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07/11/2008 02:47:44 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by citymars:
The Rapture was also the name of a surprisingly freaky movie. |
You sure get an eyeful of X-Files era David Duchovny in that movie!
Just my persective. ;) |
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07/11/2008 05:52:13 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by gwe21:
But see that is a belief that you have. Christians believe that the ONLY way to have salvation (eternal life), get in to heaven, is by accepting that Jesus christ is your savior. Its not about the good works that you do. |
Unless you are a member of a denomination that believes in good works (many denominations before the sixteenth century CE).
Ironically (in this context), the Rapture website reminds me a little of papal indulgences (printed certificates sold by the Catholic church to believers on the promise that they would speed up their deceased relatives transition through purgatory). They were one of the most obvious examples of religious greed that prompted Luther to devise the 95 theses, ultimately resulting in the schism of the catholic church and protestantism (and southern baptism).
Message edited by author 2008-07-11 17:52:49.
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07/11/2008 05:59:37 PM · #103 |
| Maybe if they offered a money back guarantee if the Rapture didn't occur before your passing? |
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07/11/2008 07:09:48 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by karmat:
What was it PT Barnum is accredited with saying, "There's a sucker born every minute." |
"There's an ass for every seat"
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07/11/2008 09:09:26 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
The first thing I thought of... ;-) |
Hahahaha...I'm out of two cent pieces AND speechless with laughter....;-) |
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07/11/2008 09:29:05 PM · #106 |
| I wonder if there is one for Islam? That has got to be a joke... |
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07/11/2008 10:19:09 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
...Ironically (in this context), the Rapture website reminds me a little of papal indulgences (printed certificates sold by the Catholic church to believers on the promise that they would speed up their deceased relatives transition through purgatory). They were one of the most obvious examples of religious greed that prompted Luther to devise the 95 theses, ultimately resulting in the schism of the catholic church and protestantism (and southern baptism). |
this is exactly what i thought of as well.
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07/24/2008 10:37:06 AM · #108 |
All these stories make me want to put on my black nikes and call for the mothership. Now where did I put Travolta's number?????????
I do not profess to be a biblical scholar; but I do know, from looking into this, that the whole concept of "rapture" never appears anywhere in the bible, or in revelations. It was cooked up by a religious leader who felt that God would not let the just people be on Earth for the end of days when all the proverbial shit would go down. So he invented "the Rapture." Preposterously devisive construct, IMO.
Here's a good one to chew on; Revelations and the apocalypse already happened. What the bible speaks of as the end of days is really the Fall of the Roman empire. Its alot less romantic than every generation claiming a new antichrist and the signs of the apocalypse- but it fits; the whole whore of babylon, four horsemen(hordes of barbarians) and all the details fit.
Makes you feel like you missed something, doesn't it? Well you can tell the Weekly World news to shut down the presses on the gloom and doom stories- it already occured.
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07/24/2008 12:49:40 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I do not profess to be a biblical scholar; but I do know, from looking into this, that the whole concept of "rapture" never appears anywhere in the bible... |
From the New American Heritage Dictionary:
"3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven."
From 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 ( a text that is included in the Christian Bible ):
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
Sounds like the desctiption in 1 Thessalonians meets the definition of "rapture" given in the American Heritage Dictionary. |
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07/24/2008 11:39:13 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I do not profess to be a biblical scholar; but I do know, from looking into this, that the whole concept of "rapture" never appears anywhere in the bible... |
From the New American Heritage Dictionary:
"3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven."
From 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 ( a text that is included in the Christian Bible ):
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
Sounds like the desctiption in 1 Thessalonians meets the definition of "rapture" given in the American Heritage Dictionary. |
But what is the timing. Its all in the timing. The timing is what makes it a human construct. |
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08/08/2008 11:56:17 AM · #111 |
You all seem to be appalled and/or amused by this website offering to send rature letters.
However, if you really believe in the rapture and wish to use modern technology to leave messages for your loved ones who might not make it, this site makes complete sense (assuming the Internet would still work after the rapture and people left behind would still be able to access it).
Originally posted by Kelli:
Here's a quick and dirty story pertaining to this. When I was in high school, the mother of one of my friends had a terminal illness. The father was an OTR truck driver (in other words, never home). He and his two sisters were responsible for taking care of her. Making meals, doing laundry, etc. And at least one of them had to stay home with her each night when their father was away. On occasion I would stay with my friend and his mother on his nights. She was a very religious woman and constantly watched TV evangelist. When she died, it was discovered that she had racked up all their credit cards to the max, and some beyond the max sending them money trying to be cured. It wiped out all of their savings and they lost their house to pay off these debts. |
What a sad story. However, again: If she believed that sending money to the televangelist was the most promising thing to do to be cured, she made a completey rational choice.
If you accept the beliefs, the actions taken are absolutely rational and make complete sense.
I read this story once (don't remember the details, must have been from the time of the middle ages) that some guy was attacked by a cat. He struck it with a bat or something and injured its leg. A few days later an old woman with an injured leg was discovered. She was accused of being a witch who transformed into the cat (and back) and was burnt at the stake. Here again, identifying the old woman as the cat makes complete sense once you accept that people can transform into cats and back.
This is why I consider irrational beliefs that are not supported by any evidence so dangerous. People take actions based on them. And these actions often affect others, too. |
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