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05/30/2008 05:33:36 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by karmat:
It was NOT RoseShewho, believe it or not. :) |
Well thanks for sucking all the wind out of my Friday fun. :(
Still, I'd like to invoke the FOIA and ask who it was then? I understand if you won't say, but then I'll just come back with a warrant... :) edit: OR wild and rampant speculation.
Message edited by author 2008-05-30 17:34:17. |
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05/30/2008 05:36:26 PM · #27 |
Dear  Rob_Smith, don't change a thing! Only when you expect a "modicum" of anything, just expand it. Both ways. (I am always disappointed by dumbed down titles, but I have begun to expect them; on the other hand there will usually be at least one person who will cotton on to the remotest of allusions). Wasn't it Gertrude Stein who said a camera is a camera is a camera? |
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05/30/2008 05:47:36 PM · #28 |
| I am just going to start calling all of my photos "Expression of (challenge name here)". Then I should be good to go. |
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05/30/2008 06:10:30 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I am just going to start calling all of my photos "Expression of (challenge name here)". Then I should be good to go. |
Unless that makes it a shoehorn entry. ;oP |
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05/30/2008 06:23:01 PM · #30 |
I suggest a title change to this thread because it has nothing to do with 'Commenter's Knowledge' and more to do with why a particular image received a single comment, or how they where within challenge parameters and felt cheated?
Anyway, to the OP, I gave this image a very very VERY Generous 5 because it was outside of the box. Though overall the image is rather bland and boring. If there was a lot more to it, with advanced editing the opportunity is there to really make something fantastic, but there wasn't. It was just a snapshot of some CCTV cameras. Out of the box yes, interesting, no.
So what does this have to do with knowledge? Nothing, its personal opinion.
So with your thread title, tell us what you are really thinking.
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05/30/2008 06:57:02 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I am just going to start calling all of my photos "Expression of (challenge name here)". Then I should be good to go. |
Unless that makes it a shoehorn entry. ;oP |
Expression of Shoehorn |
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05/31/2008 03:30:05 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
I suggest a title change to this thread because it has nothing to do with 'Commenter's Knowledge' and more to do with why a particular image received a single comment, or how they where within challenge parameters and felt cheated?
Anyway, to the OP, I gave this image a very very VERY Generous 5 because it was outside of the box. Though overall the image is rather bland and boring. If there was a lot more to it, with advanced editing the opportunity is there to really make something fantastic, but there wasn't. It was just a snapshot of some CCTV cameras. Out of the box yes, interesting, no.
So what does this have to do with knowledge? Nothing, its personal opinion.
So with your thread title, tell us what you are really thinking. |
Whatever. I don't feel cheated so please stop putting words in my mouth. My original post was purely about why someone said this isn't a camera, it is, end of.
Can everyone please get away from the fact I have never mentioned the score, or complained about it, the thread is about whether people commenting on photos should do a little research into what they are looking at, or apply some common sense. Would everyone have the same issues if someone had commented on an old pinhole camera, and said, "well that's not a camera is it" just 'cos they hadn't seen one before.
And thanks to all who have agreed with me so far.
Now to comment on my specific image, to me it's a powerful image, especially due to our CCTV society in the UK, we are being watched all the time and I planned a shot to reflect this, it certainly wasn't a snapshot. But this is a voting site and I accept everyone else's opinions as valid, as long as they acknowledge what the subject is.
cheers
Rob |
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05/31/2008 03:49:20 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by rob_smith:
Originally posted by littlegett:
I suggest a title change to this thread because it has nothing to do with 'Commenter's Knowledge' and more to do with why a particular image received a single comment, or how they where within challenge parameters and felt cheated? |
Whatever. I don't feel cheated so please stop putting words in my mouth. My original post was purely about why someone said this isn't a camera, it is, end of.
Can everyone please get away from the fact I have never mentioned the score, or complained about it, the thread is about whether people commenting on photos should do a little research into what they are looking at, or apply some common sense. Would everyone have the same issues if someone had commented on an old pinhole camera, and said, "well that's not a camera is it" just 'cos they hadn't seen one before.
And thanks to all who have agreed with me so far.
Now to comment on my specific image, to me it's a powerful image, especially due to our CCTV society in the UK, we are being watched all the time and I planned a shot to reflect this, it certainly wasn't a snapshot. But this is a voting site and I accept everyone else's opinions as valid, as long as they acknowledge what the subject is.
cheers
Rob |
I put no words into your mouth, as I did ask in question form and not statement.
But seriously, You expect everyone 'not in the know' to go and research every state every country every city every everything in the world and more simply to understand an image posted on a website? Seriously now, you talk about having common sense, yet you seem to have none of your own in my opinion.
So you have some special meaning to your image, some special 'big brother is watching you in the UK' meaning. How is anyone suppose to get that meaning who A. doesn't live in the UK, B. Doesn't live in the UK, C. Doesn't live in the UK. I am thinking though, there are most likely several people in the UK who would not 'get' your image.
So I would have to say you completely failed in your mission to 'reflect on how people in the UK are always watched'.
Lastly, the subject isn't always as clear as to be able to 'acknowledge' it exactly as the artist does or intended it. That is why they say art is 'Subjective' and that there is a little thing called 'Interpretation'. Though without stating the obvious there is a little matter of people being different, thinking different coming from different places and are flat out different.
So tell me, is this thread really about 'commenter's knowledge' as a whole or just about one single comment you received on one single image that you did not agree with?
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05/31/2008 05:34:25 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by karmat:
It was NOT RoseShewho, believe it or not. :) |
'Twas Amy, I'll bet the farm on it :) (Safe either way because I don't own a farm.)
She'd kind of reminded me of her, then when she came in saying her acct was closed, must be a mistake, I knewwwww...... |
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05/31/2008 08:54:42 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by rob_smith:
Originally posted by littlegett:
I suggest a title change to this thread because it has nothing to do with 'Commenter's Knowledge' and more to do with why a particular image received a single comment, or how they where within challenge parameters and felt cheated? |
Whatever. I don't feel cheated so please stop putting words in my mouth. My original post was purely about why someone said this isn't a camera, it is, end of.
Can everyone please get away from the fact I have never mentioned the score, or complained about it, the thread is about whether people commenting on photos should do a little research into what they are looking at, or apply some common sense. Would everyone have the same issues if someone had commented on an old pinhole camera, and said, "well that's not a camera is it" just 'cos they hadn't seen one before.
And thanks to all who have agreed with me so far.
Now to comment on my specific image, to me it's a powerful image, especially due to our CCTV society in the UK, we are being watched all the time and I planned a shot to reflect this, it certainly wasn't a snapshot. But this is a voting site and I accept everyone else's opinions as valid, as long as they acknowledge what the subject is.
cheers
Rob |
I put no words into your mouth, as I did ask in question form and not statement.
But seriously, You expect everyone 'not in the know' to go and research every state every country every city every everything in the world and more simply to understand an image posted on a website? Seriously now, you talk about having common sense, yet you seem to have none of your own in my opinion.
So you have some special meaning to your image, some special 'big brother is watching you in the UK' meaning. How is anyone suppose to get that meaning who A. doesn't live in the UK, B. Doesn't live in the UK, C. Doesn't live in the UK. I am thinking though, there are most likely several people in the UK who would not 'get' your image.
So I would have to say you completely failed in your mission to 'reflect on how people in the UK are always watched'.
Lastly, the subject isn't always as clear as to be able to 'acknowledge' it exactly as the artist does or intended it. That is why they say art is 'Subjective' and that there is a little thing called 'Interpretation'. Though without stating the obvious there is a little matter of people being different, thinking different coming from different places and are flat out different.
So tell me, is this thread really about 'commenter's knowledge' as a whole or just about one single comment you received on one single image that you did not agree with? |
Get over yourself Andy, who put you in charge?
You keep completely missing the point, it's a camera, that's it. I don't care if anyone either likes the shot or doesn't, or gets the meaning of the shot, or doesn't, it's still a camera. There's nothing subjective about it. This thread started off as a relatively light-hearted tongue in cheek discussion...
Now get off your high horse and go and pick on another thread. |
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05/31/2008 09:15:46 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by rob_smith:
... this is a voting site and I accept everyone else's opinions as valid, as long as they acknowledge what the subject is. |
However, if that "opinion" is that the subject isn't a "camera" as they see it as an individual, then the "opinion" doesn't count - right?
That's the inherit danger in submitting something to a challenge that's on the fringe or out of the box a little - not everyone is going to see it the same way you do. |
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05/31/2008 10:21:15 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I am just going to start calling all of my photos "Expression of (challenge name here)". Then I should be good to go. |
Unless that makes it a shoehorn entry. ;oP |
Expression of Shoehorn |
I thought Shoehorn was a type of cattle.
Great leather.
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05/31/2008 10:22:15 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by rob_smith:
... this is a voting site and I accept everyone else's opinions as valid, as long as they acknowledge what the subject is. |
However, if that "opinion" is that the subject isn't a "camera" as they see it as an individual, then the "opinion" doesn't count - right?
That's the inherit danger in submitting something to a challenge that's on the fringe or out of the box a little - not everyone is going to see it the same way you do. |
Yeah, but it this case it was not out of the box.
It WAS AND IS a Camera.
That said, we should never test the ignorance of the voters. We got Bill Clinton twice that way.
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05/31/2008 10:39:52 AM · #39 |
| I know which one is your image(at least I have an 85% chance I think it is yours, and I'll fess up my comment says "I dont konw what this is and I've looked at it from different angles" -- which is 100% true, I did spend time looking at it, tilting my head, crossing my eyes, and couldn't figure out what it was or what part of a boat it is. however, the title does not say anything about whats in the image so that didn't help either. I didn't vote on this challenge because it wont' let me I guess I need to be a paying member, but right now I cant even afford to go to work. |
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05/31/2008 11:25:52 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by rob_smith:
Get over yourself Andy, who put you in charge?
You keep completely missing the point, it's a camera, that's it. I don't care if anyone either likes the shot or doesn't, or gets the meaning of the shot, or doesn't, it's still a camera. There's nothing subjective about it. This thread started off as a relatively light-hearted tongue in cheek discussion...
Now get off your high horse and go and pick on another thread. |
No one put me in charge and I refuse to take the roll.
I am not missing the point at all. There is a world of subjectivity behind the shot. As someone stated earlier, this is a 'still' photography website. The difference between still and moving picture is where the subjectivity lays within the individual voters mind. A camera it may be but not the type of camera the voter may interpret to be the correct camera. Though it states 'any' camera for the challenge itself, it is still subjected to the personal bias and opinion of the individual viewer.
So, by calling the commenter ignorant you really opened up a can of worms onto yourself.
However, I have to say, there is no soapbox nor horse strong enough to hold me so there is no getting off one. I also will not stand idly by while someone insults my intelligent because I do not share their same view.
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05/31/2008 03:07:57 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by rob_smith:
Get over yourself Andy, who put you in charge?
You keep completely missing the point, it's a camera, that's it. I don't care if anyone either likes the shot or doesn't, or gets the meaning of the shot, or doesn't, it's still a camera. There's nothing subjective about it. This thread started off as a relatively light-hearted tongue in cheek discussion...
Now get off your high horse and go and pick on another thread. |
No one put me in charge and I refuse to take the roll.
I am not missing the point at all. There is a world of subjectivity behind the shot. As someone stated earlier, this is a 'still' photography website. The difference between still and moving picture is where the subjectivity lays within the individual voters mind. A camera it may be but not the type of camera the voter may interpret to be the correct camera. Though it states 'any' camera for the challenge itself, it is still subjected to the personal bias and opinion of the individual viewer.
So, by calling the commenter ignorant you really opened up a can of worms onto yourself.
However, I have to say, there is no soapbox nor horse strong enough to hold me so there is no getting off one. I also will not stand idly by while someone insults my intelligent because I do not share their same view. |
Sorry, but you're 100% wrong here. The challenge WAS camera (and they clarified ANY camera). There was no subjectivity -- it's either a camera or it is not a camera. The OP's photo WAS CLEARLY A CAMERA. Anyone who DNMCed it saying there was no camera was a complete ignoramous, no questions asked.
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05/31/2008 03:21:06 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by karmat:
It was NOT RoseShewho, believe it or not. :) |
Ohhhhhh you little tease...Amy clues (nb the typo was a typo but it made me laugh!) |
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05/31/2008 03:24:46 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Sorry, but you're 100% wrong here. The challenge WAS camera (and they clarified ANY camera). There was no subjectivity -- it's either a camera or it is not a camera. The OP's photo WAS CLEARLY A CAMERA. Anyone who DNMCed it saying there was no camera was a complete ignoramous, no questions asked. |
what says you says you and only you.
ignorance is bliss...
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05/31/2008 03:29:27 PM · #44 |
Thanks Kevin, I needed that.
Sugarpie it wasn't your comment so no worries!
: )
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05/31/2008 03:36:32 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by rob_smith:
I expect general common sense and a modicum of intelligence... |
Now you got me wondering about your intelligence. :P |
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05/31/2008 04:15:31 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
... It WAS AND IS a Camera. ... |
Yep, a video camera. :-P |
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05/31/2008 04:18:51 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
... It WAS AND IS a Camera. ... |
Yep, a video camera. :-P |
As a oppose to a DSLR camera or a point and shoot camera, a pinhole camera, a large format camera, etc? :P
Message edited by author 2008-05-31 16:19:42. |
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05/31/2008 04:20:07 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
... It WAS AND IS a Camera. ... |
Yep, a video camera. :-P |
As a oppose to a DSLR camera or a point and shoot camera, a pinhole camera, etc? :P |
Exactly! :-D |
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05/31/2008 04:23:19 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
... It WAS AND IS a Camera. ... |
Yep, a video camera. :-P |
I think you underlined the wrong word.... |
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05/31/2008 04:28:10 PM · #50 |
A video camera is just a digital camera with a reasonable frames/sec rate, and low resolution. A camera is a camera. Maybe the commenter thought that those were weather monitors or something.
George Orwell was right, but a few years off with his predictions in "1984"
Wiki "1984"
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