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08/03/2008 11:26:55 PM · #1 |
So, there I was just surfing the net, when I was surprised to see when I Googled "Crazy Horse Photo" I found a site.
Basically, this Italian dude, Pietro Abiuso, loved the old west.
He thinks he found a tintype image from 1877, taken by James Hamilton.
Crazy Horse was seriously anti-camera. His image, besides false ones by con artists, has never been seen before.
But, according to the story, Hamilton promised Crazy Horse that his image would not be seen until his death. This promise started a journey until the 1950's when the image surfaced.
Abiuso, researching the image over the years, claims that this is an accurate image of Crazy Horse. Besides the clothing, and scar on the left side of his face, there is no other proof.
Others claim that the image is of another Chieftain, No Neck.
A Comparison of both chiefs.
What do you think?
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08/03/2008 11:31:46 PM · #2 |
the eye brows/chin area and cheekbones/ facial length/shape are diffent IMO
Message edited by author 2008-08-03 23:32:19. |
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08/03/2008 11:44:27 PM · #3 |
They're different people.
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08/04/2008 12:09:29 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
So, there I was just surfing the net, when I was surprised to see when I Googled "Crazy Horse Photo" I found a site.
Basically, this Italian dude, Pietro Abiuso, loved the old west.
He thinks he found a tintype image from 1877, taken by James Hamilton.
Crazy Horse was seriously anti-camera. His image, besides false ones by con artists, has never been seen before.
But, according to the story, Hamilton promised Crazy Horse that his image would not be seen until his death. This promise started a journey until the 1950's when the image surfaced.
Abiuso, researching the image over the years, claims that this is an accurate image of Crazy Horse. Besides the clothing, and scar on the left side of his face, there is no other proof.
Others claim that the image is of another Chieftain, No Neck.
A Comparison of both chiefs.
What do you think? |
My question is: If there are supposedly no photos of Crazy Horse just what are we comparing? One fake to another? Or are we comparing "No Neck" to "Fake or Real Crazy Horse"? If the latter, the fact that they are not the same person (if they are not) proves nothing other than it's not No Neck. I don't get something here.
Message edited by author 2008-08-04 00:10:22. |
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08/04/2008 01:23:04 AM · #5 |
Of course it is well known that Crazy Horse was camera shy. Reputable sources such as Black Elk deny any knowledge of any photographs to exist or were made. Authenticated photographs of Crazy Horse have been non existent, but in fact there are numerous, eyewitness, rather detailed drawn images of him in various winter counts.
It would be truly amazing if this alleged portrait is actually him, and more amazing if anyone from his family knew of it and will admit to it, or if anyone can indisputably prove it.
Some further info atwikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Horse
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08/04/2008 07:47:11 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by jemison:
My question is: If there are supposedly no photos of Crazy Horse just what are we comparing? One fake to another? Or are we comparing "No Neck" to "Fake or Real Crazy Horse"? If the latter, the fact that they are not the same person (if they are not) proves nothing other than it's not No Neck. I don't get something here. |
My brief was just that....brief.
To understand the story, I included a link to the site I found, and undieyatch included a wikipedia link.
If you are wanting more info, check out the links.
I would be interested to know what your opinion is.
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08/04/2008 09:23:03 AM · #7 |
| The one on the website is Crazy Horse. It was taken at my bar in San Francisco. |
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08/04/2008 09:27:37 AM · #8 |
"Money motivates many of the claims, said Donovin Sprague, a descendant and university instructor."
This has been going on for years. If I recall correctly Kingsley Bray's book on Crazy Horse that came out two years ago has a good discussion about this. He makes the argument that the sketch that exists (which many feel is the closest depiction to how Crazy Horse may have appeared) doesn't look anything like this photograph.
The sketch is actually a little disappointing as Crazy Horse seems small and a little frail, as well as lighter skinned and lighter hair. But it is only a sketch. |
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08/04/2008 02:00:00 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
The one on the website is Crazy Horse. It was taken at my bar in San Francisco. |
Explain please.
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08/05/2008 12:28:56 AM · #10 |
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08/05/2008 12:45:56 AM · #11 |
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