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 07/09/2008 01:08:57 PM · #26
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by gwe21:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
I need to have a talk with the printer here in my local Wal-Mart. I photographed a reception not too long ago which was 2 week after the wedding. The mother of the bride presented her photo album to her, which was all the purchased. Then, she proceeded to give out dozens of 8 X 10s to some of the family and party.

Later she went on and on about how wonderful the pictures she copied at Wal Mart turned out!

She was so open about it (and about how cheap it was).


I dont think places like Walmart/Target/Walgreens... etc.... care too much about the copyright law. I see people ALL the time scannning and printing photos at these places and no one ever even questions it.

I know that I sold a photo CD a few months ago and the lady had no problem getting the photos printed at Walmart without a copyright release (she did have one, but never was asked for it.)


NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/


Me too!
 07/09/2008 01:13:39 PM · #27
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by gwe21:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
I need to have a talk with the printer here in my local Wal-Mart. I photographed a reception not too long ago which was 2 week after the wedding. The mother of the bride presented her photo album to her, which was all the purchased. Then, she proceeded to give out dozens of 8 X 10s to some of the family and party.

Later she went on and on about how wonderful the pictures she copied at Wal Mart turned out!

She was so open about it (and about how cheap it was).


I dont think places like Walmart/Target/Walgreens... etc.... care too much about the copyright law. I see people ALL the time scannning and printing photos at these places and no one ever even questions it.

I know that I sold a photo CD a few months ago and the lady had no problem getting the photos printed at Walmart without a copyright release (she did have one, but never was asked for it.)


NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/


well quit making your snapshots so good!! ;)
 07/09/2008 01:56:55 PM · #28
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by gwe21:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
I need to have a talk with the printer here in my local Wal-Mart. I photographed a reception not too long ago which was 2 week after the wedding. The mother of the bride presented her photo album to her, which was all the purchased. Then, she proceeded to give out dozens of 8 X 10s to some of the family and party.

Later she went on and on about how wonderful the pictures she copied at Wal Mart turned out!

She was so open about it (and about how cheap it was).


I dont think places like Walmart/Target/Walgreens... etc.... care too much about the copyright law. I see people ALL the time scannning and printing photos at these places and no one ever even questions it.

I know that I sold a photo CD a few months ago and the lady had no problem getting the photos printed at Walmart without a copyright release (she did have one, but never was asked for it.)


NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/


Mine too!! It blew me away! I did have a talk with the girls there though, and told them that if they ever saw my logo and it wasn't me, NOT to sell the photos as I RARELY give away a copyright release. I prefer to have mine printed at a professional lab so I KNOW the quality is good, ya know? Wal-Mart's printers are often off and are only calibrated about once every other week. The kiosk guy and I had a looooooong chat one day when he came in to do the ones in the photo lab. He told me his schedule and now I only go the morning after he comes in LOL!!
 07/09/2008 02:07:06 PM · #29
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by gwe21:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
I need to have a talk with the printer here in my local Wal-Mart. I photographed a reception not too long ago which was 2 week after the wedding. The mother of the bride presented her photo album to her, which was all the purchased. Then, she proceeded to give out dozens of 8 X 10s to some of the family and party.

Later she went on and on about how wonderful the pictures she copied at Wal Mart turned out!

She was so open about it (and about how cheap it was).


I dont think places like Walmart/Target/Walgreens... etc.... care too much about the copyright law. I see people ALL the time scannning and printing photos at these places and no one ever even questions it.

I know that I sold a photo CD a few months ago and the lady had no problem getting the photos printed at Walmart without a copyright release (she did have one, but never was asked for it.)


NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/




Mine too!! It blew me away! I did have a talk with the girls there though, and told them that if they ever saw my logo and it wasn't me, NOT to sell the photos as I RARELY give away a copyright release. I prefer to have mine printed at a professional lab so I KNOW the quality is good, ya know? Wal-Mart's printers are often off and are only calibrated about once every other week. The kiosk guy and I had a looooooong chat one day when he came in to do the ones in the photo lab. He told me his schedule and now I only go the morning after he comes in LOL!!


Jojo, my walmart here turns all my bw photos purple or green. The Walgreens does okay with 5x7 prints (I use those for NYIP in a hurry) but their 8x10s are pink looking. I havent found a good local printer, except our camera shop and they charge too much.

Message edited by author 2008-07-09 14:07:28.
 07/09/2008 02:14:56 PM · #30
Originally posted by karmat:
NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/

For real? Is that because they are snapshots of children? I mean, is the intention to protect kids, or to protect copywrite?
07/09/2008 02:26:19 PM · #31
Not to excuse the behavior, but isn't the purpose of a watermarked "proof" so the customer can get some idea of what the final product will look like? If I was selling prints from a private site (I'm not), I think I might not mind someone printing a watermarked proof to see what it would look like on paper (might be quite different from their monitor) -- I thought the whole point of the watermark is to reduce the prints' utility to this purpose.

Also, I don't think it's that unusual for graphic designers to download low-res/watermarked stock images to use as "placeholders" as they design a piece, and then substitute the (purchased) high-res image once the final design has been approved.
 07/09/2008 02:34:26 PM · #32
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I'm continually amazed at how people do not think twice about stealing images.

I see it all the time.



I'm not pointing the finger at you or Judi, but in other threads right here on DPChallenge, people are arguing that it is OK to copy software because it isn't "taking anything". They go on and on about how the no physical "property" was taken.

I always wonder how they would feel in their images were taken.

Either one is the fruit of sombodie's creativity and hard work.

I've wondered for a while why the site is not coded to prevent right-click and save of the images hosted here. 640x isn't that high a resolution, but some people will settle for amazingly poor copies before they fork over a dollar.
 07/09/2008 02:55:33 PM · #33
Thanks for the laugh, Judi.

@ambaker - the right-click issue has been debated to death and for the most part doesn't really work. In some cases (certain browsers), the disable doesn't get applied and the image can be save via right click. There's always a way around it, like taking a screen print.
 07/09/2008 03:00:49 PM · #34
Originally posted by karmat:

NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/


ditto. But I consider this a compliment and not a problem.
 07/09/2008 03:06:35 PM · #35
I went to a local lab once with a CD full of my images. I had a photoshoot of my niece when she was four, I had portraits, fun poses you know, something childlike but good for a 4 year old. Anyways I took my CD in to get it printed and they looked at me, and then they looked at the pictures, then at me and then the pictures and they said "Sorry we cannot print these unless we have a release form from the original photographer" I explained that I was the photographer and that the girl in the picture was my niece (who was with me at the time go figure...) they refused and refused, asked me for a business card, I told them I didn't have a business I was just a high school student, then they asked me for some kind of paper with a letter head from the photographer and I told them I was the photographer, in the end I went home got my camera came back showed them the pictures, bit some heads off, they offered to print my picturse at a discount for the hassle which I refused because they were buttheads
 07/09/2008 03:15:54 PM · #36
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Not to excuse the behavior, but isn't the purpose of a watermarked "proof" so the customer can get some idea of what the final product will look like? If I was selling prints from a private site (I'm not), I think I might not mind someone printing a watermarked proof to see what it would look like on paper (might be quite different from their monitor) -- I thought the whole point of the watermark is to reduce the prints' utility to this purpose.

Also, I don't think it's that unusual for graphic designers to download low-res/watermarked stock images to use as "placeholders" as they design a piece, and then substitute the (purchased) high-res image once the final design has been approved.


The print made by the customer at Wal-Mart might also be quite different from the print made at the photographer's lab too. I've had people call me asking why the colors/exposure/etc are all goofy in the prints made from the proof file I gave them.

07/09/2008 03:22:28 PM · #37
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by karmat:
NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/

For real? Is that because they are snapshots of children? I mean, is the intention to protect kids, or to protect copywrite?


For real. No, it was not to protect the kids (they were with me). there was one or two in the batch they thought "looked professional" so they held on to the whole batch.

very long story short (it is in another thread), I took in a piece of my letterhead, giving myself permission to get prints, and they let me. :/

Now, one or two of them know me, but I rarely get prints there anymore, unless it is just 4x6 snaps of the kids, so not as big a deal.

The funniest thing was when one of the gals told me I needed to put an id sticker on my memory card to prove that that "batch" was mine in the future. I asked what good that would do, and she told me that if I had the memory card, I had the originals. That was when i realized a) they didn't have a clue about digi photography b) they didn't realize you could "empty" them and reuse them and c) that there are some people who don't empty them, they print their pictures and think they have to buy a new card.
 07/09/2008 06:08:02 PM · #38
Originally posted by gwe21:

Jojo, my walmart here turns all my bw photos purple or green. The Walgreens does okay with 5x7 prints (I use those for NYIP in a hurry) but their 8x10s are pink looking. I havent found a good local printer, except our camera shop and they charge too much.


And THAT is why I don't like people taking my prints "wherever" to get them done :) hehe
 07/09/2008 06:10:22 PM · #39
Originally posted by karmat:

For real. No, it was not to protect the kids (they were with me). there was one or two in the batch they thought "looked professional" so they held on to the whole batch.

very long story short (it is in another thread), I took in a piece of my letterhead, giving myself permission to get prints, and they let me. :/

Now, one or two of them know me, but I rarely get prints there anymore, unless it is just 4x6 snaps of the kids, so not as big a deal.

The funniest thing was when one of the gals told me I needed to put an id sticker on my memory card to prove that that "batch" was mine in the future. I asked what good that would do, and she told me that if I had the memory card, I had the originals. That was when i realized a) they didn't have a clue about digi photography b) they didn't realize you could "empty" them and reuse them and c) that there are some people who don't empty them, they print their pictures and think they have to buy a new card.


ROFLMAO!!! Wow that's an EXPENSIVE hobby!! :P
 07/09/2008 06:22:00 PM · #40
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by karmat:
NOT the case at my Wal-Mart. I have to show "proof" to get snapshots of my kids printed. :/

For real? Is that because they are snapshots of children? I mean, is the intention to protect kids, or to protect copywrite?


For real. No, it was not to protect the kids (they were with me). there was one or two in the batch they thought "looked professional" so they held on to the whole batch.

very long story short (it is in another thread), I took in a piece of my letterhead, giving myself permission to get prints, and they let me. :/

Now, one or two of them know me, but I rarely get prints there anymore, unless it is just 4x6 snaps of the kids, so not as big a deal.

The funniest thing was when one of the gals told me I needed to put an id sticker on my memory card to prove that that "batch" was mine in the future. I asked what good that would do, and she told me that if I had the memory card, I had the originals. That was when i realized a) they didn't have a clue about digi photography b) they didn't realize you could "empty" them and reuse them and c) that there are some people who don't empty them, they print their pictures and think they have to buy a new card.


My father in law... is gaining quite a collection of memory cards in just this fashion... he just fills it and buys a new one like it's film... I've told him one or twice that he doesn't need to but... ah well... I gues there are worse wastes of money...
 07/09/2008 07:43:25 PM · #41
Hehehehe...it seems my story has proved both to be entertaining and a point of discussion...I am pleased.
 07/09/2008 08:52:35 PM · #42
Originally posted by Judi:
Hehehehe...it seems my story has proved both to be entertaining and a point of discussion...I am pleased.


Much like you, Judi. ;)

Back on topic, is there a solution that recognizes:
a) people are clueless about copyright
b) you can't reasonably expect every printing shop to ask for proof (and when some do, it's a real pain) unless it's blindingly obvious like in this case
c) people will want to make many copies of some images?

Like, for example, selling the original at an elevated price instead of a print?

For example, every time I've gone whitewater rafting, they've had a photographer shooting at various places as we came crashing by. I've rarely bought photos because I didn't want to pay $20 for an 8x10, and my friends and I especially didn't each want to pay $20. But one time, they sold a CD for $25 with all of the shots the photographer took at one rapid and said "print whatever you like." And we bought it.

I wonder whether they sell more CDs than other places sell prints.

I promise I'm not arguing pros charge too much for prints; I understand about equipment, time, expertise, etc: it's not just about the cost of the paper and ink.

I'm just asking whether there's a better solution that works for both customer and photog, recognizing that making quality copies is much easier now than it used to be?
 07/09/2008 08:55:48 PM · #43
Originally posted by Eyesup:
My father in law... is gaining quite a collection of memory cards in just this fashion... he just fills it and buys a new one like it's film... I've told him one or twice that he doesn't need to but... ah well... I gues there are worse wastes of money...


You know, given card prices these days, I wonder if you shot on a simple JPG whether or not the price per shot would come out higher or lower than buying film. It may be pretty even. :)
 07/09/2008 08:59:51 PM · #44
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Eyesup:
My father in law... is gaining quite a collection of memory cards in just this fashion... he just fills it and buys a new one like it's film... I've told him one or twice that he doesn't need to but... ah well... I gues there are worse wastes of money...


You know, given card prices these days, I wonder if you shot on a simple JPG whether or not the price per shot would come out higher or lower than buying film. It may be pretty even. :)

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing last week when I bought a new card. When I shoot JPG, the card would be cheaper than film, for me. I took over 300 shots of our cabin for our flood insurance, with a 1 GB card, and I still had room for 200 more!
 07/09/2008 09:10:39 PM · #45
Just an update....I had to go into the Camera store today to get some urgent prints for the client of the photos in question. I got chatting with the manager and she said that this young woman had scammed them. Apparently when they told her that she would have to bring in a signed form giving her copyright...she said yes, she had been told that and knew she would bring them in. So obviously she has done this before as I have never said anything of the sorts to anyone about that. She also apparently got them to print several sizes of the said photos and apparently they looked disgusting...well, no kidding...a small websize image at 72ppi...oh doh!! But the good news is...she still had to pay them for the prints.....hahahahaha!!!
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