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10/29/2003 07:50:07 AM · #1 |
I won't say where because it is my shadows II entry here, but as I've been saying for a while, dpc seems to be the one place that consistently tells me I suck. The same photo, done within the restrictive rules of dpc, is now a featured photo on another site where it has scored consistently well and gotten many positive and constructive comments. It is also displayed on another site where there is no ranking, but it has received 16 comments since I posted it...all positive and constructive.
Just thought I'd post this for those other photographers here who are disheartened by the voting here. DPC isn't the end all and be all and sometimes the voters aren't right.
Sorry for the early morning kvetch.
Shari
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10/29/2003 07:58:02 AM · #2 |
Well it will score accordingly to the voters, here on DPC we are lucky enough to have many many great photographers, and as a direct result, many many great photographs.
Posting your image on a lesser site with easier-to-please-viewers will get you more positive feedback, posting on a better site with a better class of photographers and photos will score you even less, with less positive feedback and more negative quotes.
All swings and roundabouts I am afriad.
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10/29/2003 08:01:00 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Well it will score accordingly to the voters, here on DPC we are lucky enough to have many many great photographers, and as a direct result, many many great photographs.
Posting your image on a lesser site with easier-to-please-viewers will get you more positive feedback, posting on a better site with a better class of photographers and photos will score you even less, with less positive feedback and more negative quotes.
All swings and roundabouts I am afriad. |
I didn't mention the site name, what makes you think it is a "lesser site?" As a matter of fact, the site on which it is featured is one with photographers I admire, as well as many other DPC photographers. It is a well-respected photography site. It's pretty bold and extremely rude of you to assume that because I want to point out that the voters here often pan good shots that I am taking the supporting data for that statement from a "lesser site."
Message edited by author 2003-10-29 08:04:33.
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10/29/2003 08:10:14 AM · #4 |
What's the site you're talking about Shari?
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10/29/2003 08:11:02 AM · #5 |
Alas, it's true, Shari. Most DPC voters will look at your photo for about 2 seconds, especially with over 100 or even 300 entries in a challenge, so on this site, a photo must have instant impact. Other sites give others time to comment and even encourage it, while this is a contest and, by its volume, discourages commenting (in a way).
It is good to remember that there are many masterful shots and many quality photographers here--even if ribbons are elusive.
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10/29/2003 08:21:24 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Alas, it's true, Shari. Most DPC voters will look at your photo for about 2 seconds, especially with over 100 or even 300 entries in a challenge, so on this site, a photo must have instant impact. Other sites give others time to comment and even encourage it, while this is a contest and, by its volume, discourages commenting (in a way).
It is good to remember that there are many masterful shots and many quality photographers here--even if ribbons are elusive. |
Thanks dsidwell (I want to say David, but cannot definitively remember if that is indeed your name :-D). I appreciate your support and I've always been a fan of your photography.
Shari
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10/29/2003 08:22:15 AM · #7 |
Perhaps your missing the point of the challenge, perhaps your image is the greatest image on earth and thus the 'greatest sites' are giving you loads of positives.
But maybe it just doesn't meet the 'shadow' challenge.
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10/29/2003 08:25:29 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Perhaps your missing the point of the challenge, perhaps your image is the greatest image on earth and thus the 'greatest sites' are giving you loads of positives.
But maybe it just doesn't meet the 'shadow' challenge. |
No, I couldn't possibly be right, could I. I don't know for sure why you are taking such a confrontational approach to my posting, but I will simply say, you are wrong. The shot is definitely "the use of light to create shadows." In fact, many of the comments made on the shot comment directly on the interest created by the shadows.
As for your derrogatory comments on the type of site, you may want to hold off on those. There are a lot of respected photographers HERE who enjoy posting on this site and are often featured on it as well. This is only my second featured photo there in 6 months of submissions, so it isn't any more of a "vanity" site than DPC is.
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10/29/2003 08:28:53 AM · #9 |
Oh and the "..restrictive rules of dpc" are there to make you a better photographer. (by that i mean everyone) when I first joined this site I hated the rules, couldn't see the point in no editing etc.
But after getting over that, it makes you think more about the photograph, the lighting, the composition, the effects you want to add and how to achieve them, etc etc.
If it's a photoshop challenge your after there are quite a few around.
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10/29/2003 08:37:00 AM · #10 |
[quote=shareinnc]As for your derrogatory comments on the type of site, you may want to hold off on those. There are a lot of respected photographers HERE who enjoy posting on this site and are often featured on it as well. This is only my second featured photo there in 6 months of submissions, so it isn't any more of a "vanity" site than DPC is.
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No I don't want to hold off.
I don't have a clue what site your talking about so why are you getting so uptight?
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10/29/2003 08:42:22 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
I won't say where because it is my shadows II entry here, but as I've been saying for a while, dpc seems to be the one place that consistently tells me I suck. The same photo, done within the restrictive rules of dpc, is now a featured photo on another site where it has scored consistently well and gotten many positive and constructive comments. It is also displayed on another site where there is no ranking, but it has received 16 comments since I posted it...all positive and constructive.
Just thought I'd post this for those other photographers here who are disheartened by the voting here. DPC isn't the end all and be all and sometimes the voters aren't right.
Sorry for the early morning kvetch.
Shari |
If DPC says your photo sucks,it really does suck!We are the ultimate judges in digital photography,you like it or not!
So, prove me wrong here!
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10/29/2003 08:45:37 AM · #12 |
And finally Originally posted by shareinnc:
I don't know for sure why you are taking such a confrontational approach to my posting |
Well, you do post a lot of complaints in these forums about your image not doing well.
All taken from recent posts.
Originally posted by shareinnc:
Please. I'm begging the voters. Make some comments on why my light entry has barely touched a 4. It's not controversial. It does meet the challenge in an obvious way. So what is it that the voters hate? |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
Still not a single comment. Why do I even tourture myself with this site? |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
I'd love to know WHY my shot is sitting at a 3.6. Zero comments. Everyone who kvetches about these "why isn't my score higher" type of discussions always says: "But this site is about learning. Don't worry about the score." Without any comments, all I'm learning is that I shouldn't have bothered to come back to enter another photo in order for the voters here to tell me I suck.
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And of course this one, where you say voters are wrong, and they tell you that you suck. (your words not mine)
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10/29/2003 09:07:21 AM · #13 |
forget it
Message edited by author 2003-10-29 09:54:39. |
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10/29/2003 09:17:04 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Oh and the "..restrictive rules of dpc" are there to make you a better photographer. (by that i mean everyone) when I first joined this site I hated the rules, couldn't see the point in no editing etc.
But after getting over that, it makes you think more about the photograph, the lighting, the composition, the effects you want to add and how to achieve them, etc etc.
If it's a photoshop challenge your after there are quite a few around. |
I never said I wanted a photoshop challenge. I put that bit in about the "restrictive rules" so that folks would know I didn't change the entry for the other site.
I will admit to being one of the proponents of lifting some of the restrictions, but just because I feel that way doesn't mean I want to create digital art.
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10/29/2003 09:18:54 AM · #15 |
Thanks JC, but could you please remove the reference to the photo...I purposely have refrained from mentioning what the photo was of because the voting is still going on.
Message edited by author 2003-10-29 09:20:13.
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10/29/2003 09:25:28 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
All taken from recent posts.
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Actually, those were all taken from the SAME posting. I'm sorry. I was unaware that it was a problem to ask for comments on a photo that wasn't doing well. I never said that shot was great. I just wanted to know what the voters DIDN'T like about it. Heaven forbid I should want to learn...wait, isn't that why most people here profess to be here?
I've said before that I find DPC frustrating because it is the only place my photos consistently do poorly. I posted this thread this morning because once again another resource showed me that sometimes DPC voters are far more harsh than just about any other artistic outlet.
I never claimed my photo was ribbon quality. Based on what I saw when I was working through the voting, I am sure it isn't. I just find it interesting that in other venues the EXACT (hence the mention of the editing rules) photo does exponentially better.
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10/29/2003 09:30:33 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
Originally posted by jonpink:
All taken from recent posts.
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Actually, those were all taken from the SAME posting. I'm sorry. I was unaware that it was a problem to ask for comments on a photo that wasn't doing well. I never said that shot was great. I just wanted to know what the voters DIDN'T like about it. Heaven forbid I should want to learn...wait, isn't that why most people here profess to be here?
I've said before that I find DPC frustrating because it is the only place my photos consistently do poorly. I posted this thread this morning because once again another resource showed me that sometimes DPC voters are far more harsh than just about any other artistic outlet.
I never claimed my photo was ribbon quality. Based on what I saw when I was working through the voting, I am sure it isn't. I just find it interesting that in other venues the EXACT (hence the mention of the editing rules) photo does exponentially better. |
Maybe you should try to change YOURS approach to photography instead of trying to change DPC users?!
I don't have any of your photos on my favorite list because they are not getting better,instead of winning try to pick up some ideas from others! |
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10/29/2003 09:35:24 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Maybe you should try to change YOURS approach to photography instead of trying to change DPC users?!
I don't have any of your photos on my favorite list because they are not getting better,instead of winning try to pick up some ideas from others! |
I personally don't care who you do or don't have in your favorite list pits. If you want to get petty, I don't have any of your photos in my favorites because I don't like your photos...gee that was helpful wasn't it.
As for the last comment, guess what...this particular photo actually is a technique I learned from a fellow DPCer, so there goes that theory too.
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10/29/2003 09:37:12 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Maybe you should try to change YOURS approach to photography instead of trying to change DPC users?!
I don't have any of your photos on my favorite list because they are not getting better,instead of winning try to pick up some ideas from others! |
I personally don't care who you do or don't have in your favorite list pits. If you want to get petty, I don't have any of your photos in my favorites because I don't like your photos...gee that was helpful wasn't it.
As for the last comment, guess what...this particular photo actually is a technique I learned from a fellow DPCer, so there goes that theory too. |
I see,DPC photos suck for you ,you found 2 good ones out of 45000 here :-) |
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10/29/2003 09:38:44 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
I see,DPC photos suck for you ,you found 2 good ones out of 45000 here :-) |
No, actually I just don't use the favorite thing very much. I was being facetious in the last post.
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10/29/2003 09:41:03 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by shareinnc:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
I see,DPC photos suck for you ,you found 2 good ones out of 45000 here :-) |
No, actually I just don't use the favorite thing very much. I was being facetious in the last post. |
Well,that how you learn,get favorite and try to make better one! |
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10/29/2003 09:44:36 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by shareinnc:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
I see,DPC photos suck for you ,you found 2 good ones out of 45000 here :-) |
No, actually I just don't use the favorite thing very much. I was being facetious in the last post. |
Well,that how you learn,get favorite and try to make better one! |
Actually, I believe my photography gets better when I get out of the house, away from the computer and shoot photos. I prefer to shoot what interests me rather than "copying" what someone else has already done.
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10/29/2003 09:45:56 AM · #23 |
Pitsaman, the size of a favorites list doesn't really affect the validity of someone's opinion, although I know you like to think that.
And it's true, photos are going to fare differently on different sites. I'm sure a large part of that is due to the challenge aspect of the site, both having to fit voters' idea of a challenge and competing against 250+ photos on the same topic. It's also because different audiences just respond differently. And shareinnc is right, just bceause you don't do well here, don't nessarily mean you ought to hang up the camera for life or make your main goal sucess on DPC...it's a great site but it's not the definitive source. I'm glad to see you aren't getting discouraged, shareinnc. Good luck.
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10/29/2003 09:46:44 AM · #24 |
| Yeah,just get your gun and do some shooting outside,that is the best! |
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10/29/2003 09:50:07 AM · #25 |
Actually, those were all taken from the SAME posting
No, no no learn to count. They were taken from 2/3 posts...tsk tsk
And, Oh my god you even have it on your profile!!!!!!!!!!!
"Besides, I am kind of tired of taking time and effort and putting myself into my photography only to have the voters tell me I suck. I don't, and I no longer need the validation of the voters here."
I feel you keep posting these, "I suck" posts, because your trying to find someone to reassure you of your worth and this is a direct attempt at self-gratification.
Perhaps if you posted in a nicer way - please critique this image //xxxxx... - and said it in a better way, many people will help and advise on your images.
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