Unmasking the Mask Challenge... - DPChallenge Forums

06/02/2008 12:10:08 PM · #126

I've worn a hat on other parts of my body than on my head :) A mask doesn't necessarily have to be worn on the face either..... I really am not surprised these kinds of threads still continue to clutter up the forums here in DPC. Its been happening for years and it won't stop in the coming years either, there are always a few going deep into the challenge descriptions and putting them under a microscope. Hawkeye the amount of time you have spent in this thread ripping the challenge description and entered photos to pieces could have been well spent getting out there and photographing something for the next challenge. Remember this is all just a bunch of fun, we enter these challenges as a way to show off some of our photography. It isn't a court process where we are under the strict supervision of court prosecutors attempting to find us guilty of serious crimes. Grab your camera man, go out and take some photos and let the challenges run their course without trying your best to spoil it for the participants. In the long run the scoring will sort itself out, there will be 3 ribbons awarded and thats the name of the game here.

06/02/2008 12:11:44 PM · #127

I wasn't refering to yours. =D It's obvious which image is Art's and which is mine. That is what I meant.... He and I are going down in flames together!

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06/02/2008 12:12:30 PM · #128

Originally posted by kiwiness:

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Moose408

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

06/02/2008 12:14:13 PM · #129

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

[Besides, it's clarified: things people put on (or paint on) to hide some or all of their faces

Just wanted to point out that this was defining what a mask was, it was not stating how it should be depicted. The 2nd sentence is where it said it had to be worn by someone.

06/02/2008 12:16:52 PM · #130

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06/02/2008 12:17:41 PM · #131

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glad2badad

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06/02/2008 12:18:49 PM · #132

Originally posted by kiwiness:

I've worn a hat on other parts of my body than on my head :) A mask doesn't necessarily have to be worn on the face either.....

Challenge Description (excerpt): "Find or create a mask, and photograph someone wearing it this week."

HawkeyeLonewolf may be a bit extreme in his pursuit of this topic, but he's not so far off the mark IMO. There are quite a few "pretty pictures" in the challenge that have nothing to do with a person "wearing it" (on any part of their body).

gaurav

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06/02/2008 12:22:56 PM · #133

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06/02/2008 12:28:20 PM · #134

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by kiwiness:
I've worn a hat on other parts of my body than on my head :) A mask doesn't necessarily have to be worn on the face either.....

Challenge Description (excerpt): "Find or create a mask, and photograph someone wearing it this week."

HawkeyeLonewolf may be a bit extreme in his pursuit of this topic, but he's not so far off the mark IMO. There are quite a few "pretty pictures" in the challenge that have nothing to do with a person "wearing it" (on any part of their body).

Voters should be able to go into the voting and vote the way they see fit. But writing lists in a forum thread of exactly how many photos display this and display that, is just a way of getting voters to look for those specific photos and vote them lower. That is totally unfair. That is voting manipulation in my opinion. Many reading this thread will see these lists after they have voted and go back and change their votes because they think "oh, maybe he is right there".

06/02/2008 12:29:32 PM · #135

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Hawk I understand what you're thinking is and normally I do find a few DNMC in every challenge that I give 1's to. However, I hope that you will go back and take a second glance at the pictures. I agree that if there is no mask then give it a 1. But maybe for having a mask in the shot give them a couple points for that. I mean they were not trying to shoehorn an entry they just interpreted the challenge different They at least TRIED to meet the challenge. There are a few where the mask is just off the face slightly for a reason. "damn not letting the decription be visable till afterwards"..... Please at least humor me? Oh and when you pass mine again feel free to get rid of the 1 and give me a 10! =D

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glad2badad

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06/02/2008 12:34:29 PM · #136

Originally posted by kiwiness:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by kiwiness:
I've worn a hat on other parts of my body than on my head :) A mask doesn't necessarily have to be worn on the face either.....

Challenge Description (excerpt): "Find or create a mask, and photograph someone wearing it this week."

HawkeyeLonewolf may be a bit extreme in his pursuit of this topic, but he's not so far off the mark IMO. There are quite a few "pretty pictures" in the challenge that have nothing to do with a person "wearing it" (on any part of their body).

Voters should be able to go into the voting and vote the way they see fit. But writing lists in a forum thread of exactly how many photos display this and display that, is just a way of getting voters to look for those specific photos and vote them lower. That is totally unfair. That is voting manipulation in my opinion. Many reading this thread will see these lists after they have voted and go back and change their votes because they think "oh, maybe he is right there".

I hear you. I used to get worked up about these kind of threads and "voter manipulation"...don't bother me so much anymore. I'll agree that creating a "list" is likely not appropriate. Hmmm...considering that we're solidly into spring...I'm surprised to have not seen more "flower/butterfly, etc..." bashing. :-)

06/02/2008 12:37:56 PM · #137

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06/02/2008 12:41:22 PM · #138

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Jammur

Nikon D300

06/02/2008 12:42:23 PM · #139

From Wiki:
A mask is an artifact normally worn on the face, typically for protection, concealment, performance, or amusement. Masks have been used since antiquity for both ceremonial and practical purposes. They are usually worn on the face, although they may also be positioned for effect elsewhere on the wearer's body, so in parts of Australasia giant totem masks cover the body, whilst Inuit women use finger masks during storytelling and dancing.

And now food for thought:
For some cultural icons, the mask is the persona and removing the mask becomes the act of concealment.

Not that this really has anything to do with the strict constructionist interpretation of the challenge.

06/02/2008 12:42:43 PM · #140

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by kiwiness:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by kiwiness:
I've worn a hat on other parts of my body than on my head :) A mask doesn't necessarily have to be worn on the face either.....

Challenge Description (excerpt): "Find or create a mask, and photograph someone wearing it this week."

HawkeyeLonewolf may be a bit extreme in his pursuit of this topic, but he's not so far off the mark IMO. There are quite a few "pretty pictures" in the challenge that have nothing to do with a person "wearing it" (on any part of their body).

Voters should be able to go into the voting and vote the way they see fit. But writing lists in a forum thread of exactly how many photos display this and display that, is just a way of getting voters to look for those specific photos and vote them lower. That is totally unfair. That is voting manipulation in my opinion. Many reading this thread will see these lists after they have voted and go back and change their votes because they think "oh, maybe he is right there".

I hear you. I used to get worked up about these kind of threads and "voter manipulation"...don't bother me so much anymore. I'll agree that creating a "list" is likely not appropriate. Hmmm...considering that we're solidly into spring...I'm surprised to have not seen more "flower/butterfly, etc..." bashing. :-)

These threads don't really bother me either, actually they make me laugh. And you and I have been here for a long time have learnt live with them. But all the newer dpc'ers take them quite seriously.

06/02/2008 12:45:21 PM · #141

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

I'm one person with one vote.

You may have one vote, but you also have one voice, which at the moment is trying to manipulate other voters into how they should vote

RKT

Sigma 85mm f/1.4 for Canon

06/02/2008 12:47:29 PM · #142

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

But again, I don't see why everyone is so worked up. I'm one person with one vote.

...then hush up and stop poking the bees already. You're the one who started this thread in the first place.

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06/02/2008 12:51:31 PM · #143

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littlegett

Canon EOS-20D

06/02/2008 12:56:13 PM · #144

I have a question for you HawkeyeLonewolf.

Masks

Click the link, it is to a picture of three masks.

Now two of the masks shown in the image (none of which are in challenge that I am aware of I googled for them) are clearly shown with 'handles'. In other words these masks are 'worn' by 'someone' by holding the mask in front of their face.

So in your opinion, is this type of mask subject to a DMNC because the 'someone' is holding the mask and not 'wearing' it, or is it within challenge description because the mask is being used as intended?

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06/02/2008 01:11:24 PM · #145

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Moose408

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

06/02/2008 01:25:14 PM · #146

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Just kidding. That would be how it is "worn", but the challenge terms also indicate masks cover a person's face. So if held in front of the face to cover the face, I guess so. Actually, thanks, I may be able to un-DNMC a couple.

Again, the challenge terms state that the "type" of mask is the kind that is worn on a face. It does not state that it must be cover the face only that it be worn.

If you are going to interpret the challenge terms so literally you should at least get it right. :)

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06/02/2008 01:29:43 PM · #147

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

But again, I don't see why everyone is so worked up. I'm one person with one vote.

ummmm because before this came up in this thread my image was a 6.3 and now its a 4.8?

dsa157

Canon EOS-50D

06/02/2008 01:30:46 PM · #148

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

But no, DNMC on a clearly defined challenge rates a one. Period. In this challenge "MASK" is subjective (open to interpretation) to me, WEARING and SOMEONE are objective (not open to interpretation). To me if it does not meet the challenge, it deserves a 0, but we cannot vote that, so I reserve 1 for those and then use 2-10 for the rest of the images that did try and meet the terms of the challenge.

Well we certainly are all free to vote however we want on the site. As long as people are consistent it really doesn't matter. I personally have a very low average vote given out - some people might take offense at that, I prefer to think I just have high standards. :)

Usually, however, I vote low on poorly executed technical aspects of the image but will still try to give a point or 2 bump when I see a photographer that went beyond a literal interpretation of a challenge.

You, Hawkeye, are in my opinion, a talented photographer, both technically and artistically. You have an eye for color and composition, but creativity as well - I really like, for example, your profile picture of the penny on the tracks. When I first saw that, it made me smile, as it is a very emotive shot without any people or trains being present in the frame. I still see a father and son (OK, me and my son...) anxiously waiting for the train to come along and squash our penny flat after which we'd pick up the warm copper piece and see if we could still make out any of the engravings. It tells a great story.

Wouldn't it be a shame if this was a "train" challenge and someone suggested that this DNMC because no train was in the frame?

We do ourselves a disservice if we do not consider the stories in the photos. Use the challenge descriptions as guidelines and open your mind to new perspectives. Never mind the challenges or scores, just see how doing so improves your own photography and appreciation of art in general.

Dave

06/02/2008 01:34:14 PM · #149

Originally posted by Patrick_R:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But again, I don't see why everyone is so worked up. I'm one person with one vote.

ummmm because before this came up in this thread my image was a 6.3 and now its a 4.8?

Do you think you failed to meet the challenge as defined? If you did then why blame this thread?