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07/14/2008 06:41:29 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by banmorn:
It is the PHOTOGRAPH not the crop. Crop does not appear in the description. Now go and fix your scores. THX! |
No shit!
I guess there are those that would dump the pepper shaker out and go through it one by one to make sure there isn't any fly poop in the pepper.
We could have the same argument that the images being voted on aren't really photographs at all, as they are an arrangement of different colored pixels.
As defined by encarta:
* A photograph, usually on paper, made from a negative
As defined by wordnet.princeton.edu:
* A representation of a person or scene in the form of a print or transparent slide; recorded by a camera on light-sensitive material
As defined by pbs.org:
A product produced by printing film negatives on paper through a photochemical process.
(I know - I selected only the definitions suitable to my argument here, but was just a counter-point that everything can be nit-picked to death and takes away from what is supposed to be a fun hobby, wrapped up in a nice package called camaraderie)
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07/14/2008 06:45:34 AM · #52 |
We could also argue that Brad really isn't Brad....I am sure there would be someone out there who would have an argument to say that he wasn't really himself. But the challenge states....Photograph anything except Landscape!!! It doesn't say Photograph anything not in the Landscape crop!
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07/14/2008 07:04:22 AM · #53 |
| I'm just waiting to see who starts the interpretation of Sugar thread! :) Come on, you know it will happen. |
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07/14/2008 07:12:16 AM · #54 |
We folks on this side of the pond, had a President that defended himself by arguing the meaning of the word "IS".
Its possible to argue anything, but that doesn't mean that society benefits from the process. |
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07/14/2008 03:48:54 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
You've GOT to be kidding! C'mon Moose...relax a little. Dang! |
I'm not trying to sway votes, I'm just pointing out a possible interpretation. It's obvious that others consider it this way as well, because they mentioned in in the thread before the voting began and made comments about how they were submitting a horizontal crop and hoping the voters didn't vote them down, then later complain about their low scores. Look you know it was a possibility, avoid it.
As I've said I haven't voted yet, and I don't plan on voting landscape crops as DNMC, just trying to point out that there will be voters who might. Don't be so shocked if they do.
Message edited by author 2008-07-14 15:49:11. |
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07/14/2008 04:13:37 PM · #56 |
| I thinks its b.s. to vote on the crop! I've gone through and looked a couple few times at the all challenge entries and alot, 50% or more have outside backgrounds, so if you wanna get that technical, all of those should be out the window, because of the obvious landscape in it......I'll try not to be that anal when I vote ;)~ ..... I took the challenge as what it says, anything but landscape. |
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07/14/2008 04:29:09 PM · #57 |
Well, I'm one of those who will vote an image down if there's a landscape in it - even if it's just the background. Why? Because it's really not that hard to take a picture that doesn't have a landscape in it - there are thousands of possibilities. So for me it seems people didn't try hard enough or just doesn't care about the theme of the challenge.
As for the landscape crop I'm actually looking forward to going through the entries and see if there was anyone who dared make an abstract 'landscape' in landscape format. I think that would be a humorous turn on the challenge ^^
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07/14/2008 05:30:04 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
Well, I'm one of those who will vote an image down if there's a landscape in it - even if it's just the background. Why? Because it's really not that hard to take a picture that doesn't have a landscape in it - there are thousands of possibilities. So for me it seems people didn't try hard enough or just doesn't care about the theme of the challenge.
As for the landscape crop I'm actually looking forward to going through the entries and see if there was anyone who dared make an abstract 'landscape' in landscape format. I think that would be a humorous turn on the challenge ^^ |
Obviously you're entitled to vote that way but that's not what the challenge description said to do. It said, "Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape". Nobody would categorize a close up of a person's face with a landscape in the background as a landscape photo, rather it would be called a portrait.
Message edited by author 2008-07-14 17:30:47.
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07/14/2008 05:39:18 PM · #59 |
Nice to see the debate continues.... in my part of the world we call them "horizontal or vertical" crops, not landscape or portrait because obviously you can have a vertical landscape photo or a horizontal portrait photo!
The spirit of the challenge was obviously referring to landscape photos, not crops.
Anyone who marks down a photo in this challenge because of the crop is a complete imbecile, and needs to grow up instead of looking for ways to try and make themselves look or feel better by bringing others down.
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07/14/2008 06:00:48 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
Well, I'm one of those who will vote an image down if there's a landscape in it - even if it's just the background. Why? Because it's really not that hard to take a picture that doesn't have a landscape in it - there are thousands of possibilities. So for me it seems people didn't try hard enough or just doesn't care about the theme of the challenge.
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I don't undersstand what point you're trying to make. The challenge theme itself was presented somewhat tongue in cheek to give people a break from landscapes. A close up portrait with a blurry hillside in the background can hardly be "categoirized as a landscape." Voters should read the challenge theme more closely before handing out ones and twos like candy.
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07/14/2008 06:05:54 PM · #61 |
Wow...There are so many different logic circles here it's a miracle anyone is scoring in the 5's and everything hasn't been DNMC'd.
Took a shot and cropped it horizontally...DNMC.
Took a shot with a blade of grass or a spare twig in the background...DNMC.
How about buildings, or walls? Could that not be considered an Urban Landscape???? Didn't think of that one, did ya?
Buildings or walls in the shot = urban landscape...DNMC.
Pretty ridiculous considering the loose wording of the challenge.
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07/14/2008 09:15:37 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
Well, I'm one of those who will vote an image down if there's a landscape in it - even if it's just the background. Why? Because it's really not that hard to take a picture that doesn't have a landscape in it - there are thousands of possibilities. So for me it seems people didn't try hard enough or just doesn't care about the theme of the challenge.
As for the landscape crop I'm actually looking forward to going through the entries and see if there was anyone who dared make an abstract 'landscape' in landscape format. I think that would be a humorous turn on the challenge ^^ |
Obviously you're entitled to vote that way but that's not what the challenge description said to do. It said, "Photograph anything as long as the result can't be categorized as landscape". Nobody would categorize a close up of a person's face with a landscape in the background as a landscape photo, rather it would be called a portrait. |
Originally posted by bvy:
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
Well, I'm one of those who will vote an image down if there's a landscape in it - even if it's just the background. Why? Because it's really not that hard to take a picture that doesn't have a landscape in it - there are thousands of possibilities. So for me it seems people didn't try hard enough or just doesn't care about the theme of the challenge.
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I don't undersstand what point you're trying to make. The challenge theme itself was presented somewhat tongue in cheek to give people a break from landscapes. A close up portrait with a blurry hillside in the background can hardly be "categoirized as a landscape." Voters should read the challenge theme more closely before handing out ones and twos like candy. |
*lol* Who says I will give out ones and twos like candy? Downvoting doesn't mean giving a horrible vote, but to lower it whatever amount of points that seems right.
And to the portrait with a landscape in it: for me it surely depends on how much of the landscape you see - if it's just a tree in the background from at close up portrait then no, I probably wouldn't even notice it. But so far I've seen a couple of entries where there's just way more 'landscape' over the picture rather than 'portrait'. In those cases I'd say they easily can be categorized as landscapes - that there's a person in it doesn't make it any less of a landscape, it can just be categorized as multiple things depending on your focus. |
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07/14/2008 11:50:59 PM · #63 |
Glad I'm not the only one!
Originally posted by basssman7:
Nice to see the debate continues.... in my part of the world we call them "horizontal or vertical" crops, not landscape or portrait because obviously you can have a vertical landscape photo or a horizontal portrait photo!
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07/15/2008 06:13:19 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
*lol* Who says I will give out ones and twos like candy? Downvoting doesn't mean giving a horrible vote, but to lower it whatever amount of points that seems right.
And to the portrait with a landscape in it: for me it surely depends on how much of the landscape you see - if it's just a tree in the background from at close up portrait then no, I probably wouldn't even notice it. But so far I've seen a couple of entries where there's just way more 'landscape' over the picture rather than 'portrait'. In those cases I'd say they easily can be categorized as landscapes - that there's a person in it doesn't make it any less of a landscape, it can just be categorized as multiple things depending on your focus. |
Ok, first of all when you are speaking of a person with a natural background, which you call a landscape photo, where is the focus in this photo? Is the person in focus and the background oof? That is obviously not a landscape, that is a portrait. If the person is oof and the background is in focus, then maybe it is a landscape!
I also want to thank you so very much for using your vast 2 challenges worth of experience, and wordly 22 years of living which has taught you everything there is to know about photography, and how dpc works, and then be kind enough to educate us all on it.
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07/15/2008 06:46:27 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
*lol* Who says I will give out ones and twos like candy? Downvoting doesn't mean giving a horrible vote, but to lower it whatever amount of points that seems right.
And to the portrait with a landscape in it: for me it surely depends on how much of the landscape you see - if it's just a tree in the background from at close up portrait then no, I probably wouldn't even notice it. But so far I've seen a couple of entries where there's just way more 'landscape' over the picture rather than 'portrait'. In those cases I'd say they easily can be categorized as landscapes - that there's a person in it doesn't make it any less of a landscape, it can just be categorized as multiple things depending on your focus. |
Ok, first of all when you are speaking of a person with a natural background, which you call a landscape photo, where is the focus in this photo? Is the person in focus and the background oof? That is obviously not a landscape, that is a portrait. If the person is oof and the background is in focus, then maybe it is a landscape!
I also want to thank you so very much for using your vast 2 challenges worth of experience, and wordly 22 years of living which has taught you everything there is to know about photography, and how dpc works, and then be kind enough to educate us all on it. |
I don't get why you're so upset with my different point of view. Or feel the need to talk down to me about my 'level of experience'. I don't recall saying I knew it all - I have an oppinion and I want to share my point of view like everyone else.
And as for the portrait/landscape thing I can really only repeat what I've already written - you still don't get my point of view, obsviously. Which is fair enough, but why not then just drop it? Your argument above is a direct contradiction to mine, so it shouldn't be that hard to figure that we'll never agree. |
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07/15/2008 06:48:16 AM · #66 |
| Second note: I meant 'focus' as in what you - as a person - focuses on. Not the technical term. Just to clear that up in case anyone misunderstood it. |
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07/15/2008 06:55:11 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
Second note: I meant 'focus' as in what you - as a person - focuses on. Not the technical term. Just to clear that up in case anyone misunderstood it. |
You do not focus on what is in focus?
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07/15/2008 07:10:16 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Wyrdling:
Second note: I meant 'focus' as in what you - as a person - focuses on. Not the technical term. Just to clear that up in case anyone misunderstood it. |
You do not focus on what is in focus? |
Yes, by a general rule you do, but multiple things can be in focus and the background can easily be distracting/interesting enough to take the focus away from the person.
And you have nothing to say about the previous post? |
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07/15/2008 12:35:11 PM · #69 |
Message edited by author 2008-07-15 17:15:28. |
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