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07/07/2008 04:31:08 PM · #76

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Several people have expressed in this very thread that it was not the provocative nature of the photo itself which drew their negative response, rather it was the inappropriate (in their opinion) and gratuitous use of that sexuality to "sell" a completely unrelated concept/product.

I understand that is what people are saying. However, this photo received more 1s than every single entry on the last page of the challenge results except for whiterook's entry (of course). Shouldn't a photo that finishes above average get less low votes than those that finish near the bottom? How do you explain that? It seems obvious to me the provocative nature was the catalyst for these votes and might I say some of the higher votes also. Point being, people are not being honest with themselves. Anybody who's been here long enough knows nudity/sex produces regularly produces extreme reactions both ways so to say it's because of the content/concept in coupled with the gratuitious use of sexuality is being a bit disingenuous to say the least, IMO.

Message edited by author 2008-07-07 16:36:14.

kleski

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07/07/2008 04:34:43 PM · #77

Oddly enough, the photog remains silent on the issue and I would love to understand his point of view regarding the shot. Looking at his portfolio, he is quite talented and quite possibly this is a "break" from his profession.

Once again, the challenges are set up to give a photog the "mission" for the shoot and the voters a criteria for scoring. It seems, in this case, that the voters saw this as a DNMC and voted it as they saw fit. I retract my comment about the sex vote but the rest is still valid. IMO the shot did not meet the challenge of "Reduce, Reuse or Recycle" thus reducing the score immediatly. I did score this a 4 because even though the photo DNMC it was still a great shot.

Bear_Music

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07/07/2008 04:40:11 PM · #78

Originally posted by kleski:

Not only that, he's never posted tot he forums and he's never marked a comment "helpful". I doubt he's aware of any of this going on LOL.

R.

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07/07/2008 04:43:20 PM · #79

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Mick:
I think vw8802's photo is wonderful and it definitely fit the challenge criteria.

It is an excellent image and a truly beautiful woman.

Tell me how on any level it fits the challenge.

Judi's opinion of how it met the challenge is very close to my own. I certainly think that it met the criteria at least as well as many of the recent ribbon winners. In fact, I think it fit at least as well as nshapiro's blue ribbon in the same challenge.

togtog

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07/07/2008 04:45:49 PM · #80

Maybe he isn't a he at all and instead a bot, so unaware of everything going on, the bot randomly picked a photo from some huge collection he has, and assigned a random title based on tags for that image, and then posted it...

I cannot yet explain the details box, but I'm working on it...

kleski

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

07/07/2008 04:46:49 PM · #81

Originally posted by Mick:

In fact, I think it fit at least as well as nshapiro's blue ribbon in the same challenge.

You mean the hydro dam that reduces carbon emissions by getting energy from water??

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07/07/2008 04:49:10 PM · #82

Originally posted by kleski:

Originally posted by Mick:
In fact, I think it fit at least as well as nshapiro's blue ribbon in the same challenge.

You mean the hydro dam that reduces carbon emissions by getting energy from water??

There is no hydro dam in the photo.

scalvert

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07/07/2008 04:49:33 PM · #83

Originally posted by yanko:

Shouldn't a photo that finishes above average get less low votes than those that finish near the bottom? How do you explain that?

Originally posted by kleski:

I did score this a 4 because even though the photo DNMC it was still a great shot.

There's your answer. It received a pile of 1's from some of the DNMC crowd, but also received some higher votes from those who are willing to show some recognition for the effort of a great photo. For many, the topic is a matter of "weight," rather than an all-or-nothing proposition. Just as some people will automatically fire off a 1, there might be some who give a high vote regardless of challenge topic. I had to self-DQ an entry once that I accidentally entered in the wrong challenge. It had absolutely nothing to do with the topic, but some people recognized my goof and it had three mercy votes of 9 or 10 before I yanked it. Bottom line: an outstanding photo can never finish dead last.

citymars

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07/07/2008 04:52:01 PM · #84

Originally posted by yanko:

... Point being, people are not being honest with themselves. Anybody who's been here long enough knows nudity/sex produces regularly produces extreme reactions both ways so to say it's because of the content/concept in coupled with the gratuitious use of sexuality is being a bit disingenuous to say the least, IMO.

But isn't that the truth? That it was the combination of content (DNMC) and sexuality that people apparently objected to? A sexy image that meets the theme can often do quite well:

tate

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07/07/2008 04:56:02 PM · #85

Good point.
Personally, I think it's hard to see "green" with this one though. It made me think of the 80's ... and unnatural (yet excellent) high wattage lighting, hairspray, makeup, and a great deal of setup (all of which I don't associate with "green").

I didn't participate in this challenge because the very notion of the topic conflicted with any ideas I had and I think it's such an important topic I didn't want to sell it short. Having said that I like the top 3 choices on this one.

Originally posted by yanko:

07/07/2008 04:56:58 PM · #86

Originally posted by Judi:

Ummmmmmm....excuse me...I voted it a 7....it was amongst my highest votes....is that enough for you? I agree...there are some catty chicks out there who are just plain jealous of the model....but that is their problem...!!!! The model is awesome and the photographer even more so!

It's enough for me to say that you weren't being catty. :)

07/07/2008 04:59:54 PM · #87

Originally posted by hopper:

maybe i don't know what you mean by "voted like the rest of the voters"

meaning those 12 votes distributed across the curve?

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by hopper:

Originally posted by yanko:
12 voters (i.e. 8% of the voting block) decided that image's fate.

I don't agree. If those 1's were 4's (not as harsh, but voting as if it didn't fit the challenge), it would have raised his score by only .25, giving him a 5.89

The point was had they voted like the rest of the voters which gave it a total score of 6.05, it would have put the entry into the top 20.

Meaning had those 12 not voted the entry would have finished in the top 20 or had they voted like the rest, of which 61% voted between 6-10, it would have done even better. Mind you I'm not saying they should vote like that only that their impact in this case was fairly strong and I question their reasoning for it due to their outlier status.

07/07/2008 05:12:34 PM · #88

Originally posted by citymars:

Originally posted by yanko:
... Point being, people are not being honest with themselves. Anybody who's been here long enough knows nudity/sex produces regularly produces extreme reactions both ways so to say it's because of the content/concept in coupled with the gratuitious use of sexuality is being a bit disingenuous to say the least, IMO.

But isn't that the truth? That it was the combination of content (DNMC) and sexuality that people apparently objected to? A sexy image that meets the theme can often do quite well:

I did mentioned earlier that some challenges do lend itself to the subject and in those cases they do well, a sins challenge being one of them. That said, I've seen water drops more edgy than that photo you posted. I like it and have nothing against it just that it's very Disney like if you get what I'm saying.

07/07/2008 05:13:58 PM · #89

Originally posted by yanko:

What's interesting is right or wrong, 12 voters (i.e. 8% of the voting block) decided that image's fate. Had they voted like everyone else did vw8802's photo finishes in the top 20 and is deemed a success.

Even the entries on the last page of the challenge results didn't get as many 1s (except for Whiterook's entry) and many of those were less on topic than vw8802's and with execution/concept that fell woefully short of his. How else can you explain those extra 1s he got if it wasn't the result of the sexuality in the image? Can we at least be honest with ourselves here?

I already said one of the resons I voted it low WAS the blatant use of sexuality to sell the concept.

07/07/2008 05:16:06 PM · #90

Originally posted by yanko:

The point was had they voted like the rest of the voters which gave it a total score of 6.05, it would have put the entry into the top 20.

If I had wings sticking out of my butt...I could fly backwards.

07/07/2008 05:20:49 PM · #91

Originally posted by Mick:

Really? I thought that too...until I looked closer at the blue ribbon winner. It isn't just a pretty picture....it is a very green concept of using clean power.

07/07/2008 05:25:43 PM · #92

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by yanko:

The point was had they voted like the rest of the voters which gave it a total score of 6.05, it would have put the entry into the top 20.

If I had wings sticking out of my butt...I could fly backwards.

No need just hitch a ride on PapaBob's pig.

07/07/2008 05:26:32 PM · #93

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by yanko:

The point was had they voted like the rest of the voters which gave it a total score of 6.05, it would have put the entry into the top 20.

If I had wings sticking out of my butt...I could fly backwards.

No need just hitch a ride on PapaBob's pig.

haha.

07/07/2008 05:55:15 PM · #94

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by Mick:

Judi's opinion of how it met the challenge is very close to my own. I certainly think that it met the criteria at least as well as many of the recent ribbon winners. In fact, I think it fit at least as well as nshapiro's blue ribbon in the same challenge.

Really? I thought that too...until I looked closer at the blue ribbon winner. It isn't just a pretty picture....it is a very green concept of using clean power.

Unfortunately, the photo does not depict any use or generation of clean power. The dam in the photo is obviously not a hydroelectric dam.