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 11/01/2003 06:14:05 AM · #1
Hi guys!

I´m looking for a new camera, I´m thinking in Fuji S602Z. Yesterday, one salesman said to me that he prefered Fuji S5000Z than Fuji S602Z. What do you think?

Thanks in advance,
 11/01/2003 06:30:28 AM · #2
The 602 was a near top-of-the-line camera when it came out, now a bit outdated because of sensor size, but still a fine camera. The S5000 is an more recent update of a lesser model in the Fuji line, the 3800 (which I have and like). If you can wait a few weeks, check out the Fuji S7000 which is closer to being an updated model comparable to the 602. Fuji makes quality cameras.

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 06:31:49.
 11/01/2003 09:21:11 AM · #3
The S5000 is no match for the 602. It lacks features, has a lot more grain (noise) in the pics, oversharpens the images and uses too much jpeg compression when saving. It is considerably down on resolving power (shows less detail for the same file size in pixels) You get what you pay for. Basically the CCD in the S5000 sucks. Doesn't get favourable reviews at all.
To some extent the S7000 suffers from the same CCD design and firmware flaws: oversharpening, too much compression, too much noise reduction. DCresource basically gave it a thumbs down in their review.

I think the 602 has a better package. It doesn't resolve as much detail as the S7000, but when you don't print larger than A4 it will not make that much a difference. The 602 has the same sensor size as the S7000***, only Fuji crammed double the amount of photodiodes on the same area. The results are better resolution, more noise -bad-, more blooming -bad-, more CA -bad-, suffers more from diffraction (that's why they disabled the f11 aperture, the S7000 only goes to f8).
The S7000 use a huge amount of compression on anything less than the 12mp files. So you are forced to always use 12mp fine = big file sizes.

Between 602 and S5000? 602 any day. Someone who says he prefers the S5000 is out of his mind. The only advantage is the 10x zoom. But the quality is poor. Better stick a tcon17 on a 602 and you get the same reach.

*** The S5000 sensor is much smaller, just more pixels on a smaller space

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 09:22:15.
 11/01/2003 10:24:22 AM · #4
Not to mention with 5000 you're stuck with XD memory cards. With 602 you still have CF slot.
 11/01/2003 10:53:00 AM · #5
Not sure abt the bad points stated by Azrifel...but S7000 looks good to me... Super CCD HR with 12mp or effectively 6mp...min shutter being longer...without a hefty difference in price from 602
 11/01/2003 01:36:58 PM · #6
Unless you are coming from a CF camera, and I guess that a berenger is not as he lists a Sony, the xD picture card is not something you are "stuck with" but rather an advantage. It is a more modern technology and now up to 512mb. I was disappointed that Olympus didn't use xD in there new E 1 but that may have been in developement too early, or maybe this was because the E 1 is a joint project with a maker who doesn't use xD. xD is small enough that any camera larger than the most compact could have two slots.

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 13:37:45.
 11/02/2003 11:47:34 AM · #7
XD is just another proprietary card. Slower than CF, SD cards and Memory Sticks and limited to 512mb. Be cautious of new technology cause it might end up like Smart Media.
 11/02/2003 04:34:54 PM · #8
I don't know about prices in Spain, a_berenguer, but the S602Z has just come down in price in Australia, mainly because the S7000 has come out. So, here at least, you can get an S602Z for same price as S5000. And yes, looking at the two, the S602Z is much better.
 11/03/2003 11:49:32 AM · #9
xD picture card can't be called "proprietary" as it is used by at least two camera makers, Fuji and Olympus. You can't say that for Memory Stick. My experince is from using xD in my Fuji 3800 and CF in my Pro 90. xD is much faster. But this is not an emperical test, just what I have seen from using them. Can anyone offer a link to some better data? How often do you really need more than 512MB ?
 11/03/2003 12:32:17 PM · #10
Apparently xD is not limited to 512. 1 gig is "expected" by the end of this year, and is "future projected" to 8 gig. See:
Shikatronics
 11/03/2003 12:44:12 PM · #11
I'd have to agree with Azrifel. He pretty much said it all. Despite the 10X lens and cool look, the image quality of the S5000 is horrible! Even though the S7000 has more resolution, most S602 users wouldn't consider the upgrade. There's more noise, fewer aperture settings and less frames per second in burst mode. All in all I'm happy with my S602. The print quality is great @ A4 and the controls are robust enough for any photographer. The only down side is Fuji's (USA) support. Definitely not what you'd expect from a major Japanese manufacturer.

Read what the other Fuji users think at: //www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1012
 12/02/2003 10:03:36 AM · #12
this is terrible! why have you forsakened me? i have been looking forward to my s5000 arriving in the mail for weeks now! and now all this! oh god!.....

no body try to comfort me....i'll be okay....where's my rifle?

Message edited by author 2003-12-02 10:10:03.
 12/02/2003 10:54:37 AM · #13
i absolutely adore my S602. the features are great, it fits nicely in my small hands and all the function buttons are easily accessible. full manual functions plus the convenience of auto functions. a great camera at a reasonable price.
 12/02/2003 12:18:59 PM · #14
I've had my s602 for a while now and can't fault it for the money. In the right circumstances, with low iso, good light and 6mp emulation it produces outstanding results. As well as this, what I don't think anybody has mentioned is that it has a shift button that can shortcut almost every setting, making things a damn sight easier to change on the move. Roll on the 602!
 12/02/2003 12:40:16 PM · #15
Originally posted by a_berenguer:
Hi guys!

I´m looking for a new camera, I´m thinking in Fuji S602Z. Yesterday, one salesman said to me that he prefered Fuji S5000Z than Fuji S602Z. What do you think?

Thanks in advance,


Go for 602,look at the price,5000 is half a price also quality sucks,it is nothing more than 3800 with better lens!
 12/02/2003 12:41:01 PM · #16
I've had my S602 for over a year, and am extremely happy with it (despite the dust on the sensor). The only thing I want now is more optical zoom and more megapixels. I looked at the S5000, and was disappointed. I had it in my hands for only about 5 minutes and didn't like the way it felt (it felt like a cheap plastic camera). On a brief exploration of the features I quickly decided that the S5000 wasn't a suitable upgrade for me. Just my 2 cents.
 12/02/2003 02:02:37 PM · #17
One thing to bear in mind, the 602 will not, I am told by fuji take CF type 1 flash cards. I currently use the smartmedia.I am only a novice but it is a great camera.
 12/02/2003 02:10:45 PM · #18
Get the 602 - its a wonderful camera. You should be able to pick one up for a bargain when the 7000 hits the streets.
 12/02/2003 02:15:24 PM · #19
Originally posted by peecee:
One thing to bear in mind, the 602 will not, I am told by fuji take CF type 1 flash cards. I currently use the smartmedia.I am only a novice but it is a great camera.


The 602 takes type I and type II CF cards.
 12/02/2003 02:27:31 PM · #20
Hi,
This is the email from fuji UK received today.
The following response has been made:


Thank-you for your enquiry. The FinePix S602 Zoom digital camera does not accept Type 1 Compact Flash cards. Type 1 cards are slightly different in size from Type 2 cards and have a write speed of x8 as opposed to Type 2 cards which are x20 speed. We recommend that you use Type 2 x20 speed Compact Flash cards with the S602. You can purchase Fuji Compact Flash cards for your camera by calling our spares department on 01234 245219.

12/02/2003 04:44:37 PM · #21
the 602 is a great camera. the 7000 is the newest model. aside from a new sensor, there's not much different. you'll get a great deal on the 602 now that the 7000's are out.

as for the compactflash, it'll take type I and II according to fuji.
12/02/2003 04:54:28 PM · #22
Pardon my ignorance,is anyone actually using flash type 1 in their 602z
I ask because I am considering purchasing fash type 1.As most of the replies here contradict what fuji have told me today, (see previous thread) I need to know for sure,
 12/02/2003 05:17:50 PM · #23
It will take CF1. I don't know what that helpdesk is thinking when they say that the type of CF has any relation to speed. There is 40x CF1 available as well, but in reality it doesn't matter too much as long as you don't want to make continous video (you'll need fast CF 1 or 2 20x+)

Here is a page with a test of smartmedia vs CF1 vs CF2 in the S602Z:
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis602z/page9.asp

Bottomline: It does take CF1.

No, I don't have it, because I prefer Microdrives from a perfomance/size/price perspective and Microdrives are CF2 sized.

Here are some performance tests:
//www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/

Message edited by author 2003-12-02 17:20:52.
 12/02/2003 05:33:46 PM · #24
Thanks Sander,
Your reply is extremely helpful,
Paul.
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