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04/19/2008 01:48:57 AM · #1 |
| I'm a fast typer , up to 50+ words a minute on a good day and I still find it hard to comment on a complete challenge. I'm going through the water challenge now and finding my comments are getting longer and longer. I don't want to leave a one or two word comment. I'm trying to make them constructive and helpful. But I still have a long ways to go by Sunday night. Hope I make it. |
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04/19/2008 02:18:43 AM · #2 |
| There are a lot of photos in the Water challenge, it's going to take a while. Typically it takes me 1.5-2 hours per 100 photos. It helps to break it up into 50 photo chunks so my comments don't deteriorate. :) |
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04/19/2008 08:58:10 AM · #3 |
When I did 100% on the panning challenge, only 128 entries, it took me FOREVER, several hours spread over the week. The trouble for me wasn't typing, it was the amount of time I took looking at the pictures and choosing how to word critiques/compliments. I'm also new enough to all of this that, while I see things fairly fast, the right words don't hit me immediately and I'm probably too wordy (like this post is getting), so commenting has been a great ongoing learning experience for me in that sense.
Actually, it went more quickly in the upper portion of pictures since I was mainly commenting on obvious elements I liked, although I did like to linger on some of those really nice shots. The lower ranked pictures, however, were long and tedious because I wanted to be considerate, detailed, accurate, and helpful, so my comments were longer and took more thinking time. By the end (I'll do this earlier next time) there were certain critiques/suggestions that many of the shots had in common, so I created a little text file on the side with a few comments that I could select and quickly paste in. So, I might paste in the most common DNMC criticism, "The panning effect is too subtle for me. Try a longer shutter to accentuate the feeling of motion." and then I might add a complimentary comment specific to that picture. Unfortunately, I didn't think to do this until almost the end of commenting so I probably only saved a couple of minutes. |
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04/19/2008 09:44:42 AM · #4 |
I have dialup, so 100% is just not realistic for me.....plus I have a teenager, a job, and a life.
I'd rather leave a few quality comments than blast through and give one or two word banalities.
I also try and make myself do at least 25% of the comments I leave be on ones I'd rather chicken out on 'cause they're hard work.
I figure it's a "What goes around, comes around." kind of thing......8>)
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04/19/2008 10:56:18 AM · #5 |
Yea it's not easy. I find myself studding the photograph a while before commenting (a good thing). I don't want to leave a one or two word comment because I don't feel that serves any purpose. I'm really trying to be constructive to the photographer in an attempt to help. I know my opinions may not be viewed as helpful by some but at-least I took the time to study the photograph and give an opinion. [does that make sense :)].
I have reevaluated my though process over the last few weeks. I feel voting + commenting on as may entries as time allows is better than voting only. I just hope to have time to make it through all the entries.
I don't thumbnail jump, so whatever shows up next after I comment and place my vote - thats the next image I comment and vote on. I'm being a little hard when commenting (in a good way) because I want the photographer to know what I feel as a viewer/voter. I just hope people understand that I'm trying to be helpful not hurtful. And my comments come after considerable time viewing their photograph. |
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04/19/2008 11:12:44 AM · #6 |
I've 100% commented a handful of challenges, but it is tough, for the same reasons as the other have stated. The time to examine a photo and think about why I really do or don't like it is the biggest chunk of time. The 5's are the hardest ones to comment on, but also the ones that are most in need of the feedback. ("Why is my masterpiece not doing a 6.5, like it should?") The poor entries will usually get lots of others leaving similar remarks, and of course, the fantastic ones will always get lots of comments, so I try to concentrate on the mid ground.
Rather than 100% commenting, I have taken to doing my 20% or so and trying to leave comments on all of those, so that is still commenting on 100% of what I have voted on. I have had to speed vote to get to my 20% on a couple of recent challenges, but I have still commented on about 1/2 of my votes.
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04/19/2008 11:17:23 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by SDW:
I just hope people understand that I'm trying to be helpful not hurtful. |
Those of us that have been here a while know it. The folks who are more easily insulted tend to not stay around.
On a related note, my daughter is competing here now.  hey_you_3000 I've given her considerable warnings to be prepared for harsh comments, and I realized this site has another benefit besides learning photography skills: You learn how to graciously accept and utilize constructive criticism. A very good skill to have.
Message edited by author 2008-04-19 11:18:19.
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04/19/2008 01:22:58 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by SDW:
...I find myself studding the photograph a while before commenting (a good thing). I don't want to leave a one or two word comment because I don't feel that serves any purpose. I'm really trying to be constructive to the photographer in an attempt to help. I know my opinions may not be viewed as helpful by some but at-least I took the time to study the photograph and give an opinion. [does that make sense :)].
I have reevaluated my though process over the last few weeks. I feel voting + commenting on as may entries as time allows is better than voting only. I just hope to have time to make it through all the entries.
I don't thumbnail jump, so whatever shows up next after I comment and place my vote - thats the next image I comment and vote on. I'm being a little hard when commenting (in a good way) because I want the photographer to know what I feel as a viewer/voter. I just hope people understand that I'm trying to be helpful not hurtful. And my comments come after considerable time viewing their photograph. |
Yes, it makes perfect sense, but why feel pressured to complete 100%. I think it is better to do what you're doing, and to do it well, rather than leaving an impressive number of comments lacking the quality and utility they could have. |
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04/19/2008 02:01:16 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I think it is better to do what you're doing, and to do it well, rather than leaving an impressive number of comments lacking the quality and utility they could have. |
Agreed. It's fun to challenge yourself now and then (when you have the time) to do 100%, but a lesser amount of useful comments will be better than 250 variations of "nice shot".
I guess I am more inclined to do heavy commenting when the subject is of more interest to me. My own 100% comments were on two humorous challenges and another that was an appealing subject for me. I'm actually sitting out of voting on the paranormal challenge. Even though I have an entry, it is not a subject that is of huge interest to me and I am not sure I could evaluate the entries fairly.
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04/19/2008 04:35:49 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Yes, it makes perfect sense, but why feel pressured to complete 100%. I think it is better to do what you're doing, and to do it well, rather than leaving an impressive number of comments lacking the quality and utility they could have. |
AMEN!! |
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04/19/2008 04:37:20 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by SDW:
...I find myself studding the photograph a while before commenting (a good thing). I don't want to leave a one or two word comment because I don't feel that serves any purpose. I'm really trying to be constructive to the photographer in an attempt to help. I know my opinions may not be viewed as helpful by some but at-least I took the time to study the photograph and give an opinion. [does that make sense :)].
I have reevaluated my though process over the last few weeks. I feel voting + commenting on as may entries as time allows is better than voting only. I just hope to have time to make it through all the entries.
I don't thumbnail jump, so whatever shows up next after I comment and place my vote - thats the next image I comment and vote on. I'm being a little hard when commenting (in a good way) because I want the photographer to know what I feel as a viewer/voter. I just hope people understand that I'm trying to be helpful not hurtful. And my comments come after considerable time viewing their photograph. |
Yes, it makes perfect sense, but why feel pressured to complete 100%. I think it is better to do what you're doing, and to do it well, rather than leaving an impressive number of comments lacking the quality and utility they could have. |
You right! and I will be lucky to leave 50% comments. But I hope that 50% help in some way to the photographers. |
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04/19/2008 04:57:34 PM · #12 |
Many DPC users (if not all) should do this at least once, it is valuable insight into the core of DPC (the Challenges anyway). It is an excellent way to learn, not only about photography, but also your own likes/dislikes, how to 'express' and by default, a little lesson about 'honesty'.
Lastly, you end up justifying your vote, which is good for the brain and conscience.
All that said - don't do it unless you want to.
edit: to add - you don't need to comment 100% to gain what I mentioned above, but it does take it to a different level
Message edited by author 2008-04-19 19:29:37. |
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04/19/2008 07:18:59 PM · #13 |
I had just completed 100% of voting for centered challenge. 375 votes. I would vote on about 50 photos every night for about the entire week.
Let me tell you that I felt so complete afterwards. I really tried to write details for people as to what I like and disliked about their photo.
I think it is nice to hear constructive criticism. And the responses to it were grateful considerate thank you notes.
I agree that everyone should do it once a month or ever other month if they can. People on this site really need that constructive criticism to get better- even if sometimes they don't want to hear it. That's why I think people need to try to encourage rather than discourage with their comments.
okay- now where do would I find my 100% image for 300+ entries?... What- you think I did it for nothing :) lol
Message edited by author 2008-04-19 19:20:15. |
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04/19/2008 07:40:48 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Yes, it makes perfect sense, but why feel pressured to complete 100%. I think it is better to do what you're doing, and to do it well, rather than leaving an impressive number of comments lacking the quality and utility they could have. |
I still intend to occasionally challenge myself to comment 100% (when I have the time to burn since I simply have no life aside from DPC... well except for work, and family and friends... but that doesn't matter). I don't believe quantity and quality have to be mutually exclusive, otherwise I wouldn't bother. By doing 100% it has forced me to comment on pictures I was not as comfortable commenting on and I learned a great deal by having to form the words to describe my impression of those photos (and I hope it was helpful to the photographers also).
If people want a virtual award for 100% comments so badly that they waste their time finding new variations on "nice shot" without thinking about the shots, that is their problem. Well, I suppose it's also a problem for anyone who feels too much of their time has been wasted by reading "nice shot", but it doesn't really bother me all that much to recieve thoughtless positive reactions. |
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04/19/2008 07:47:56 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by LaMas:
I had just completed 100% of voting for centered challenge. 375 votes. ........
....okay- now where do would I find my 100% image for 300+ entries?... |
Voting 100% and commenting 100% are quite different. Both are good endeavours, but I think this thread is about the 'effort' required to comment 100%.
Apologies in advance if I misunderstood.
I think the little 'image' you speak of only pertains to comments. Judi has some here (not sure about others).
Perhaps (and this has been discussed before) the introduction of site icons/recognition for voting and comments would be a good thing... although I'm sure someone will come up with reasons not to do it.
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04/19/2008 08:04:18 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by JMart:
By doing 100% it has forced me to comment on pictures I was not as comfortable commenting on and I learned a great deal by having to form the words to describe my impression of those photos |
I agree with this. That is probably one of the biggest reasons to comment on 100%. If I decide I'm just going to comment on some portion I end up skipping the ones that are hard to comment and probably the ones that need comments the most. |
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04/19/2008 09:22:05 PM · #17 |
Commenting on the ones that are difficult can be the strongest learning experience here.
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04/19/2008 11:52:05 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by macrothing:
Voting 100% and commenting 100% are quite different. Both are good endeavours, but I think this thread is about the 'effort' required to comment 100%.
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My apologies, thank you for catching that typing disaster- it might have gone on misunderstood by everyone- but I meant to say 100% quality commenting on photos not just voting. Any shlum can 100% vote- but to give good quality feedback is another thing. I did give a good effort I hope in helping people along their way with my comments and my votes.
Message edited by author 2008-04-19 23:53:29. |
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