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06/20/2008 04:21:28 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Eyesup:
Kids do have their own rewards... and my inckling is that her has to be more to the story than just "he grounded me and now I'm sueing... I wonder what the relationship was like before... and what role the mom played in all this... most well adjusted kids don't go straight to "I'm going to sue dad" after being grounded... in fact even though they constantly push the boundaries Kids really do need to know that those boundaries are there. |
She's gone back to mom and I take it there's an ongoing custody battle. My imaginings, based on no real facts, mind you, are that mom lets her do more, dad doesn't agree, wants more structure, kid plays both sides against the middle. (And when that doesn't work, brings in the court.) |
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06/20/2008 04:32:20 PM · #27 |
Ungrateful little s&*^ is right!
FINE, government wants to control parents raising their children...then when the little s*(&^ act up, take 'em to the judge's house and let her deal w/her, lol!!
Easy fix...remove computer and internet access and make her curfew even earlier...she's freakin' 12! Nothing is owed, it's earned and she hasn't earned it. (Heaven help the guy that ever gets messed up w/this little chick...) I'm w/ NikonJeb
Good that I can't have kids or I would already be in prison...I'd be way to strict if they were awfull, but they would probably have been PERFECT! :P |
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06/20/2008 04:44:13 PM · #28 |
lol I dont even think me or my sister would make it to the court building to sue my dad for him grounding us....
Message edited by author 2008-06-20 16:44:33.
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06/20/2008 04:46:30 PM · #29 |
| However this turns out (appeals & all), my last word as the father to my daughter would be, "Honey, you know I still love you, but with the cost of lawyers these days I don't think I'll be able to get that car I was hoping to get you for your 16th birthday :(" :-P |
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06/20/2008 04:48:21 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by JMart:
However this turns out (appeals & all), my last word as the father to my daughter would be, "Honey, you know I still love you, but with the cost of lawyers these days I don't think I'll be able to get that car I was hoping to get you for your 16th birthday :(" :-P |
I know, I know... Such a comment might just open him up to another law suit in which she wins a new car too. |
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06/20/2008 04:58:35 PM · #31 |
What a strange world we live in? In my house, children were just that until they were old enough to vote, work or move out. House rules were not negiotable...you don't like the rules, fine! But, you live here and do what we say.
I am so glad I don't live on the other side of the pond, it seems like it has all gone crazy. Judges seem to be living on another planet...although that same mindset is becoming more common here.
I think I am going to sue my grandchildren, before they can do it to me!! |
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06/20/2008 05:04:06 PM · #32 |
So the kids takes the father to court... which slime ball of a lawyer goes near this one in the first place?.... I agree kicking her out @12 is not an option (although she deserves it) but maybe live in the garage with the dog or something... Pathetic, and worse that a judge didn't laugh it to where it belongs....
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06/20/2008 05:08:08 PM · #33 |
From what little is presented in the article, the parents were getting divorced and suing over custody. It's not unusual for the court to appoint a lawyer to serve the interests of the child. The parents likely had rules from the judge about what they could and could not do, and it's the child's lawyer's job to do what she sees as the best interest of the child (his/her client).
Where's the "30 years ago.." guy? Wasn't life much better when parents could beat their kids senseless? Child abuse (like spousal abuse) was much more fun back then, I'd imagine. |
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06/20/2008 05:16:59 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by meyers:
From what little is presented in the article, the parents were getting divorced and suing over custody. It's not unusual for the court to appoint a lawyer to serve the interests of the child. The parents likely had rules from the judge about what they could and could not do, and it's the child's lawyer's job to do what she sees as the best interest of the child (his/her client).
Where's the "30 years ago.." guy? Wasn't life much better when parents could beat their kids senseless? Child abuse (like spousal abuse) was much more fun back then, I'd imagine. |
30 years ago, we didn't beat our kids senseless. We just raised them properly. So much for facicious comments about child abuse:) My kids were not abused, they were informed about right and wrong, where the boundaries were and what happened if they overstepped them.
My 37 year old son is quite well adjusted. My 36 daughter is also almost well adjusted. They have their own children, who are being raised by the same standards. We never really went in for the abuse side of things, we just pointed them in the right direction.
Message edited by author 2008-06-20 17:17:27. |
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06/20/2008 05:35:30 PM · #35 |
Just another example of a spoiled kid, in between divorced parents, not getting her way, taking action the only way she can, and convincing an incompetent judged that the parent wasn't in his rights to discipline.
Spanking is one thing, but a beating is another.
Ok, so what, you can't spank the little, spoiled bitch...let her suffer the consequences at Christmas, and at birthdays....take the hinges off her bedroom door....keep the computer and television and the radio out of her room....don't give her a cell phone....don't give her a car....don't give her anything she wants anymore until she decides to straighten up her attitude.
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06/20/2008 05:44:12 PM · #36 |
| Too funny! It seems DrAchoo's instincts were right--- grounding = kidnapping or imprisonment. Check another one off the list of available methods of discipline. Is telling your child to 'be quiet' infringing on their right to free speech? |
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06/20/2008 06:09:47 PM · #37 |
| It seems that the judge overturned the fact that the daughter could not go on a school function not grounding. Since we don't know what the function was(i.e. a dance or an educational field trip) it could be possible that the function could have been part of school curriculum and could affect her grades. Thats the only way I see it could be possible for the judge to make that decision. Still a strange case. |
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06/20/2008 06:43:47 PM · #38 |
| Wheres Louis when we need him :) |
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06/20/2008 06:47:42 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Wheres Louis when we need him :) |
He won't pop in until this thread is in rant. :-P
Message edited by author 2008-06-20 18:48:15. |
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06/20/2008 07:07:55 PM · #40 |
Hmmmmm, can't ground them anymore.
How about duct taping your child to the hood of your car and driving down the highway, I suppose some fancy smancy judge will have an issue with me doing that.
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06/20/2008 08:42:17 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
It seems that the judge overturned the fact that the daughter could not go on a school function not grounding. Since we don't know what the function was(i.e. a dance or an educational field trip) it could be possible that the function could have been part of school curriculum and could affect her grades. Thats the only way I see it could be possible for the judge to make that decision. Still a strange case. |
From the tv news story I saw, the school function was the year-end trip to Ottawa, which is basically just a fun trip to celebrate finishing elementary school.
I class it the same as my kids' 5th grade ski trip. (eta; which they would have been grounded from if we had deemed necessary)
edit again to add link with more details;
Message edited by author 2008-06-20 20:47:04. |
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06/20/2008 08:59:19 PM · #42 |
"She's becoming a big girl. ... It's a unique event in her life," Ms. Fortin said.
the father banned his 12-year-old daughter from going online after she posted photos of herself on a dating site.
That pretty much sums up the article.
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06/20/2008 09:29:36 PM · #43 |
I think the Dad was stupid - I would have grounded her from going to court AND seeing a lawyer - GRIN!
I'm hoping this is a hoax - I simply can't believe it can be true.
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06/20/2008 10:18:47 PM · #44 |
20 years ago (OMG, it is THAT long already) I was working as a teacher in a Kindergarten/preschool in Australia.
Even back then there were many restrictions on teachers re discipline and other issues.
One day I was speaking sternly to a 4 year old about something he had done.
He gave me a challenging look and said: "So? Watcha gonna do about it? You're not even allowed to TOUCH me!!!!!" |
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06/20/2008 11:07:46 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by Eyesup:
Kids do have their own rewards... and my inckling is that her has to be more to the story than just "he grounded me and now I'm sueing... I wonder what the relationship was like before... and what role the mom played in all this... most well adjusted kids don't go straight to "I'm going to sue dad" after being grounded... in fact even though they constantly push the boundaries Kids really do need to know that those boundaries are there. |
She's gone back to mom and I take it there's an ongoing custody battle. My imaginings, based on no real facts, mind you, are that mom lets her do more, dad doesn't agree, wants more structure, kid plays both sides against the middle. (And when that doesn't work, brings in the court.) |
Unfortunate if I'm right, but I imagine eyesup and  beecee may have nailed it. If there is a visitation or custody battle going in, there is no doubt in my mind that Mom is behind this.
In that case, I believe that this little girl will sooner or later realize who was looking out for her best interests... Daddy.
Also unfortunately, it may take until she has kids for her to realize this. I know I've apologized to my parents for stupid thing I've done a few times since I've had my girls (and especially since they've turned teenagers). :) A lot easier to put myself in their shoes. |
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06/20/2008 11:45:14 PM · #46 |
While I read these threads with great interest I seldom respond.
Still, this is one that really hits home.
12 years old. Come on! Yes, I realize kids grow up earlier than just a few years ago, but still. When you really think about it, would ANY 12-year-old acting alone actually find council who would take legal action for such a trivial thing?
It is entirely likely, indeed quite probable, that this kid has been a pawn in the battle between the two adults since the custody battle began some years ago.
It's also possible this kid has learned - out of simple self-preservation - to play both ends against the middle. this is not necessarily a good thing. Still, it's a way a kid has of surviving.
Sure, your kid wouldn't think of such antics. And if they did, you'd contrive various punishments for them. But, you are reacting like "normal" parents.
Then, some say: this kid deserves a good spanking? Again, some normal parent might go "spank, spank, spank, and actually go tap, tap, tap" on a kid's tush, but dang it, there are many adults who beat the daylights out of their kids again and again - it's called child abuse for good reason.
This is getting way too long, and perhaps a little personal, but I'll close by saying your kids are learning from your actions - every one of them. Please make sure they are actions you are proud of and would like to see emulated.
Because, I assure you,they WILL be copied.
Okay, end of rant.
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06/21/2008 12:40:56 AM · #47 |
All I have to say is this... wtf mate...
But in all seriousness this would be absolutley horrible if this set some sort of precedent.
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06/21/2008 01:56:16 AM · #48 |
| well, heres the new age alternitive! if your kid is going crazy, bring them to the doctor(rather than letting them go burn up the energy they have by running around outside, getting cuts and scrapes like a normal kid and learning from them) and the doc will either say they are A: bipolar B:ADD or C:some other new syndrom as to why i kid has energy. and they can drug them up with druglh-283(notice, it cures all 3 syndroms/disorders.... and then the parents can be on there way... they did this to a girl that lived down the street from me, she got to be so rough and tough in childhood, then they drugged her up, and in highschool she was put in with in with the mentaly challenged/special needs kids, its a shame to see what the world is comming to.... sorry if i offend anyone by what i wrote, im not trying to, its just the truth of today. |
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06/21/2008 02:35:42 AM · #49 |
It's going to be interesting to see how the world will be when these kids are in charge about 20 years from now, and how they will be dealing with their teenagers. I can only have hope that this generation will grow up to be OK.
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06/21/2008 02:56:06 AM · #50 |
I noticed something when I read the article. The case was based in Quebec! That in itself explains much - with all that french influence no wonder the judgement was a few sou short of a franc!
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