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 04/09/2008 06:28:37 PM · #1
Hello friends,

I just noticed that when I converted my last challenge entry in CS3 (which is somewhat new to me), the color went from a dark orange/red to a light orange yellow. I don't remember this happening when I had CS2.

I am using a PC
AdobeRGB
300dpi conversion in RAW
"As Shot"
Save as Jpg, full quality

Any idea why this is happening? I know RAW has more data, therefore more colors; but, this difference is pretty drastic - at least to my color-sensitive eyes.
 04/09/2008 06:44:07 PM · #2
are to converting to sRGB as a last step in the save process ( or just prior to saving ) ?

Message edited by author 2008-04-09 18:44:26.
 04/09/2008 07:01:55 PM · #3
I've had exactly the same issue.

I'm no expert, but here's my best crack at the solution.
When working in CS3, be sure to check "view - proof colors". Then go to "view - proof setup", and check "monitor RGB"..........this lets you see what you'll get, once you finally save it as a JPEG.

Let me know if that works..........otherwise I have some other suggestions.
 04/09/2008 08:13:11 PM · #4
Originally posted by Sinky:
I've had exactly the same issue.

I'm no expert, but here's my best crack at the solution.
When working in CS3, be sure to check "view - proof colors". Then go to "view - proof setup", and check "monitor RGB"..........this lets you see what you'll get, once you finally save it as a JPEG.

Let me know if that works..........otherwise I have some other suggestions.


We see this suggestion often. Truth is there is nothing less useful than submitting an image whose proof setup matches YOUR own monitor. All that means is that it will look better on YOUR monitor and monitors just like yours than it will look anywhere else. What you really want is for an image to look as good as it can on ALL monitors, not just yours.

The only time you ever need to reference "proof setup" is when you want to see what your image will look like on some device other than your own monitor... almost always that is a printer for printing. You NEVER should have to do it for any other purpose.

If your image looks one way on your monitor but a different way AFTER you upload it then 9 times out of 10 it is because you saved it in a color space OTHER than sRGB.

The way you achieve images looking CONSISTENT on ALL monitors is first to save your web graphic as sRGB. That is because web graphics are ALWAYS displayed assuming SRGB regardless of their original color space setting.

The other thing to do to make sure it looks like you want on other people's monitors and printers is to CALIBRATE your monitor. Only then does "proof setup" really mean anything in the first place. If your monitor is not properly calibrated from the get go then you don't stand a chance of having other monitors or printers displaying or printing what you see.

Yes, other people can and do have improperly calibrated monitors which means what they see is NOT what you see. The best you can do to deal with that is to check the RGB values of individual points such as (255,255,255) for pure white, (0,0,0) for pure black and other standard RGB values for standard or expected colors. Make sure they match those values and that is the best you can ever do.
 04/09/2008 08:28:05 PM · #5
I don't remember for sure when I first ran into this issue ... but I believe it coincided with the very first time I calibrated my monitor. From that point onward, I always have to hit CTRL-Y after I load an image into Photoshop. CTRL-Y switches the display to use your "proof" colors, and I have mine set to Monitor. The moment I hit CTRL-Y everything turns to normal. What I see in Photoshop is the same thing I see outside of Photoshop (ACDSee, Internet Explorer, Firefox) and a real close match to what I get on my printer.


04/09/2008 09:01:36 PM · #6
Originally posted by dwterry:
I don't remember for sure when I first ran into this issue ... but I believe it coincided with the very first time I calibrated my monitor. From that point onward, I always have to hit CTRL-Y after I load an image into Photoshop. CTRL-Y switches the display to use your "proof" colors, and I have mine set to Monitor. The moment I hit CTRL-Y everything turns to normal. What I see in Photoshop is the same thing I see outside of Photoshop (ACDSee, Internet Explorer, Firefox) and a real close match to what I get on my printer.


That is very interesting. It begs this question,"What do you have before you do CTRL-Y and why do you always have to do CTRL-Y in the first place?"

I use a windows machine on a hardware calibrated monitor. CTRL-Y is used to switch between my "proof setup" selected display and my monitor display. The only time I care to switch to "proof setup" is if I want to see what something will look like on a printer or display other than my monitor.

To me it sounds like you have something backwards if you always have to hit CTRL-Y after loading an image. You should never have to do that.

I'm confused. Where am I wrong?
 04/09/2008 09:06:06 PM · #7
I've had this issue since PS CS3 and the same in LR since it's the same RAW converter. After much searching and many Adobe forums there's not much you can do about it. Since Nikon and Canon won't give up their RAW data to 3rd parties, the RAW converters "guess" as best they can; some better than others. The adobe converter does have this issue while reading the red channel. I tried making a preset in LR but since it "guesses" every time, it's not consistent.

I still shoot RAW but I do tweak it if I see a serious issue.
 04/09/2008 10:53:09 PM · #8
Originally posted by Artifacts:
To me it sounds like you have something backwards if you always have to hit CTRL-Y after loading an image. You should never have to do that.

I'm confused. Where am I wrong?


I promise ... I didn't used to have to do it. And like I said, I think it coincided with when I first calibrated my monitor. Like ... as if doing so stuck something in my profile that says it's supposed to look a certain way. And from that time forward, when I first bring an image into Photoshop the colors are all off (especially the reds). But the moment I hit CTRL-Y (or click Proof Setup | Monitor) it switches back to normal.

It's been a couple of years now. CTRL-Y is so ingrained I just automatically hit it now....

I think GeneralE posted instructions on how to set up Photoshop so that it would default to this view, but I've long since forgotten.

04/10/2008 12:29:56 AM · #9
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by Artifacts:
To me it sounds like you have something backwards if you always have to hit CTRL-Y after loading an image. You should never have to do that.

I'm confused. Where am I wrong?


I promise ... I didn't used to have to do it. ...

That's a bummer! PS is supposed to default to your current monitor profile so you shouldn't have to do anything with "proof setup" under normal conditions. Maybe it is some crazy issue with CS3. I'm just using CS2.

My "proof setup" is set for my favorite Epson luster print paper so I only do CTRL-Y when I want to make final touchup work on a print. Do you have to change your "proof setup" to a printer/paper profile whenever you want to fine tune your print files?

I use a SpyderPro calibration tool and have not had any problems. Even the older model Spyder which created a new monitor profile with a different file name each time it ran did not cause a problem.
 04/10/2008 12:53:41 AM · #10
I used to have to switch between the printer profile and monitor profile. But I've gotten so used to what the print output looks like that I just leave it on the monitor profile now. The colors are pretty much dead on. The main difference I have to remember is that if it doesn't look bright on screen, it'll look dark when I print it. So the last thing I do before printing is lighten it up a little more than what looks good on screen (I use curves and just pull the third quadrant up a smidge and that does it).


04/10/2008 08:10:22 AM · #11
have you looked in the edit>color settings menu ?
might be you have some funky default color settings that are loading with PS, and you have the warning prompt turned off. ( warning for color profile mis-match ).

just a thought.

Originally posted by dwterry:
I don't remember for sure when I first ran into this issue ... but I believe it coincided with the very first time I calibrated my monitor. From that point onward, I always have to hit CTRL-Y after I load an image into Photoshop. CTRL-Y switches the display to use your "proof" colors, and I have mine set to Monitor. The moment I hit CTRL-Y everything turns to normal. What I see in Photoshop is the same thing I see outside of Photoshop (ACDSee, Internet Explorer, Firefox) and a real close match to what I get on my printer.

04/10/2008 11:47:14 AM · #12
I really think kosmikkreeper is dead on with this one... hmm. I guess I'll have to tweak.
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