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 07/09/2008 01:43:15 PM · #26
Originally posted by TacTZilla:
there are many people voting who know very little about what is and what goes into making a great photo.

That tends to mean that the most generic, mainstream and cliched images do well and anything that's pushing boundaries or different bombs, which is a shame.

I often see wonderful images really down the ranks.

Don't get me wrong, I think many of the 'winning' images are very good and I certainly don't think I'm an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd be interested in any of your opinions.

B


I could not agree more. I'm a graduate of a photography college, and I see some images that win ribbons that have SO many basic flaws.
 07/09/2008 01:50:16 PM · #27
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
At least we have slippy!

The title of this thread would have been more properly followed with an original post lamenting the fact that there just aren't enough Slippy's at this website.


I think we have plenty of Slippies. Sometimes I feel we have too many Slippies. Getting just the right amount of Slippies is so hard to do.
 07/09/2008 02:23:11 PM · #28
Nah, what this site needs is more shoehorns. And tooth fairies.
 07/09/2008 03:03:08 PM · #29
Personally I think the PPing is getting way out of hand, yes I agree that it is part of photograpy now-days but some of the images I see have been processed more then a gallon of milk with total disreguard for the original image. It has been noted several times in threades that the " original unaltered images" el-suck'od.Secondly this converstion is going to go on forever when you have only one option in voting, I think there is a serious need to add more sturcture to the voting. Add a technical score maybe or someting along those lines so people have 2 or 3 areas to vote on and a person can see where there weak points are & why it scored the way it did. Third, how the hell do you vote on something that you have no idea what or how was done to an image, let the photograghers comments on what was done be seen by the people voting so they know what the hell their voting on not just the fact that it is eye catching & pretty.
 07/09/2008 03:21:29 PM · #30
I don't think its a flaw with this site. DPC is an open community of photographers, wether its amature or professional, we are all here to learn and teach and take good photos, and improve in our 'low areas' i KNOW how hard it is to take a good photo, or set up a difficult shot and take many many tries to get the results you are looking for

HOWEVER, that doesnt mean that I am going to give every image a 10 for 'effort' I will score it based on the challenge, composition and yes biased or not i will score it on wether i like it or not, because I think subconciously we all do that regardless

*edit* im not sure i said what I wanted to say...
oh poop im all confused now

Message edited by author 2008-07-09 15:24:00.
 07/09/2008 03:27:17 PM · #31
The major flaw of this website is that ........... PicLens add-on for Firefox does not work with the site.

I recently discovered (as did a few others) that PicLens causes DPC to freeze. I truly love PicLens and use it all the time. I have to turn it on and off, restart my browser, etc.. after I am finished using the website and want to go somewhere else on the web. Thats very annoying.
 07/09/2008 03:38:33 PM · #32
I think it all just boils down to what someone likes. For example lets take the highest scoring image on this site...



I really don't care for this picture... I like scalvert's work don't get me wrong but I look at this picture and I think "With all of the amazing pictures on the site how is this one the highest scoring image?" I realize this was back in the day when scores were higher but still....

I myself love kiwiness' work Gary has been an inspiration to me since I got here. I consistantly vote his images highest in a challenge because they appeal to me. It makes me laugh when after voting ends I find out that the photo was in fact Gary's. I was really excited when he PMed me one day about a forum conversation we were in.

I have yet to ribbon and may never, but I'm always going to have fun and enter challenges because they strech me to shoot things other than my normal subjects. Also when I recieve a nice comment it really pushes me to try and get that elusive ribbon.
 07/09/2008 03:41:45 PM · #33
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
I think it all just boils down to what someone likes. For example lets take the highest scoring image on this site...



I really don't care for this picture... I like scalvert's work don't get me wrong but I look at this picture and I think "With all of the amazing pictures on the site how is this one the highest scoring image?" I realize this was back in the day when scores were higher but still....



that's langdon's picture
 07/09/2008 03:43:40 PM · #34
opps hehehe I'm sorry! That explains it then!
 07/09/2008 03:52:13 PM · #35
Originally posted by CassieDoodle:
Originally posted by TacTZilla:
there are many people voting who know very little about what is and what goes into making a great photo.

That tends to mean that the most generic, mainstream and cliched images do well and anything that's pushing boundaries or different bombs, which is a shame.

I often see wonderful images really down the ranks.

Don't get me wrong, I think many of the 'winning' images are very good and I certainly don't think I'm an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd be interested in any of your opinions.

B


I could not agree more. I'm a graduate of a photography college, and I see some images that win ribbons that have SO many basic flaws.


This brings up the question of what makes a good photo? Does having a technically perfect photo make it good, or is a good photo something someone can look at and say 'I like that!'

07/09/2008 03:59:53 PM · #36
Originally posted by Patrick_R:
I think it all just boils down to what someone likes. For example lets take the highest scoring image on this site...

A nice image, but from 2002 and up against only 19 other entries. Ah, the world must have been a friendlier place back then... back before voters expected to see God before they would hand out a 10.
07/09/2008 05:14:27 PM · #37
I would say that the DPC could has pretty "commercial" taste.
But when you add in the challenge topic, you're dealing with what people's desires and expectations being reflected in their scores. So if a photo is great conceptually but 10% think it doesn't meet the challenge (in the 3 seconds they look at it) than it might not get it's due.

All in all, a great place to compete and learn (IMHO).
 07/09/2008 05:32:38 PM · #38
Originally posted by karmat:

that's langdon's picture


lol.. and a wonderful image it is! hehe

The reason its rated so high is because there were only 20 entries and around 100 votes, a third of those were 10's.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the voting.. I think its fair, and I think its accurate, based on the number of people voting and entering.. like Langdon's image proves. People just need to accept that their image is a 5 or 6.xx and just deal.
 07/09/2008 05:35:57 PM · #39
Not the only flaw, but certainly the biggest are the problems caused by one person who shall remain unnamed.
 07/09/2008 05:42:45 PM · #40
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not the only flaw, but certainly the biggest are the problems caused by one person who shall remain unnamed.


HEY! That's me! But Slippy said I was the coolest person on DPC. ;-)
 07/09/2008 05:54:00 PM · #41
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not the only flaw, but certainly the biggest are the problems caused by one person who shall remain unnamed.


I knew I was at the bottom of the heap after LeRoy left. I really miss him.
 07/09/2008 05:56:42 PM · #42
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not the only flaw, but certainly the biggest are the problems caused by one person who shall remain unnamed.


I knew I was at the bottom of the heap after LeRoy left. I really miss him.


Here ya go



Whenever I start to miss Leroy I look at this shot.

07/09/2008 05:57:25 PM · #43
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not the only flaw, but certainly the biggest are the problems caused by one person who shall remain unnamed.


I knew I was at the bottom of the heap after LeRoy left. I really miss him.

He is still around. Um, you know... in our hearts and minds and stuff. As long as we don't forget him, he will be fotomann forever. :P
 07/09/2008 06:17:51 PM · #44
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not the only flaw, but certainly the biggest are the problems caused by one person who shall remain unnamed.


ROFLMAO!!!!

Too funny!
 07/09/2008 06:33:53 PM · #45
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not the only flaw, but certainly the biggest are the problems caused by one person who shall remain unnamed.


I knew I was at the bottom of the heap after LeRoy left. I really miss him.

He is still around. Um, you know... in our hearts and minds and stuff. As long as we don't forget him, he will be fotomann forever. :P


Pah, who are you trying to kid... he is still on the site, just under a different username.
 07/09/2008 06:38:17 PM · #46
We have yet to find the real source of the major flaw but here's an artist rendering.......



07/09/2008 07:11:44 PM · #47
I've been a member of this site for darn near six years now. (I even remember when it was free.)

This topic comes up over and over again.

What we really have is a giant People's Choice Award competition. Anybody who wanders through and bothers to register, can vote. If their ADD is not so severe that they cannont vote on the requisite number of pictures, the their vote counts. (There are a couple of other qualifiers, you can't give all ones etc.)

If you want your pictures ranked by a panel of experts, then you need to submit someplace else. Disneyworld is not the Louvre.

Your choices are:

1. Shoot to please yourself.

2. Shoot to please the masses.

Unfortunately I seem unqualified to do either.

Enjoy this for what it is...
07/10/2008 11:13:01 AM · #48
Originally posted by ambaker:
... If their ADD is not so severe that they cannot vote on the requisite number of pictures, then their vote counts.

LOL. Too funny.
I also liked your line "Disneyworld is not the Louvre." :-)
07/11/2008 02:52:04 AM · #49
It's pop photography. Like I've said before, if you want to make art, shoot in black and white and submit stuff to BW Magazine.

But I've seen some fine art photography that was just dreadful. Stuff in the Metropolitan Museum of Art that was hardly worth looking at. I do think overall the masses will choose the better pictures. Granted, they will be the pictures that are easily understood and accepted, but I would rather make something a lot of people enjoy than gush over my "artistic" attempt at photography.

Some people here will tell you it's better to shoot for yourself than give in to the tastes of the masses, but I've found the masses in general have pretty good tasteĂ¢€“and I trust a lot of their opinions. Losing is a form of helping you hone your skills. Don't always deny a low score.
 09/05/2008 06:35:37 PM · #50
Coming from someone who is still fairly new to photography, I can't even begin to tell you what a valuable resource this website has been to me. Yes, there are a lot of cliche images that win over and over and it bugs me from time to time too. But what I've learned is that you have to shoot for your client. My scores improved greatly once I understood what the average DPC'er is looking for. So when I'm shooting for a challenge, I shoot for the client and I save my more out of the box shots for other venues. There's no point complaining about it, this site just is what it is.

But in the meantime, I have improved by leaps and bounds thanks to the advice I've gotten, the friends I've made and the amazing quality of work that I've seen here. There's so much more to this site than just the challenges. I'm amazed at how willing people are to give advice and cheer each other on. Scarbrd coached me to my first ribbon and Dwterry let me sit in on a wedding shoot and even let me join in for a bit and shoot some candids with his nice camera. There are fantastic people here.

So if all you're here for is to enter challenges and you don't like the type of photography featured here, I can see why you might not like it here. But if you take this site for the fantastic learning resource that it is, you can really get a lot out of it.
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