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06/30/2008 10:31:18 AM · #1 |
| If there was an image that was clearly, via photographer's own description, against the rules, and DQ was requested, why wouldn't that image be DQ'ed? |
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06/30/2008 10:42:13 AM · #2 |
Consider the difference between the definitions of "rules" and "guidelines" "challenge details" and which of those terms you are referring to.
edited to change my own use of terminology
Message edited by author 2008-06-30 10:43:47. |
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06/30/2008 10:45:17 AM · #3 |
Did the image violate the editing rules? Or the challenge description?
Originally posted by CEJ:
If there was an image that was clearly, via photographer's own description, against the rules, and DQ was requested, why wouldn't that image be DQ'ed? |
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06/30/2008 10:46:18 AM · #4 |
Maybe it's too old? Users can request validation until the end of the results week. Unless there's evidence of willful cheating, we usually don't bother with validations older than that unless it has some significance.
Message edited by author 2008-06-30 14:05:30. |
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06/30/2008 01:10:35 PM · #5 |
Hmm...seems to me that if an image is discovered to not be a legal image for submission to ANY challenge rule set, that no matter when it was detected and request made for DQ, it should be followed up on. Otherwise people who read the image description may think that it is LEGAL to submit a similar image. Just because it is 'late' as you say, shouldn't make any difference.
I asked about this and the answer of 'definitely be DQ'ed' was the answer I received (from you - scalvert). I have had at least two requests for validation that were long after the challenge ended. So I don't necessarily see the point of time.
I also recall, but cannot locate at the moment, threads where responses from SC members to similar questions were "ALWAYS keep your original image as you never know when someone will request validation."
I requested a DQ a couple weeks ago and the challenge is from April of this year.
Message edited by author 2008-06-30 13:12:03. |
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06/30/2008 01:13:03 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
...I also recall, but cannot locate at the moment, threads where responses from SC members to similar questions were "ALWAYS keep your original image as you never know when someone will request validation." ... |
Yep. That sounds familiar to me as well. I've always kept a copy of the original. |
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06/30/2008 01:20:06 PM · #7 |
I once also requested a DQ after someone admitted to breaking the rules set at the time, and the image was not DQ'd ... but I understand why. The SC has plenty of current duties to attend to (for free) and I don't think it would be a good use of time to investigate "old" challenges. Now how old is "old"? That's for the SC to decide (which, obviously they have).
I think your complaint is valid, CEJ, but I also understand why the SC has created a cut off for requests.
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06/30/2008 01:25:17 PM · #8 |
Your point about someone reading it and thinking something similar would be OK is a good one, but can be overcome by the fact that the photographer needs to be familiar with the current ruleset under which he or she is entering. The rulesets have changed a little over time, and stuff that was perfectly legal in the early days (and not so long ago for that matter) may no longer be legal.
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06/30/2008 01:32:43 PM · #9 |
| I find an internal sense of right and wrong is very helpful in these situations. |
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06/30/2008 01:43:54 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
I requested a DQ a couple weeks ago and the challenge is from April of this year. |
Was the image a winner, or in the top ten, etc? I guess I could see chasing it down retroactively in that case (though it is likely a highly ranked image would already have been sufficiently scrutinized at the time). With the SC's limited time, unless such a thing had deprived someone of a ribbon, or a top ten placement, etc, I'm guessing it is a pretty low priority thing to most folks. But that's just me. |
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06/30/2008 01:51:36 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
I also recall, but cannot locate at the moment, threads where responses from SC members to similar questions were "ALWAYS keep your original image as you never know when someone will request validation." |
The voting rules state that users can request validation, "no later than seven days after the challenge results are posted." You should still try to keep your originals, though, because we have gone back to look at older entries if there's evidence of abuse or intentional cheating (multiple accounts, EXIF tampering, etc.). We did discuss the entry you called to our attention, but I don't think it ever went to a vote because, well, the challenge was several months ago. While it's possible that someone could look at the entry as precedent (and I can think of other cases), it wasn't actually validated, and the current rules are the guideline for legality. |
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