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Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

07/01/2008 11:13:05 AM · #51

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Juliet, the advanced rules are based (for the most part) on results, rather than tools (Basic is tools oriented). You can use whatever tools are at your disposal, as long as you stay within the bounds of WHAT the rules say you can and can't do.

I understand

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/01/2008 11:14:42 AM · #52

Originally posted by JulietNN:

So all to do with the time frame and not about the photograph

Most SC did not see the image before it was validated, and once that button gets pushed, it disappears from the queue. We didn't realize there was an issue until much later. The total time between realization, discussing how to handle it, voting, and final decision was 6 days. While we regret the time elapsed, it's not like we were batting it around for a month.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

07/01/2008 11:15:01 AM · #53

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Wow. You were busy! :-)

The listed editing steps seem to be a little thin?

it was HDR from 4 photos,
turned to black adn white,
dodged and burnt, bulged and sharpened ,
that was it

emphasis added... I guess that 'bulged' was the missing item that stood out. :-/

It's interesting how that tool works. You were able to extend that cape over the rocks - very cool, not legal I guess, but still a fun effect.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

07/01/2008 11:16:45 AM · #54

Originally posted by soup:

so if i were going away tomorrow, and asked for an image i was to enter in a challenge that would be voted on while i was away to be validated prior to me leaving, there would be no guarantee that the validation would hold water?

that seems a bit silly to me. what's the point ?

Originally posted by Manic:
Please note that there is no such thing as 'pre-validation'. All we offer is a review (when asked via help->contact us) of the proposed technique or particular edit, and that review is only ever done by a small number of SC, not the majority, thus won't always guarantee validation during the challenge.

Note that this is not related to this thread...the image wasn't pre-submitted for an opinion.

But no, if you submit an image because you are going away on vacation, it's not validated until such time as it would be normally validated--e.g., if it's challenged by users, or it's one of the top shots. You can't ask for an image to be officially prevalidated.

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

07/01/2008 11:17:51 AM · #55

Sorry Dad, also the HDR was missing, I put the complete steps into the original steps for you.

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

07/01/2008 11:20:06 AM · #56

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by JulietNN:
So all to do with the time frame and not about the photograph

Most SC did not see the image before it was validated, and once that button gets pushed, it disappears from the queue. We didn't realize there was an issue until much later. The total time between realization, discussing how to handle it, voting, and final decision was 6 days. While we regret the time elapsed, it's not like we were batting it around for a month.

See its all that buttons fault, it swallowed the picture for 25 days!!!!!!!! lol

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

07/01/2008 11:25:38 AM · #57

How come Mick isn't on this thread complaining about digital art? :)

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

07/01/2008 11:52:50 AM · #58

cos he is on yours HAHAHHAHAHAHA

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/01/2008 12:31:57 PM · #59

If it's any consolation, Posthumous Ribbons are *NOT* affected by DQs. You may continue to wave it proudly around the living room.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

07/01/2008 12:35:12 PM · #60

Originally posted by posthumous:

If it's any consolation, Posthumous Ribbons are *NOT* affected by DQs.

I'd rather have a DQ than be honored posthumously anytime soon. I'm funny that way.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

07/01/2008 01:15:41 PM · #61

i thought that if i were, for instance, not going to be around or capable of submitting my original if a validation request were requested, i could send it off prior to the challenge vote period... for pre-validation. as it sounds, it's just one more thing to worry about while you're traveling i suppose.

sounds like that's sort of a shot in the dark way of being assured you're image passes the test.

ETA : oops, i guess i'm off topic. sorry...

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by soup:

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so if i were going away tomorrow, and asked for an image i was to enter in a challenge that would be voted on while i was away to be validated prior to me leaving, there would be no guarantee that the validation would hold water?

Actually, you couldn't do that at all. It's not possible to validate an image before the challenge starts. You can ask for opinions and, while not guaranteed, we'll note if something is borderline. Usually, it's a safe yes or no.

Message edited by author 2008-07-01 13:17:21.

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

07/01/2008 01:17:35 PM · #62

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:
If it's any consolation, Posthumous Ribbons are *NOT* affected by DQs.

I'd rather have a DQ than be honored posthumously anytime soon. I'm funny that way.

You already have a DQ ... do you need another? ;)

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

07/01/2008 01:18:14 PM · #63

Originally posted by soup:

No worries. Enjoy your travel. By submitting the image ahead of time, it's really there for a "just in case" scenario. If your entry needs to be validated, then it's available (make sure you provide editing steps with it).

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/01/2008 01:25:52 PM · #64

Originally posted by soup:

If you have a question about legality, you can ask in a ticket, and we'll offer opinions. A full vote is not possible because a majority of the SC are not always around to see every ticket for a quick response, and the photographer could change the entry after opinions are given anyway. The answer is usually simple, but if there's any doubt we'll say so and explain what to be careful with.

You can send your original and editing steps in case we need them while you're traveling. We won't actually see it unless validation is requested during the voting phase- then it pops into our voting queue. Unless your original has been modified, it won't make much difference if you're traveling or not by that point.

togtog

Nikon D300

07/01/2008 01:31:45 PM · #65

I've never seen so many replies from different council before in one thread, this is very very interesting. JulietNN has a way of stirring up trouble, now I know who to turn to if I ever need attention to a certain subject xD hehehe...

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

07/01/2008 01:37:51 PM · #66

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

JulietNN: I don't understand, I made a validation, do you have my validation?

nshapiro: Yes, we do, unfortunately, in your shot, the cape has been radically altered, and it must be DQ'd.

JulietNN: But the validation means you found my editing to be legal. That's why you have the
validation.

nshapiro: I know why we have validations.

JulietNN: I don't think you do. If you did, my photo wouldn't be DQ'd. See, you know how to
make the validation, you just don't know how to *hold* the validation and
that's really the most important part of the validation, the holding. Anybody
can just make them.

nshapiro: Let me, uh, speak with my supervisor.

* nshapiro goes into an office with a window in the door so he can be seen
speaking with someone.*

JulietNN: Uh, here we go. The supervisor. You know what he's saying over there?

Art Roflmao: What?

JulietNN: Hey Langdon, you see those two people over there? They think I'm talking
to you, so you pretend like you're talking to me, okay now you start talking.

Art Roflmao: Oh, you mean like this? So it looks like I'm saying something but I'm
not really saying anything at all?

JulietNN: Now you say something else and they won't yell at me 'cause they thought
I was checking with you.

Art Roflmao: Okay, that's it. I think that's enough, see you later.

* nshapiro returns.*

nshapiro: I'm sorry, my supervisor says there's nothing we can do.

JulietNN: Yeah, it looked as if you were in a real conversation over there.

nshapiro: But we do have an apology if you would like that.

JulietNN: Fine.

nshapiro: Alright. Sorry that you were first validated, then DQ'd. The initial validation was an error on our part, Juliet. Would you like insurance?

JulietNN: Yeah, you better give me the insurance, because I am gonna beat the hell
out of this apology.

nshapiro: Please fill this out.

I see you liked watching The Seinfeld episodes also.
Here is the episode, funny!

Message edited by author 2008-07-01 13:42:07.

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

07/01/2008 02:43:40 PM · #67

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:
If it's any consolation, Posthumous Ribbons are *NOT* affected by DQs.

I'd rather have a DQ than be honored posthumously anytime soon. I'm funny that way.

I got the PH during the challenge, and I honour that more highly than any other thing.

Message edited by author 2008-07-01 14:45:07.

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

07/01/2008 02:46:00 PM · #68

Originally posted by togtog:

Now I am starting to get pissed off. I am by no way stirring up trouble

togtog

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/01/2008 02:55:47 PM · #69

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Originally posted by togtog:
I've never seen so many replies from different council before in one thread, this is very very interesting. JulietNN has a way of stirring up trouble, now I know who to turn to if I ever need attention to a certain subject xD hehehe...

Now I am starting to get pissed off. I am by no way stirring up trouble

Aww, I tease my dear. I believe your points to be fair and was just poking some fun. Sorry if I offended.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/01/2008 02:57:55 PM · #70

Togtog is stirring up trouble.

togtog

Nikon D300

07/01/2008 02:59:47 PM · #71

Originally posted by scalvert:

Togtog is stirring up trouble.

>_> <_< but it was only a little trouble *grumbles* I'm sorry, really I am! *wanders off to continue work on dooms day device*

FireBird

07/01/2008 03:03:34 PM · #72

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

How come Mick isn't on this thread complaining about digital art? :)

Because he's more scrupulous than you about hijacking threads. Heck, you even hijack your own threads! LOL!

FireBird

07/01/2008 03:07:20 PM · #73

In all the hullalaboo I must have missed it, why was a validation required in the first place? Somebody push the suspicious button during the challenge?