · #354

Originally posted by dahkota:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by dahkota:

I find it fascinating that Christians often act as is their God is the only god and that if you don't believe in their god you believe in no god.

Why would you find that fascinating? Sorry Charlie but it is impossible to be a Christian and believe that there are other Gods.

You just proved my point.

Okay. lol

I don't see what you're point is but I'm glad I could make it for you.

08/05/2008 01:26:07 PM · #355

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:
Know what I find more fascinating than people who actually believe in God?
The people who have such a vast amount of time to argue something they consider as real as a unicorn.

If your rights, welfare or societal status were based on the assumed Will of a unicorn, wouldn't you participate in the discussion?

Yeah, you're losing a lot by not being a Christian aren't you?

If your laws were enacted on Sharia principles according to the beliefs of the Taliban would you lose a lot by not being a Muslim?

Are Muslims Christians?

Shouldn't you start a thread about this?

Both are faithful to a God.

and not really, the analogy is entirely valid.

No it's not.

Why not?

Both are faiths.

Both want laws based on those beliefs.

Both believe the word of their god is contained in a book.

Both want to restrict the behavior of others based on what's written in that little book.

How are they different?

08/05/2008 01:27:08 PM · #356

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

What you consider hypocrisies are no less a firm belief by the faithful... which seemingly is what Christians believe...why is one given more credence than the other.

I am truly supposed to explain to you why my faith in God is different than their faith in their God or Gods? Seriously?

Yes.

08/05/2008 01:30:41 PM · #357

Originally posted by Phil:

I am truly supposed to explain to you why my faith in God is different than their faith in their God or Gods? Seriously?

Of course you are. Rather the point. What makes it better? Why should anyone take you seriously? What gives you the right to ridicule anyone who takes you to task for what you say? What makes your holy book better than their holy book? How did you decide?

Oh, sorry, I forgot, you're not really here.

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08/05/2008 01:34:54 PM · #358

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:
Know what I find more fascinating than people who actually believe in God?
The people who have such a vast amount of time to argue something they consider as real as a unicorn.

If your rights, welfare or societal status were based on the assumed Will of a unicorn, wouldn't you participate in the discussion?

Yeah, you're losing a lot by not being a Christian aren't you?

If your laws were enacted on Sharia principles according to the beliefs of the Taliban would you lose a lot by not being a Muslim?

Are Muslims Christians?

Shouldn't you start a thread about this?

Both are faithful to a God.

and not really, the analogy is entirely valid.

No it's not.

Why not?

Both are faiths.

Both want laws based on those beliefs.

Both believe the word of their god is contained in a book.

Both want to restrict the behavior of others based on what's written in that little book.

How are they different?

Because they are spelled differently?

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08/05/2008 01:35:10 PM · #359

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

What you consider hypocrisies are no less a firm belief by the faithful... which seemingly is what Christians believe...why is one given more credence than the other.

I am truly supposed to explain to you why my faith in God is different than their faith in their God or Gods? Seriously?

Yes.

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08/05/2008 01:36:20 PM · #360

Originally posted by Louis:

Oh, sorry, I forgot, you're not really here.

No, but like every single religious discussion at dpchallenge, Louis certainly is!

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08/05/2008 01:36:51 PM · #361

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:
Know what I find more fascinating than people who actually believe in God?
The people who have such a vast amount of time to argue something they consider as real as a unicorn.

If your rights, welfare or societal status were based on the assumed Will of a unicorn, wouldn't you participate in the discussion?

Yeah, you're losing a lot by not being a Christian aren't you?

If your laws were enacted on Sharia principles according to the beliefs of the Taliban would you lose a lot by not being a Muslim?

Are Muslims Christians?

Shouldn't you start a thread about this?

Both are faithful to a God.

and not really, the analogy is entirely valid.

No it's not.

Why not?

Both are faiths.

Both want laws based on those beliefs.

Both believe the word of their god is contained in a book.

Both want to restrict the behavior of others based on what's written in that little book.

How are they different?

Because they are spelled differently?

That's the best argument you have? Pretty sad.

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08/05/2008 01:39:20 PM · #362

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

What you consider hypocrisies are no less a firm belief by the faithful... which seemingly is what Christians believe...why is one given more credence than the other.

I am truly supposed to explain to you why my faith in God is different than their faith in their God or Gods? Seriously?

Yes.

No

Could you do it anyway, please? I would find that very interesting to hear. Your question seems to indicate that it should be obvious to us, but it's not, at least not to me.

Message edited by author 2008-08-05 13:40:04.

08/05/2008 01:40:33 PM · #363

Originally posted by Phil:

Then don't, but that leaves your faith no better off than those of the Pastafarians, Muslims, Greeks, Aztecs etc. and certainly not anything to regard with seriousness.

08/05/2008 01:44:42 PM · #364

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Louis:

Oh, sorry, I forgot, you're not really here.

No, but like every single religious discussion at dpchallenge, Louis certainly is!

Tryin' to keep it real, Slick.

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08/05/2008 01:50:04 PM · #365

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

What you consider hypocrisies are no less a firm belief by the faithful... which seemingly is what Christians believe...why is one given more credence than the other.

I am truly supposed to explain to you why my faith in God is different than their faith in their God or Gods? Seriously?

Yes.

No

Then don't, but that leaves your faith no better off than those of the Pastafarians, Muslims, Greeks, Aztecs etc. and certainly not anything to regard with seriousness.

Especially with those answers. How much time has been wasted throughout the centuries debating every silly little point of reality versus fantasy, when all we really had to do was say the opposite and be done with it?

mgsmith53

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08/05/2008 02:07:43 PM · #366

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by farfel53:
How does my writing that I do study the OT law, and consider what we're to learn from it, confirm that I "must, in effect, disregard it"?

Consider this: Why is it that you don't cut off your hand when it offends you, as Jesus commanded? Because it's highly impracticle. You are therefore compelled to choose those parts of the bible that you are practically able to abide by. You necessarily disregard the rest. If you now say that this particular verse is more parable than literal, that doesn't diminish the fact that you've selected to interpret it this way in order to live by it practically.

I will concede this point - yes, we do choose which portions we "practically abide by", and which we believe to be parable. But, it's pretty evident, in most cases, from context, which are which. Jesus was clearly demonstrating to his listeners that entry into heaven was imperative, even to the cost of an eye or a hand, i.e. whatever it takes, don't miss out!

Similar to the camel going through the eye of a needle easier than a rich man could get to heaven. The response to which was rightfully, "Who then can be saved?" And His reply, "With God all things are possible."

dahkota

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08/05/2008 02:28:20 PM · #367

back to the original topic...
It was requested that examples be proposed for refutation.

Matthew 16:23"BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Matthew was quoting Isaiah 7:14, where Isaiah prophesized the coming of the messiah.

The problem lies in the translation of the original Isaiah. The Jerusalem Bible has Isaiah as: "Behold, the young woman is with child, and she will bear a son, and shall call his name â��Immanu-elâ��." (there are many more bibles with similar translations of the original Jewish text)

So, was the 'virgin' Mary already pregnant? Was she a virgin or not? This weighs very heavily on much of Christianity and its worship of the Virgin Mary and of the entire begotten son idea.

In fact, Jesus never talks about his 'virgin' birth and neither does Mary. Additionally, if Jesus is not the son of Joseph, through which his lineage is traced back to David (twice, differently), then Jesus is not the Messiah as he is not related to David as called for in the Old Testament prophecy.

I'll work on additional refutations ala Ehrman when given the opportunity...

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08/05/2008 02:37:12 PM · #368

Originally posted by Louis:

There are numerous answers in all 7,347 of these threads. They just happen to not be the answers you guys are looking for or agree with.

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08/05/2008 02:41:40 PM · #369

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by Louis:

Especially with those answers. How much time has been wasted throughout the centuries debating every silly little point of reality versus fantasy, when all we really had to do was say the opposite and be done with it?

There are numerous answers in all 7,347 of these threads. They just happen to not be the answers you guys are looking for or agree with.

Then just give as a short version. We don't have to agree with it, but it will be interesting in any case. What sets your faith apart from that of say a Muslim, of a person living in ancient Greece or of a Pastafarian?

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08/05/2008 02:48:30 PM · #370

Short version:

I dunno. I'm not a Muslim. My faith has not one thing to do with the Christian Bible or what it says.

How's that?

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08/05/2008 02:57:08 PM · #371

Originally posted by Phil:

My faith has not one thing to do with the Christian Bible or what it says.

Then how do you know you're a Christian rather than a Muslim?

Message edited by author 2008-08-05 14:59:10.

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08/05/2008 03:01:05 PM · #372

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

How are they different?

One of them is still published in the original version/language in which it was written?

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08/05/2008 03:09:24 PM · #373

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Phil:
My faith has not one thing to do with the Christian Bible or what it says.

Then how do you know you're a Christian rather than a Muslim?

One of two things would happen if I told you (or both).

1. You wouldn't believe me.
2. The condescension police would pile on and arrest me.

Either way, it doesn't matter. If I'm right, yay. If I'm wrong, no biggie.

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08/05/2008 03:14:36 PM · #374

Originally posted by Phil:

Either way, it doesn't matter. If I'm right, yay. If I'm wrong, no biggie.

That's a potentially HUGE biggie if Muslims are right. Moreover, I submit that it's not possible to be a Christian unless your faith has something to do with the Christian Bible or what it says.