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05/15/2008 12:28:45 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Header is not even centered and the font suffers from major jagged edges. The sub titles have a background to them that doesn't even match the site's colour theme. This is a 200 dollar job, at the most. Yes, he got ripped off. |
Its funny (in a sad way) that the banner that reads "PROFESSIONAL VIDEO EDITING" doesn't have antialiasing applied to it. The alt tags for the image are absolutely useless and some are default out of the box. (Unless "Lorem Ipsum" has something to do with Apple's Final Cut Studio that is not immediately apparent to me).
The images are dinky and are scaled and it shows.
e.g //www.sportsvideosolutions.net/images/5.jpg on the about page.
At first I was going to say cut the guy some slack but for a thousand dollars your friend could have bought the design software that was used and do it himself. |
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05/15/2008 12:37:21 AM · #27 |
Wait wait wait...this is funny
Um...yeah. As if I am going to search the internet for "key" or "words" when looking for someone to do my video editing.
Message edited by author 2008-05-15 00:37:34.
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05/15/2008 12:37:23 AM · #28 |
so should i tell him or not?
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05/15/2008 12:46:19 AM · #29 |
I'd maybe provide him with example of good websites. Just doing a ten second google on "Video Editing Services" yielded:
//www.veslex.com/
//www.azureproduction.com/
Neither of them are anything fancy but they get the message across cleanly and professionally.
//www.cssbeauty.com is a site I often use for inspiration in general. It showcases uses of Cascading style sheets and there are some exceptional websites cataloged.
In any event, seeing what he has and seeing what he could have might wake him up gently.
Message edited by author 2008-05-15 00:47:38.
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05/15/2008 02:23:38 AM · #30 |
I just searched "fingerprint webworks"....their own site is "under active development"
(aka nothing there) and the only other find is someone calling them a fraud :( |
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05/15/2008 02:31:40 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Actually, I think he got what he paid for. Professional web design is not cheap. He paid very little, and the results seem to reflect that. |
Ditto. This always cracks me up. If we were talking about photography, most people here would say exactly what Louis said.
This cracks me up as well: "I do web design as a hobby and I would have done better for less" (paraphrasing) - Well, I do photography as a hobby and I may or may not charge less than a pro photographer and I may or may not do better than any given pro, but as far as "ripping someone off" - bullshit. It is a transaction between two adults. The purchaser has the responsibility to understand what he is purchasing and understand the level of competence and quality of the service provider and check references and then enters into an agreement and as long as the provider did not lie about what would be provided and then did provide everything they said they would - NOBODY got ripped off.
If you want to tell your brother he made a bad decision, what purpose would that serve? It is not likely he is going to get the provider to redo it or refund anything. You are only going to make your brother feel like a schmuck. You could simply tell him at some point down the road maybe while discussing his site that you know some people (get their names from this thread) who can do a fantastic job for half of what he paid the first time around.
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05/15/2008 03:06:36 AM · #32 |
Art i would agree with you if the site had any back end at all. The truth is someone doing it for a living is going to charge accordingly and no matter how simple the site may be there is a minimum they set. Its more the fault of the site owner for not researching more options. This site in example is just too easy, at the same time if it is what he asked for then maybe he should have asked for more. Id hope for atleast the ability to log into a dynamic interface to update content using a page template based site.
I will on that note come out of "retirement" and start doing sites like that for 1000 dollars a pop. I am unemployed so any takers?
Then again a guy with a spare hour and some asp experience created a site as simple as whatismyip.com and then sold it on ebay for like 380,000 dollars.
Message edited by author 2008-05-15 03:09:52. |
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05/15/2008 03:11:17 AM · #33 |
Ya know Art, I respect the hell outa ya, but I think you are off base, or at least an unfair assessment of some of the comments.
From where I stand I said I could do better for less money. I am not a pro, or an am, or even a Hobbyist, I hate website coding and don't even like to do it for my own sites. Though I do it and I know enough to make me dangerous.
From what I saw of the OP link site was that it was an extremely basic build, very simple with out any bells and whistles. Also, I noticed that (as others did) the pixelation in the fonts on the banner and such. Also, I wanted to click the text in the banner to get me other locations and that was a no go.
I could throw something like that together within one day.
So I will stay with my original statement that I could do better and for less money and do I think the friend got ripped off? I believe the friend did not do their research. Nuff said.
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05/15/2008 05:34:08 AM · #34 |
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05/15/2008 07:12:56 AM · #35 |
For the record, I was not responding to the features or quality of the site - I was responding to the use of the term "ripped off". If an adult person agrees to a price and the quality of the service is not misrepresented, there was no rip off. There was only lack of due diligence on the part of the buyer.
Again, using photography as an example, if I was asked to shoot a wedding and I said "that will be $25,000" and I showed them my DPC portfolio and maybe even some of the great comments I've received and told them exactly what I would deliver in terms of print sizes and quantities and they agreed to it, they could not claim they got "ripped off" when I deliver the agreed amount of photos and the quality is consistent with what I "advertised" via my portfolio. No misrepresentation. Could they have gotten them for less? Duh. Is it my responsibility to tell them that the price I quoted is maybe 5x the normal rate? No - that is the price it takes to get *me* to shoot a wedding. Is it my responsibility to tell them I have never shot a wedding? No. Was it their responsibility to ask? Hell yes. Should I be able to make a living doing this? I think so. Could I actually make a living doing this? Hmmmmmm.... :)
That's my opinion anyway. I hate the victim mentality. |
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05/15/2008 07:29:39 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Actually, I think he got what he paid for. Professional web design is not cheap. He paid very little, and the results seem to reflect that. |
I'd have to agree. I own a multimedia design company and there is no way we would accept a contract for anywhere near taht amount of money.
You get what you pay for.
Saying that though, he should have at least resized the images properly and anti-alised them.
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05/15/2008 08:01:02 AM · #37 |
Does this template look familiar... he he he
//www.opendesigns.org/preview/?template=146
The css has the text "Template003 - collin grasley 2006"
Which with a quick search I was able to find this template.
What a rip off...
Neon.
Message edited by author 2008-05-15 08:01:59. |
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05/15/2008 11:04:59 AM · #38 |
| so what youre saying is, he could have gotten that template for free... and did it himself...WOW |
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05/15/2008 11:07:23 AM · #39 |
LMAO. That's just wrong... Can you show all this to your friend and see if he can get his money back???
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05/15/2008 11:20:13 AM · #40 |
You have to differentiate between just throwing up a site, and developing a website. Its comparible to the difference between the snapshot "Aunt Mary" takes with her P&S and a professional photoshoot. There's a lot of behind the scenes planing and setup, and after the shoot work.
Developing a website includes (not necessarily in this order):
-Understanding the customer's needs and building a marketing plan
-SEO - at least keyword research, and setting correct metatags and URL namse.
-copy writing - implement marketing plan with SEO in mind.
-web structure design
-find/build a template
-obtain pictures and process for website, develop graphic art (as opposed to template graphics)
-put it all together, and make sure all the links on the site work correctly.
-add some sort of analytics support
-test in IE, Firefox, Safari, and other browsers (they do act differently)
---repeat as customer changes mind.
Now you have to watch placement in the major search engines and in any niche search engines, and do analytics and check the various webmaster tools, etc.
$1000 is too little for the whole job, not even counting the hosting/domain/etc fees.
Plus there are some (IMO) major problems with the sportsvideosolutions.net site:
-Menu does not stand out, and other page elements overwhelm it.
-its not clear the movies are movies until you click on them (or hover over them and look at the file type)
-No hyperlinks other than the menu except the link to apple's site.
-Green capitalized text should hyperlink somewhere ("Who We Are" should link to the "about us" page, etc).
-Front page talks about who the company is, it should talk about what the customers want to buy. See //www.azureproduction.com/ for an example of a pretty good marketing message. On the site in question, can you tell if they offer videography services, or just editing services?
-Contact page has no phone number or mailing address.
-Can't tell where they are located. Some people prefer to work locally.
-uses a .net, not a .com This isn't a major issue, but if a competitor gets the .com, they may type in sportsvideosolutions.com by habit.
-needs more and better content.
I don't think your friend got what he paid for, but the site he needs will cost at least $3,000 (if he cuts corners).
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05/15/2008 11:28:33 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Jib:
so what youre saying is, he could have gotten that template for free... and did it himself...WOW |
Yes, but it seems he didn't know how. Therefore he paid someone to do it for him. He paid them for their knowledge of finding a template, downloading it, installing it, configuring it, and customizing it. He did not pay a lot, he did not get a lot.
I am in total agreement with Louis' point and Ken's point. |
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05/15/2008 11:31:51 AM · #42 |
I got a friend who ordered a website from a profesionnal firm that does quality work and the bill is around 10,000$, not 1,000. So 1,000 would have been a great price for a custom made website BUT, in this case here, the guy obviously took a free sample off the internet and just modified it a little so it's not worth 1,000 in my book but anyways... that's my take on it.
Message edited by author 2008-05-15 11:32:32. |
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05/15/2008 02:34:03 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by yann:
I got a friend who ordered a website from a profesionnal firm that does quality work and the bill is around 10,000$, not 1,000. So 1,000 would have been a great price for a custom made website BUT, in this case here, the guy obviously took a free sample off the internet and just modified it a little so it's not worth 1,000 in my book but anyways... that's my take on it. |
Yeah that's about the base price for a decent site (unless of course it's a simple static flyer site).
It should take someone roughly 1 month at 40 hours a week to perfect a site *customs design, everything from scratch*. So 40 hours x 4 weeks = 160. 160 hours x $65 an hour = $10400
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