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 07/16/2008 05:42:22 PM · #26
I'd say DQ for 2 reasons the vignette. Fill layer used and border looks like a vignette.

Edit: The more I play with that border creation technique, the more I think by itself it would be legal. Aren't I really doing the same kind of thing when I make a border using canvas size?

I think the thing that really makes it look like a vignette in David's shot is that the border seamlessly transitions into the darkness of the top corners. Pretty much the whole top half of the image it looks like a vignette and not a border to me.

Message edited by author 2008-07-16 17:53:50.
 07/16/2008 06:00:50 PM · #27
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
I'd say DQ for 2 reasons the vignette. Fill layer used and border looks like a vignette.

Edit: The more I play with that border creation technique, the more I think by itself it would be legal. Aren't I really doing the same kind of thing when I make a border using canvas size?

I think the thing that really makes it look like a vignette in David's shot is that the border seamlessly transitions into the darkness of the top corners. Pretty much the whole top half of the image it looks like a vignette and not a border to me.


I would kind of agree with you on the border creation technique, except that it uses a fill layer, which is why I asked.

Also, I think maybe the vignette might have come from the un-named photo filter - I don't know which photo filter was used so I can't say. But I thought all filters were illegal except gaussian blur and unsharpmask.

Not picking on the photo or the photographer, I would just like clarification on the rules...
 07/16/2008 06:13:19 PM · #28
I hear ya. Does the fact that it's an obvious border override the "only adjustment layers" clause? Only SC can tell us now...

I believe the photo filter that David refers to is the actual "Photo Filter" adjustment layer which is legal in basic.

Also, if David happens to see this post, I (and others I would imagine) would love to see the original so we can all learn a bit better where the vignette look came from.
 07/16/2008 06:56:55 PM · #29
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
As with everything on DPC, it isn't as clear as it seems in this thread. I feel that this shot had been validated (although David could confirm that) previous...



Is the only difference the white vs. black?


This image was validated during voting.
 07/16/2008 07:01:04 PM · #30
I'm trying to post the original, the no border and with border version, as well as the difference between the border I had and vignette over white backgrounds. But somehow I can't post them....
 07/16/2008 07:19:32 PM · #31
Originally posted by david_1190:
I'm trying to post the original, the no border and with border version, as well as the difference between the border I had and vignette over white backgrounds. But somehow I can't post them....


You need to be a member to have a portfolio...
 07/16/2008 07:53:35 PM · #32
Originally posted by david_1190:
I'm trying to post the original, the no border and with border version, as well as the difference between the border I had and vignette over white backgrounds.


Why? It's obviously not a vignette. Vignette's don't have squared corners. No need to prove anything in my mind.
 07/16/2008 07:56:38 PM · #33
I uploaded them on Flickr but somehow this site won't let me post them, it says something about the server not being found...

Original


No Border


Border


Here's the border I used (same exact steps but over a white background.


And heres an example of a vignette over a white background.



Let me know if I'm missing something, but I think the difference is VERY clear.
 07/16/2008 08:32:01 PM · #34
Perhaps a lot of the confusion could be minimized if the SC did away with the one size fits all canned responses for DQs. I understand the importance of trying to be consistent with the wording but in this case the wording is what is confusing, at least to me. If he broke the rule about using a non-distinct border then just say that. Don't say he created a vignette, even if he technically did. All that does is get both sides arguing over what a vignette is when the true issue is he didn't create a distinct border hence why he got DQed. Now if people want to argue that David's photo has a distinct border, good luck. That's a losing argument.

Oh and that photo with the white non-distinct border, that should have gotten DQed as well. I don't see the logic in allowing that one just because of the idea that true vignettes aren't white. So? He created a feature nontheless. No different than just taking the dodge tool and dodging the edges which is done all the time to give a photo an ethereal feel. What if he feathered the selection even more making the fuzzy edge less fuzzy and more of a smooth transition? Would that be ok to because it's white? Makes no sense to allow that in basic.

Message edited by author 2008-07-16 20:37:06.
 07/16/2008 08:33:47 PM · #35
FWIW, I thought it was a border as well. I was in a small minority.
 07/16/2008 08:40:19 PM · #36
Originally posted by kirbic:
FWIW, I thought it was a border as well. I was in a small minority.


I would call it a border too but if you allow for that sort of blending and fading then where do you draw the line? Wouldn't it be more clear to people if you drew the line at it having to be sharp, that is no overlap and be a distinct area from the image itself?
07/16/2008 08:40:54 PM · #37
Originally posted by david_1190:


Here's the border I used (same exact steps but over a white background.


Let me know if I'm missing something, but I think the difference is VERY clear.


Putting the vignette issue aside, your border is still not on the exterior edge of the image, therefore it didn't respect the rules. That would be another way to look at it, wouldn't it?
 07/16/2008 08:56:59 PM · #38
Originally posted by Jac:
Putting the vignette issue aside, your border is still not on the exterior edge of the image, therefore it didn't respect the rules. That would be another way to look at it, wouldn't it?

Well kiss my grits.
Nearly all my challenge entries as well and MANY MANY shots on this site need to be disqualified as well, as most of my borders are done by way of Ctrl+A (select all), Edit, Stroke. That puts the border on the inside, over existing pixels, and crop/resize with that in mind as I make my final editing adjustments to accommodate for that.
 07/16/2008 08:58:18 PM · #39
Originally posted by dahkota:
I would just like clarification on the rules...

Layers & selections are OK for the purpose of creating a border. The editing rules mostly govern the image itself, and we generally only DQ borders if they include clip art, photos or text OR if they look like an extension or feature of the captured image rather than a distinct frame (as in this case). I suspect an upcoming change will render the vignette discussion moot.

Message edited by author 2008-07-16 21:00:21.
 07/16/2008 09:15:08 PM · #40
Originally posted by david_1190:
I'm trying to post the original, the no border and with border version, as well as the difference between the border I had and vignette over white backgrounds. But somehow I can't post them....


Go over to flickr.com and create a free account. Post your image there and then link us to it here.
Quick, easy, and cheap. Of course a 25 bux fee will get you a one year membership here with a porfolio and the ability to enter all available challenges. The more you enter the less problems you have like your DQ. But don't let it bum you, even the superstars here DQ from time to time. Right Doc?

EDit: argh just a few minutes too slow. :)

Message edited by author 2008-07-16 21:16:21.
 07/16/2008 09:33:29 PM · #41
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by Jac:
Putting the vignette issue aside, your border is still not on the exterior edge of the image, therefore it didn't respect the rules. That would be another way to look at it, wouldn't it?

Well kiss my grits.
Nearly all my challenge entries as well and MANY MANY shots on this site need to be disqualified as well, as most of my borders are done by way of Ctrl+A (select all), Edit, Stroke. That puts the border on the inside, over existing pixels, and crop/resize with that in mind as I make my final editing adjustments to accommodate for that.

Maybe it would be more accurate to suggest that if the border interacts with the photograph, it would be illegal in Basic. It seems to me at least that in comparing this with this, the blending mode of the border is not "Normal" -- which I think would make it illegal regardless of whether it could be interpreted as a border or not.

Message edited by author 2008-07-16 21:33:49.
 07/16/2008 09:41:24 PM · #42
The mode on the border is set to normal.



Thanks to all of you giving me encouragement to keep going. Let's see what I can come up for the new challenges.
 07/16/2008 09:46:40 PM · #43
Originally posted by scalvert:
I suspect an upcoming change will render the vignette discussion moot.


That caught my interest.
 07/16/2008 10:04:10 PM · #44
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Originally posted by scalvert:
I suspect an upcoming change will render the vignette discussion moot.


That caught my interest.


Could it be that we eliminate borders completely and just concentrate on the photo? Novel thought...
 07/16/2008 10:29:13 PM · #45
Originally posted by Nobody:
ould it be that we eliminate borders completely and just concentrate on the photo? Novel thought...

Apparently borders WERE illegal at one point (before my time), but it wasn't very popular.
 07/16/2008 11:10:29 PM · #46
I've typed and removed my response several times today. But as usual when a DQ comes into question like this usually it comes up to a judgement call of the active SC members who are voting. I think based on the other example that this should be allowed. But hey I'm not an SC and I didnt vote for the current ones so you cant blame me.

The problem is even with all the fuss about who is right, what is right, and what needs to be changed. Nothing does and this discussion will come up time and time again.

Matt
 07/17/2008 12:04:20 AM · #47
Originally posted by MattO:
The problem is even with all the fuss about who is right, what is right, and what needs to be changed. Nothing does and this discussion will come up time and time again.

Wanna bet? ;-)
 07/17/2008 01:08:31 AM · #48
Well I guess this is going nowhere...
 07/17/2008 01:09:11 AM · #49
Originally posted by david_1190:


How many pixel-bearing layers can be used in Basic editing?
 07/17/2008 01:25:53 AM · #50
Originally posted by geoffb:
How many pixel-bearing layers can be used in Basic editing?

One.
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