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07/07/2008 07:26:34 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by yanko:
Meaning had those 12 not voted the entry would have finished in the top 20 or had they voted like the rest, of which 61% voted between 6-10, it would have done even better. Mind you I'm not saying they should vote like that only that their impact in this case was fairly strong and I question their reasoning for it due to their outlier status. |
None of my entries (well, maybe two) deserve a one -- let's go back and redistribute those votes across the curve and raise my scores too, especially I need the help more than the photographer in question.
You are always free to disgree with voters. I don't think it's right to say they "should" have voted other than they did. |
You seem to be responding to something I never said or in any way advocate. Did you read the parts I bolded?
Message edited by author 2008-07-07 19:27:52.
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07/07/2008 07:28:45 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by egamble:
Originally posted by Mick:
Unfortunately, the photo does not depict any use or generation of clean power. The dam in the photo is obviously not a hydroelectric dam. |
I voted it high, because I thought it was. It could have won out of pure voter ignorance, such as mine.
If this is true..it is sad. I really liked the picture. |
I wasn't sure whether there's any hydroelectric generation there when I took it and submitted it. But in fact, it is not necessary to literally depict something, or depict a real instance of, in order to show a concept (as the results of most challenges show). The dam does represent real water power--a tremendous amount of it--whether it's just the potential for it, or actually being tapped there. |
What he said..... |
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07/07/2008 07:45:04 PM · #103 |
| The dam to me represents an obstacle to salmon swimming up stream. The windmill chops up many birds. Neither is really environmentaly friendly. Saran wrap helps us reuse perishables, a solid environmental concept. Even if I'm stretching the point a bit, does an entry have to be a cliche to meet the challenge? |
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07/07/2008 08:00:56 PM · #104 |
I personally would not vote a DNMC a 1. To get a 1 it has to be a really bad photo all the way across the board.
I also would not vote a DNMC a 9 or 10. If it isn't necessary to meet the challenge to get a hight score, then what is the point? They are called challenges for a reason. Otherwise we would just have endless open challenges.
Bottom line... It's my vote, I'll vote as I please. You feel free to do the same. I am not in the mood however, to hear someone tell me I am wrong because I didn't vote the way they did. I'm trying to be nice about it, but really... You are wrong because you did not vote the way I did. ;-) |
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07/07/2008 08:11:52 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by egamble:
Originally posted by yanko:
The point was had they voted like the rest of the voters which gave it a total score of 6.05, it would have put the entry into the top 20. |
If I had wings sticking out of my butt...I could fly backwards. |
No need just hitch a ride on PapaBob's pig. |
Now there is a free study entry!
Really, the discussion of what would've happened had certain people voted certain ways is totally irrelevant because it could be applied to many images. There's nothing magic about the vote distribution on this one.
You can also just as easily flip it: if all the people who voted it high had only voted it the way "everyone else" did, it would've fallen to Xth place.
But every time I read people arguing about people who supposedly are "outliers," I remember a short story about an election where one person is chosen to represent the masses. Not that he votes consciously - they figure that since every citizen is affected in some way (even if it's tiny) by everyone around him, his subsconscious mind will reflect the overall opinion. So they measure his brain and determine the winner.
Message edited by author 2008-07-07 20:14:37.
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07/07/2008 09:37:35 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by Mick:
I think  vw8802's photo is wonderful and it definitely fit the challenge criteria. |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It is an excellent image and a truly beautiful woman.
Tell me how on any level it fits the challenge. |
Originally posted by Mick:
Judi's opinion of how it met the challenge is very close to my own. I certainly think that it met the criteria at least as well as many of the recent ribbon winners. In fact, I think it fit at least as well as nshapiro's blue ribbon in the same challenge. |
Originally posted by Judi:
By reusing plastics in an interesting way....and besides...she may be very poor and not have any clothes...and then all the nudie police would have locked her up if she tried to go into public...so the photographer may have just saved this girls life...muuuuuuuwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! |
I really thought by the "muuuuuuuwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!" that she was kidding.
Reusing plastics? We know that doesn't happen with plastic wrap, that's a one time use item only.
Nudie Police? For real??????
C'mon, I would really like to hear a serious attempt at justification of its suitability for the Green* challenge.
I *LOVE* the image......REALLY!!!
It's just not even a good shoehorn; there's really no connection.
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07/07/2008 10:34:24 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's just not even a good shoehorn; there's really no connection. |
I agree.
Anyone got 3 cents?*
* See above for relevance.
Message edited by author 2008-07-07 22:34:54. |
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07/07/2008 10:40:30 PM · #108 |
I truly do not know what it is that the OP is complaining about.
Considering the challenge topic the image should be considered a resounding success. It is a shoehorn at best, and while it is true that it garnered a significant number of 1 scores, we seem to overlook that the tens doled out are also totally unjustified.
At best this image was a five, and that is simply due to the fact that it was a definite DNMC.
Ray |
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07/07/2008 11:22:17 PM · #109 |
Well, I scored the image a 6: I couldn't see the link to the challenge, and said so at the time I voted, but I also really liked the image. His comment "...wrap your leftovers" would have made a great humorous title, which might have garnered more favorable votes for a not-so-serious OOB approach. As it was, though, it was very hard to see much connection to the challenge.
I gotta say, though, there are lots of examples of more extreme shoehorns, and very few of those that are excellent images, as this one is. |
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07/07/2008 11:26:00 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I am tired of seeing boobs |
This statement is wrong in so many ways! ;-) |
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07/08/2008 08:21:49 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by Jac:
I am tired of seeing boobs |
This statement is wrong in so many ways! ;-) |
It's your statement that is wrong b/c the quote is completely out of context. ;\ |
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07/10/2008 03:27:46 PM · #112 |
Wow I had no idea that my shot would get it's own thread :)
I've kind of been a lurker here on and off for a few years...but I've only been at photography for about a year and a half.
5 pages? Wow. I mean honestly...I am completely flattered. I randomly stumbled into the forums today and found this.
Anywho...I put up a little piece on the page, so I can copy it onto here...
"Thanks for everyone who brought controversy to my shot :) I love it, and it's very flattering. Besides, (not that I'm in anyway comparing) Terry Richardson tends to split people down the middle with his photographs. I'm happy to be a similar kind of rebel.
As far as the subject matter is concerned, I was going for a more out-of-the-box approach on the topic. Thank you greatly to those of you who got that. See, here's the thing: it's all about recycling and not wasting. She is wearing Saran Wrap. Saran Wrap is generally used to save things, so that it's not wasted. I opted for a humorous slant on the topic. I really hate that I have to explain that, but so it goes.
For those of you who down-voted simply on the aspect of "nudity," I'm sorry. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions as far as nudity is concerned. I, personally, am not one to force my judgment on someone else, and dismiss something solely because of that, but to each their own. Additionally...after careful observation of the photograph, I have found no (and by no, I mean zero) instances of nudity. Maybe my eyes are going bad at the old age of 23, or maybe my monitor just isn't calibrated correctly. In fact, I've seen more revealing dresses at the Oscars. I was unaware that a photo with with a bare stomach and cleavage showing warranted a lower score. I'll have to go back and re-read the rules.
Regardless, I'm sure I'll stick around. And a quick congrats to my model Niki...who placed top 10 in the Hooters International Bikini Contest the other night. You can also catch her a few months back in "Girls of Hooters" feature in Playboy."
Some of you are reading a bit too much into it - as far as Saran Wrap being bad for the environment and whatnot. At best, the idea for the shot was whimsical, and I was just playing with the idea of recycling. Of course, at a deeper meaning, we are all just recycled images of the world and pop culture, where the idea of selling sex and having fake boobs is reused to make something that everyone thinks is better for the world regardless of if it really is ;) Of course...that's fine by me. It is what it is.
I can now take questions....
Message edited by author 2008-07-10 17:16:02. |
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07/10/2008 03:34:40 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by vw8802:
I can now take questions.... |
Can you send the model my way? :P
Welcome to DPC! For a year and a half you have a great portfolio. Good luck on future entries.
joe |
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07/10/2008 03:43:17 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by vw8802:
I can now take questions.... |
Can you send the model my way? :P
Welcome to DPC! For a year and a half you have a great portfolio. Good luck on future entries.
joe |
Can you send me contact info for the model?
Damn Joe, beat me to the punch. |
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07/10/2008 04:51:58 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by vw8802:
Some of you are reading a bit too much into it - as far as Saran Wrap being bad for the environment and whatnot. At best, the idea for the shot was whimsical, and I was just playing with the idea of recycling. Of course, at a deeper meaning, we are all just recycled images of the world and pop culture, where the idea of selling sex and having fake boobs is reused to make something that everyone thinks is better for the world regardless of if it really is ;) Of course...that's fine by me. It is what it is.
I can now take questions.... |
Not a question, just a statement. I think you are wise for your age. Welcome to the world of DPC. :) |
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07/11/2008 10:54:37 PM · #116 |
| I think I killed my own thread. Maybe I shouldn't have opened my mouth... |
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07/11/2008 11:14:47 PM · #117 |
| ok well im not going to read the whole entire thread, but i voted lower than normal on this photo just because i didnt thknk it really matched the challenge. otherwise, a very fabulous photo |
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07/11/2008 11:22:21 PM · #118 |
i thought the lady must be living in a bubble therefore reusing EVERYTHING in site,the air is recycled, the plastic,the hairspray,this ladys captured moment merely being a playful time of "look,im dressed like a casserole "....
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