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04/16/2008 10:55:23 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
It is interesting to point out that is seems to be an epidemic, or a huge coincidence that our children, of all ages, are being treated for ADD, and for childhood depression.
Is it just me, or has something made our children more depressed, or behaviorally challenged?
Is it the video game? Plastic leaching into our bodies from water containers? or the pharmaceutical soup in the water? or the chemicals in our foods? or is it just that we are afraid to take a strap to our kids when they need it? |
All the above, and a major lack of hugs. |
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04/16/2008 11:11:44 PM · #27 |
| Most kids with "Attention Deficit Disorder" are suffering from a deficit of attention. |
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04/16/2008 11:14:43 PM · #28 |
| Billy Gardell (comedy central) on having kids. Not for humor impared. |
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04/16/2008 11:20:22 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by awpollard:
Billy Gardell (comedy central) on having kids. Not for humor impared. |
Oh yeah....the misplaced hammer...brings back memories. I hated the apple tree. They produced some of the best switches.
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04/17/2008 05:56:02 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
I hated the apple tree. They produced some of the best switches. |
I hated Hot Wheelâ„¢ tracks |
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04/17/2008 06:32:34 AM · #31 |
| Hmmmm, I woder what are those kids of 30 years ago doing now? Aren't they making the rules today? |
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04/17/2008 06:36:45 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by gjumi:
Hmmmm, I woder what are those kids of 30 years ago doing now? Aren't they making the rules today? |
Nope. It's aging hippies. ;-) |
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04/17/2008 07:10:57 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
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Scenario: Jeffrey will not be still in class, disrupts other students.
1977 - Jeffrey is sent to office and given a good paddling by the principal. He returns to class, sits still, and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is diagnosed with ADD and given huge doses of Ritalin; becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a learning disability.
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Some schools will tolerate only one example of what they call ADD behavior from a child. Then it's off to a doctor of THEIR CHOOSING! You don't like it, you have your kid thrown out of school. Some of these poor kids end up on as many as 8 different meds and end up taking much worse as adults. All because teachers were afraid to properly correct a child's behavior. I've seen PEER REVIEWED papers showing that as many as 80 percent of children diagnosed with ADD have nothing wron g with them. We're in the process of destroying the second generation of these kids.
The examples from the OP were carefully constructed to elicit responses from both sides of the issues listed. That helps bring about a discussion where both sides can learn. And Old codgers like the OP and myself can pine away for the good ol days! LOL. |
It is interesting to point out that is seems to be an epidemic, or a huge coincidence that our children, of all ages, are being treated for ADD, and for childhood depression.
Is it just me, or has something made our children more depressed, or behaviorally challenged?
Is it the video game? Plastic leaching into our bodies from water containers? or the pharmaceutical soup in the water? or the chemicals in our foods? or is it just that we are afraid to take a strap to our kids when they need it? |
It's none of those things. It's the parents, pharmaceutical companies, school administrators and doctor's faults. The kids are the same as they have always been. Both parents work in today's family. Who wants to handle a hyper-active kid who needs attention? Not the tired overworked parents or the tired overworked teachers that's for sure so what do you do. Well, there was this commercial on TV that said this tiny little pill will solve my kids hyperactivity and let me live my life like I want so....
30 years ago medicine wasn't advertised on national prime time TV. Today people want results fast and easy and a pill provides this, it is believed. Pure BS. |
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04/17/2008 07:55:59 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
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Scenario: Jeffrey will not be still in class, disrupts other students.
1977 - Jeffrey is sent to office and given a good paddling by the principal. He returns to class, sits still, and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is diagnosed with ADD and given huge doses of Ritalin; becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a learning disability.
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Some schools will tolerate only one example of what they call ADD behavior from a child. Then it's off to a doctor of THEIR CHOOSING! You don't like it, you have your kid thrown out of school. Some of these poor kids end up on as many as 8 different meds and end up taking much worse as adults. All because teachers were afraid to properly correct a child's behavior. I've seen PEER REVIEWED papers showing that as many as 80 percent of children diagnosed with ADD have nothing wron g with them. We're in the process of destroying the second generation of these kids.
The examples from the OP were carefully constructed to elicit responses from both sides of the issues listed. That helps bring about a discussion where both sides can learn. And Old codgers like the OP and myself can pine away for the good ol days! LOL. |
It is interesting to point out that is seems to be an epidemic, or a huge coincidence that our children, of all ages, are being treated for ADD, and for childhood depression.
Is it just me, or has something made our children more depressed, or behaviorally challenged?
Is it the video game? Plastic leaching into our bodies from water containers? or the pharmaceutical soup in the water? or the chemicals in our foods? or is it just that we are afraid to take a strap to our kids when they need it? |
It's none of those things. It's the parents, pharmaceutical companies, school administrators and doctor's faults. The kids are the same as they have always been. Both parents work in today's family. Who wants to handle a hyper-active kid who needs attention? Not the tired overworked parents or the tired overworked teachers that's for sure so what do you do. Well, there was this commercial on TV that said this tiny little pill will solve my kids hyperactivity and let me live my life like I want so....
30 years ago medicine wasn't advertised on national prime time TV. Today people want results fast and easy and a pill provides this, it is believed. Pure BS. |
I resent this. I love how people are so quick to judge things that they probably have no first hand knowledge of. How many of you that have chimed in about this one actually have a kid that is ADHD? How many of you have spent sleepless nights because your child is so hyperactive that they don't sleep? Do you know what it does to a child to get about 20 hours sleep in a week total? How many of you have cried in frustration after spending 6 hours on about 10 minutes worth of homework because you can't get your child to concentrate for longer than 5 seconds at a time? How many of you have a child who has been suspended in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd grade because of disruptive/inappropriate behavior? I spent the first 4 years of my child's school life in denial, and I'm an at home parent so that's not the problem. My child has been on medication for less than 1 month, the change is positive in all areas. It's a god send. He can do his classwork now, he can do his homework now. He can even sit down and play a video game for more than 2 minutes. The violent outbursts and temper tantrums have stopped. And guess what, he's NOT a zombie. He plays, he rides his bike, he goes to cubscouts and he's started to make friends (something he was completely incapable of doing before). He actually sleeps 7/8 hours a night now. It is an illness, no different from your child having any other disease. Do you blame the parents for children who are born with any other disease?
This is from an article from Family Doctor...
What causes ADHD?
Children who have ADHD do not make enough chemicals in key areas in the brain that are responsible for organizing thought. Without enough of these chemicals, the organizing centers of the brain don't work well.
Things that don't cause ADHD:
Bad parenting (though a disorganized home life and school environment can make symptoms worse)
Too much sugar
Too little sugar
Aspartame (brand name: Nutrasweet)
Food additives or colorings
Food allergies or other allergies
Lack of vitamins
Fluorescent lights
Too much TV
Video games
Family Doctor on ADHD |
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04/17/2008 08:10:31 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by JMart:
Yes, many of those inflated examples strike at some frustration about society, but most of those are not nearly as black & white as portrayed in those "examples". |
So true. It's fun reading, but anyone who takes it seriously has a bigger problem than the kids and teachers in the examples. ;-)
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04/17/2008 09:27:00 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by mark_u_U:
Originally posted by JMart:
Yes, many of those inflated examples strike at some frustration about society, but most of those are not nearly as black & white as portrayed in those "examples". |
So true. It's fun reading, but anyone who takes it seriously has a bigger problem than the kids and teachers in the examples. ;-) |
The same can be said for those people that hold a blind eye to the examples and refuse to acknowledge that our American society has always gone from one extreme to another due to technologies, time, medicine, education, ect., ect., ect.,.
The examples may be long on reality, but they do produce a driving blow to some truths that identifies the formation of the American social value.
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04/17/2008 09:33:59 AM · #37 |
Thank you  Kelli.
I too have a child with ADHD at home. I am also a teacher. Many of you speak from a really ignorant stand point. I understand that it can be over diagnosed, and that some parents are quick to get their kids on meds to subvert other problems.
HOWEVER. ADHD is VERY real and medication does work. If the medication zombifies a kid, then it is the wrong medication or wrong dose. The first medication we tried out for my daughter didn't work right.... It helped her focus, but gave her the jitters. We canned it immediately. Now the meds she is on work tremendously well. She is succeeding more, doing better on tests, finishing homework quicker, and better, and her self esteem is going up.
thirty years ago it wasn't diagnosed. However if you were able to go back and look at those who had ADHD 30 years ago I'd bet that many have lower self esteem, still have trouble reading and focusing, and probably weren't able to get a college degree or be even successful in high school (not to claim a degree is an end all be all). I have met adults like this, and they know that school would have probably been easier or at least better for them with meds, or at least the knowledge that they learned differently. |
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04/17/2008 10:22:09 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by tpbremer:
Thank you Kelli.
I too have a child with ADHD at home. I am also a teacher. Many of you speak from a really ignorant stand point. I understand that it can be over diagnosed, and that some parents are quick to get their kids on meds to subvert other problems.
HOWEVER. ADHD is VERY real and medication does work. If the medication zombifies a kid, then it is the wrong medication or wrong dose. The first medication we tried out for my daughter didn't work right.... It helped her focus, but gave her the jitters. We canned it immediately. Now the meds she is on work tremendously well. She is succeeding more, doing better on tests, finishing homework quicker, and better, and her self esteem is going up.
thirty years ago it wasn't diagnosed. However if you were able to go back and look at those who had ADHD 30 years ago I'd bet that many have lower self esteem, still have trouble reading and focusing, and probably weren't able to get a college degree or be even successful in high school (not to claim a degree is an end all be all). I have met adults like this, and they know that school would have probably been easier or at least better for them with meds, or at least the knowledge that they learned differently. |
In almost 14 years of education, I can honestly say that of all the kids I taught that were medicated, *maybe* 10 truly needed it. ADD/ADHD is very, very real, and can be very trying for all involved -- students, parents and teachers (and others), as Kelli described. But, I do feel it is over-diagnosed and children are over medicated.
Unfortunately, not all children diagnosed and medicated "fit" Kelli's description. (The ten referenced above did -- and more).
I've seen children at home who liked to walk around while they were learning. They could still absorb the information, and use it appropriately, but they just could not sit still. The solution? Put him on medicine.
I've seen little boys and girls acting like little boys and girls (more boys, than girls, to be honest), and because the teacher didn't want to get to the root of the problem, and the parents were tired of dealing with it, they medicated.
YES, there are some kids who need it. Just like there are diabetics who need insulin, people with allergies who need shots, etc.
But, there are other issues as well.
I don't have a problem with prescribing medicine if you have ruled out all other agents first. Allergies to certain foods and ingredients can cause some ADHD/ADD behaviors. Problems in the child's life can cause some acting out that mimics ADD/ADHD behaviors. Learning Difficulties (popularly called learning disabilities) can cause some of the ADHD/ADD behaviors. It isn't always the parents, but it isn't always ADD/ADHD either.
Why is it more prevalent now than 30 years ago? Same reason LD and autism is. They have a name now.
True story --
At my first teaching job, at a very, very rural school, there was this fifth grader who decided he was ADD because he just couldn't pay attention and he had a hard time focusing. No matter how much the teacher told him he was doing fine and no matter how much the mom or doctor told him he did not have ADD, he insisted he did. Finally, the doctor "prescribed" a vitamin that looked a lot like a ritalin tablet. Every day before school and at lunch, he took his "medicine." The only behavior that changed was that he stopped insisting that he needed ritalin. There were SO MANY students medicated at this school, it truly did feel like teaching zombies, sometimes. It could also be noted that most of the students had the same pediatrician. The one with vitamins went to a pediatrician about an hour away, in a more urban area.
So, yes, it is real. And yes, the student is miserable and needs medicine sometimes.
However, I still think it is over-diagnosed in a lot of cases.
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04/17/2008 12:43:24 PM · #39 |
Kelli, I feel your pain as my only son has been diagnosed with childhood depression. For the past few years he has been medicated for his depression.
But, I have to have some sensibility twords Karmat experiences when it just seems as though our society looks for the easy way out, to put a band aid on a gusher instead of a permanent fix.
Karmat is correct in that now they have a name for what makes us tick. Today, if you don't walk straight, they have a pill for that. Well, to me sometimes because you don't walk straight might be what you are walking on. But, instead of investigating the true cause of your weird gate, they'll give you a pill and call it a day.
Then again, 30 years ago, they might of drilled a hole in your head to see if you bled a little, you might walk straight again.
Maybe, a placebo is all we need to make all of society walk the narrow path.
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