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10/30/2003 11:31:24 AM · #1 |
Hey all, I have found that if I don't spend at least 30 seconds evaluating a photo I am missing something. With that 30 seconds comes the initial assumption that the images communicated by the photographer are choices she/he made and not mistakes.
This opens up whole new worlds when viewing photos! It is really enjoyable looking for the choices that succeeded.
I am therefore starting (informally, of course) the 30 Second Club! As founding member, here are some guidelines for those who wish to join me:
1. Try to study photos you vote upon for at least 30 seconds (the number of images you do this to is up to you, but I would hope it is a lot)
2. Look for the good instead of for flaws. Some so-called flaws are actually choices made by the photographer that enhance the photo--if you just look at the overall communication of the shot.
That's all. Maybe I'm up in the night and everyone here already spends 30 seconds on each photo, but I don't think so.
I'd love it if my club had more than one person in it! Who's with me?
Message edited by author 2003-10-30 11:32:18.
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10/30/2003 11:34:06 AM · #2 |
30 seconds! Pffft! I can beat that score, just ask my woman! Just the other night after having a few too many...
wait... huh... oh you mean... wait a minute... please disregard the above premature statement.
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10/30/2003 11:40:39 AM · #3 |
This is actually a great idea since the CC seems to be on the outs these days.
Even though I'm fairly new here...I'm with ya.
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10/30/2003 11:40:50 AM · #4 |
Hey, my EX-husband belonged to that club.
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10/30/2003 11:49:22 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Hey all, I have found that if I don't spend at least 30 seconds evaluating a photo I am missing something. With that 30 seconds comes the initial assumption that the images communicated by the photographer are choices she/he made and not mistakes.
This opens up whole new worlds when viewing photos! It is really enjoyable looking for the choices that succeeded.
I am therefore starting (informally, of course) the 30 Second Club! As founding member, here are some guidelines for those who wish to join me:
1. Try to study photos you vote upon for at least 30 seconds (the number of images you do this to is up to you, but I would hope it is a lot)
2. Look for the good instead of for flaws. Some so-called flaws are actually choices made by the photographer that enhance the photo--if you just look at the overall communication of the shot.
That's all. Maybe I'm up in the night and everyone here already spends 30 seconds on each photo, but I don't think so.
I'd love it if my club had more than one person in it! Who's with me? |
I think that this is a beautiful idea and wish to join! I've seen other threads that say you need to look longer at a photo and get the impression that they mean 'study' every shot! Thirty seconds however is long enough to get over the first impression! This gives you the time to get over the 'snapshot' affect and really look at a shot you might otherwise gloss over. It also gives you the opportunity to get over the 'wow' factor that some shots have and get beyond the 'fluff' (for lack of a better term) to the actual content of the shot!
I also have fallen into another pattern I think might be usefull for some voters/commentors. On some shots I simply cannot vote/comment after a single viewing! At first I would put a comment like "I like/dislike this shot but need to quantify my feelings about it before I can leave a real comment" but was afraid that I would forget and have the shot permanently tatooed with this comment! Now I simply make a mental note about the shot and go back the last day of voting when I am no longer rushed and take whatever time needed to make a meaningful comment/vote on the photo!
Anyways I guess what I'm trying to say is how do I get a membership card?
Thank you for a very meaningful post! It is refreshing after some of the 'whining/complaining/why does my photo suck' threads that have seem to become mainstream over the last couple of weeks!
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10/30/2003 11:52:01 AM · #6 |
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10/30/2003 12:02:00 PM · #7 |
| I think this is a wonderful idea, but I see an immediate flaw. There are loads of pictures that just don't stand up well to a 30 second viewing. I'm thinking of badly taken snapshots. Often when I am voting on a challenge, I can spend well over a minute looking at individual photos. I think what we need is something in the middle. When you first look at a picture, ask yourself honestly if it is worth more than a second glance. Keep looking at it, until you feel you have gone as deep as you can. Sometimes this will be half a second, sometimes 2 minutes. |
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10/30/2003 12:27:03 PM · #8 |
| sometimes if I want to wait before I vote on an image I hit the back button, revote the previous one, and then get a different random image. The one(s) I have skipped will be left when I have voted all others and they usually get more time then. |
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10/30/2003 12:27:24 PM · #9 |
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10/30/2003 01:23:02 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I think this is a wonderful idea, but I see an immediate flaw. There are loads of pictures that just don't stand up well to a 30 second viewing. I'm thinking of badly taken snapshots. Often when I am voting on a challenge, I can spend well over a minute looking at individual photos. I think what we need is something in the middle. When you first look at a picture, ask yourself honestly if it is worth more than a second glance. Keep looking at it, until you feel you have gone as deep as you can. Sometimes this will be half a second, sometimes 2 minutes. |
I think the point is to get past the first impression, dismissing any shot that doesn't grab your fancy right up front as a snapshot, and moving on. Following David's idea, these are the shots you would make an extra effort to give a longer look. Consider what effort the photographer might have been making beyond simply snapping a quick picture. If, after 30 seconds, you still don't see anything that raises it above snapshot status, the so be it - at least you gave it a fair viewing.
Personally, while I don't have a hard rule, and don't keep a stopwatch handy, I probably spend more time on pictures I give scores under 5 than on those I give over 5. I pretty much always give it an extra long look as my mouse hovers over the score, looking for some reason to give it an extra boost. So I tend to get a little put off when people complain that they're picture is doing poorly and it must be because nobody's taking the time to really look at it. If I scored it low, I probably took more time than the ones I really liked and scored high. But, maybe your post points out that perhaps the majority really does give lower-scoring shots the blow off. |
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10/30/2003 01:35:35 PM · #11 |
would it be possible to actually have the 30 second club as an option in your profile, and by having it switched on it would not allow you to place your vote or skip to the next photo until a 30 second timer counted down?
my knowledge of html is very limited so i have to ask if this is possible.
then i have to ask if it would be desireable for other members... |
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10/30/2003 04:28:30 PM · #12 |
I'm in!
I try to be fair. I give all photos a fair shake and rate them on technical merits even if I dislike the subject matter and really really want to score it low.
I'm not sure what to do about trying to spend that much time on 300+ photos though. It seems unfair to just vote on the 20%. I rated all in the last challenge but didn't have time to leave comments on even one. |
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10/30/2003 06:24:23 PM · #13 |
second 1: aaaaarh.. another picture to vote
second 2: it's boring
second 3: ok, i'm waching it
second 5: yawn
second 10: hmm.. i didn't notice that little detail before..
second 15: neeh, still boring
second 16: ok, i'm wasching the last 14 seconds
second 21: actually... the composition is interesting
second 22: there is something..
second 23: something..
second 27: WOW.. now i get it!!
second 28: it's not boring at all
second 29: nice work by the author
second 30: 10!
in other words: count me in too! :) |
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10/30/2003 09:28:53 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
sometimes if I want to wait before I vote on an image I hit the back button, revote the previous one, and then get a different random image. The one(s) I have skipped will be left when I have voted all others and they usually get more time then. |
It is a little easier to click the ">>" to the right of the 10 to get the next one. The one you skipped will eventually appear again. I do this occasionally too. |
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10/30/2003 10:26:06 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
I probably spend more time on pictures I give scores under 5 than on those I give over 5. |
I'm with you there, Scott. I feel guilty in dishing out lower than 5 scores haphazardly.
However, the converse is often the same; some shots which instantly wow often become bland on repeated viewings. Truly great shots hold their interest.
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10/30/2003 10:48:09 PM · #16 |
I'm with you! I like it.
Ursula
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10/30/2003 10:58:48 PM · #17 |
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