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 07/01/2008 10:43:07 AM · #26
Originally posted by soup:
so if i were going away tomorrow, and asked for an image i was to enter in a challenge that would be voted on while i was away to be validated prior to me leaving, there would be no guarantee that the validation would hold water?

Actually, you couldn't do that at all. It's not possible to validate an image before the challenge starts. You can ask for opinions and, while not guaranteed, we'll note if something is borderline. Usually, it's a safe yes or no.
 07/01/2008 10:43:19 AM · #27
Originally posted by scalvert:
[quote=karmat]It's up to Juliet if she wants to share the original for comparison.


Scav is going to pull up the originals versus me trying to remember it from memory

Message edited by author 2008-07-01 10:49:52.
 07/01/2008 10:46:37 AM · #28
Um, even the "before" is substantially edited from your original. Would you like to have both visible?
 07/01/2008 10:46:57 AM · #29
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I know, you can all come to my house and clean it for a week!!! =)

Woo!


Did I mention the babysitting services too, ohohoh and the use of your camera!!! lol
 07/01/2008 10:49:12 AM · #30
Originally posted by scalvert:
Um, even the "before" is substantially edited from your original. Would you like to have both visible?


yes that would be great if you have it, as I am doing it from memory here, the original is on teh lap top in America which I didnt drag here, so if you have it brilliant, becuase then it will refresh my mind too.

thanks!
 07/01/2008 10:50:10 AM · #31
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07/01/2008 10:53:27 AM · #32
Damn, I did some kick arse processing on that lol!!!

No I can understand that it was used adn that is the reason that it was DQ'd. I think for me, it was the fact that it did get validated then a month later un-validated.

07/01/2008 10:53:59 AM · #33
Originally posted by scalvert:

The image was inadvertently validated with only 3 votes. The rules say, "All disqualifications are determined by majority vote of the Site Council." Three votes is not a majority per the rules, so it was put back into the queue and we waived the DQ penalty because of the confusion. I'm not sure what else we could do in the name of fairness.


I had a discussion like this with Cox the other day, where they made a mistake, penalized me for it and then graciously said they would waive the fee. Eh.

Overall, my opinion (for all it's worth) is this - Juliet made a mistake. SC also made a mistake. Anal-retention ruled and Juliet was DQ'd. I feel in the spirit of largesse Juliet should have been made aware of her mistake and then it should have been LET GO. But no. The point had to be made waaay after the fact. Pretty petty.
 07/01/2008 10:55:39 AM · #34

Wow. You were busy! :-)

The listed editing steps seem to be a little thin?
 07/01/2008 10:56:07 AM · #35
Originally posted by redjulep:
I feel in the spirit of largesse Juliet should have been made aware of her mistake and then it should have been LET GO.

That's what we did. The DQ does not count against her, but the image itself was still illegal.
 07/01/2008 10:56:58 AM · #36
We didn't do it to pick on Juliet, or even just to reverse the mistake of the non-majority validation. We did it because having an illegally edited image in the system as "validated" makes the system inconsistent, and can even be used "against" the validation system later as a precedent (and it would be an incorrect precedent).
07/01/2008 10:58:15 AM · #37
Whoooooooooohooooooooooo I am a rebel!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neil, you get to do the dishes!!! =)
 07/01/2008 10:59:38 AM · #38
Sorry SC - I stand corrected on the 'pre-validation'/ "during challenge validation". Thanks for clarifying for me and the rest of us.

From what I have read, I think I understand the following... 'pre-validation' is merely opinion getting for a subset of SC - useful but not concrete proof of validation. 'During challenge validation' is a quick review by a subset of SC to ensure no obvious editing rules were broken - again not concrete proof. REAL Validation only occurs after the challenge is over and is voted by all (or a majority) of SC

Do I have this correct?
 07/01/2008 11:00:06 AM · #39
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Wow. You were busy! :-)

The listed editing steps seem to be a little thin?


it was HDR from 4 photos,
turned to black adn white,
dodged and burnt, bulged and sharpened ,
that was it
 07/01/2008 11:00:16 AM · #40
Originally posted by redjulep:
The point had to be made waaay after the fact. Pretty petty.

That's a pretty cynical way to look at it. I don't think they were making a point so much as sanitizing the collection of validated entries. It's actually a good thing. (No offence Juliet, of course. :P)
 07/01/2008 11:02:20 AM · #41
And to be honest, it really has nothing to do with the photograph. That is not the issue. The issue only had to do with being validated by SC during the challenge, and a month later DQ'd even though it was validated.

So all to do with the time frame and not about the photograph
 07/01/2008 11:03:49 AM · #42
Originally posted by JulietNN:
And to be honest, it really has nothing to do with the photograph. That is not the issue. The issue only had to do with being validated by SC during the challenge, and a month later DQ'd even though it was validated.

So all to do with the time frame and not about the photograph


Understood.

And I'll babysit my daughter's long lost twin brother while the others clean.
 07/01/2008 11:05:04 AM · #43
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by redjulep:
The point had to be made waaay after the fact. Pretty petty.

That's a pretty cynical way to look at it. I don't think they were making a point so much as sanitizing the collection of validated entries. It's actually a good thing. (No offence Juliet, of course. :P)


None taken Louis. And I think that if that much bulge tool is illegal, then it should have been DQ'd. But not a month later adn with a validation.

I seriously think, that teh Liquifying tools should be taken out of the Advanced editing rules and just not allowed. You can make a person thinner, but you can not make something bigger.

SO the point is, you can distort an image to make it smaller, but not larger.

There should be a blanket ruling, not a pick and choose ruling
 07/01/2008 11:06:33 AM · #44
And one last thing. (Well probably not, but,,,,)

The SC has handled this big fat mess very nicely with me, it was just a big fat cock up from the point I entered it lol
 07/01/2008 11:08:14 AM · #45
Where the hell are Bill O'Reilly & Anderson Cooper when you need them :).
 07/01/2008 11:08:14 AM · #46
Charming British-ese. ;)
 07/01/2008 11:08:23 AM · #47
Originally posted by bassbone:
Do I have this correct?

Almost. "Pre-validation" is just opinions... usually from 2-5 SC. Validations during and after challenges are actual votes, but in this case there was a conflict in our guidelines between the number of votes required for validation or DQ and our self-imposed internal deadline for decisions. The deadline had expired, so somebody pushed the button according to procedure, but a majority of the SC had not yet voted per the rules, so it was recalled to ensure a correct decision either way. While it's apparent from this that a few opinions do not guarantee legality, it's extremely rare for the first few SC to agree one way and have the vote go the opposite direction.
 07/01/2008 11:09:19 AM · #48
Originally posted by bassbone:
From what I have read, I think I understand the following... 'pre-validation' is merely opinion getting for a subset of SC - useful but not concrete proof of validation.


personally, i would prefer that the term "pre-validation" be completely obliterated because no such thing exists.

often when we are asked our opinion, we answer with a plain interpretation of the rules and then follow it up by saying something like "but i'd need to see the original."

you're always welcome to ask questions and get clarification, either in the public forum or via a ticket. but no validation will ever ever ever occur until the challenge goes into voting.

so, pre-validation. :)
 07/01/2008 11:11:44 AM · #49
Juliet, the advanced rules are based (for the most part) on results, rather than tools (Basic is tools oriented). You can use whatever tools are at your disposal, as long as you stay within the bounds of WHAT the rules say you can and can't do.
07/01/2008 11:11:51 AM · #50
Originally posted by muckpond:
[quote=bassbone] but no validation will ever ever ever occur until the challenge goes into voting.



But it was validated

to me it is kinda like saying, hey you won first prize, here is your car. A month later you take it back cos the paperwork you did was screwed up.

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